News:

The staff at DTF wish to remind you all that a firm grasp of the rules of Yahtzee can save your life and the lives of your loved ones.  Be safe out there.

Main Menu

'Images and Words' in Loudwire's March Metal Madness

Started by Hayden, March 16, 2013, 11:04:30 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: theseoafs on March 20, 2013, 07:32:38 AM
Don't get me wrong, I've been known to throw on an AC/DC song every now and then.  But Back in Black isn't nearly in the same league as I&W.

Look, I definitely prefer IaW too, but Back In Black definitely deserves more credit than people in this thread are willing to give it. Sure, it's a simple and one dimensional hard rock album, but it does it damn well!

Podaar

#36
For me, Back in Black is a nostalgic tour de force and I actually quite like the music. It is certainly a landmark record in 80's rock history was the party sound-track for years. I had the vinyl way back when but I've never purchased it on CD because classic rock stations play the songs from the album enough that I don't need to.

That being said, it's not metal and it's not even close to Images and Words for something I would deliberately put on.

I did vote for Dio during the last round though. That is truly a landmark metal album and didn't deserve to loose to Images and Words.

LieLowTheWantedMan


jonnybaxy


Hayden

Well, it would appear our spamming abilities are having quite an effect on the race now.

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2013, 08:05:38 AMLook, I definitely prefer IaW too, but Back In Black definitely deserves more credit than people in this thread are willing to give it. Sure, it's a simple and one dimensional hard rock album, but it does it damn well!

I agree whole-heartedly. I think there's certainly a place for simplistic rock in the world of music, especially if it is done well, and AC/DC do it better than anybody. There's something inexplicably infectious about their music. Plenty of bands have tried to emulate AC/DC's style simply by following the structure, but they all fall short of the energy and memorability that is so predominant of albums like 'Back in Black'. I think it shows that there's more of an art to it than one initially realizes.

The Presence of Frenemies

Quote from: Hayden on March 20, 2013, 07:47:03 PM
I agree whole-heartedly. I think there's certainly a place for simplistic rock in the world of music, especially if it is done well, and AC/DC do it better than anybody. There's something inexplicably infectious about their music. Plenty of bands have tried to emulate AC/DC's style simply by following the structure, but they all fall short of the energy and memorability that is so predominant of albums like 'Back in Black'. I think it shows that there's more of an art to it than one initially realizes.

I think this is a great point. A couple of years ago, I went on a big glam/hair metal binge--another style that strives for infectiousness. What I realized was that for every band that actually made the relatively simple formula work, there were several that just couldn't get there, even though they clearly had the elements (big operatic singer, technically proficient guitarist, following song structure conventions) in place. You only appreciate the greats when you get a sense of what separates them from their imitators.

That said, while Back in Black is a nice album, it's a far cry from I & W's greatness in my eyes.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: The Presence of Frenemies on March 21, 2013, 12:58:10 AM
That said, while Back in Black is a nice album, it's a far cry from I & W's greatness in my eyes.

This. If Back In Black gets all the praise that it deserves, then Images And Words doesn't get even close to the amount of praise that it rightfully deserves.

Scorpion

Holy fuckballs this is far closer than I ever anticipated it being.


TheGreatPretender

Damn, that's amazing.

On another note, Judas Priest losing to Tool is freaking criminal.

Syzzle

Judas Priest losing to Tool, and AC/DC losing to DT has restored my faith in humanity.

BlobVanDam

Anybody losing to Tool has damaged what little faith I ever had in humanity.

SeRoX

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 21, 2013, 01:15:26 AM
Damn, that's amazing.

On another note, Judas Priest losing to Tool is freaking criminal.

Wow. This is just stupid.

Lolzeez

Quote from: Syzzle on March 21, 2013, 03:49:00 AM
Judas Priest losing to Tool, and AC/DC losing to DT has restored my faith in humanity.
Exactly.

ZirconBlue


Octavaripolis


BlobVanDam

Quote from: Octavaripolis on March 21, 2013, 05:31:40 AM
Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 20, 2013, 03:27:28 PM
Quote from: Pols Voice on March 20, 2013, 07:13:17 AM
AC/DC is a terrible, terrible band.
This x1000.

Let's fuck up some generic rock fans shall we fellas?  :metal

Lol I'd like to see a bunch of prog fans go ahead and try that.

MoraWintersoul

Why is everyone undermining Back In Black? Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not as important to the history of hard rock as IAW is to the history of progressive rock. I think it blows Back In Black out of the water, but that is just my opinion, influence is more or less a fact.

I would definitely vote for DT in that poll, on the account of the fact I would hardly call AC/DC metal but then a bunch of more experienced people would accuse me of revisionism because a lot of them totally did call it heavy metal back in the day.

What is amazing, though, that the poll is so close, since AC/DC is almost unanimously appreciated on the internet, and DT gets a lot of hate. I guess we're just that good at spam voting.

Cedar redaC


BlobVanDam

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 06:33:06 AM
What is amazing, though, that the poll is so close, since AC/DC is almost unanimously appreciated on the internet, and DT gets a lot of hate. I guess we're just that good at spam voting.

Darn tootin'. If there's one thing DTF can agree on, it's spamming the living hell out of any internet poll for DT. :lol

MoraWintersoul

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2013, 06:36:00 AM
Darn tootin'. If there's one thing DTF can agree on, it's spamming the living hell out of any internet poll for DT. :lol
Dream Theater fans: If it's important to DT, it's equally important to us. If it's not important to DT, it will suddenly become twice as important as it should be ;D

LieLowTheWantedMan

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 21, 2013, 01:15:26 AM
Damn, that's amazing.

On another note, Judas Priest losing to Tool is freaking wonderful.

LieLowTheWantedMan

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 06:33:06 AM
Why is everyone undermining Back In Black? Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not as important to the history of hard rock as IAW is to the history of progressive rock.
I don't think anyone said that. We just said it sucks. :D

BlobVanDam

Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 21, 2013, 07:24:25 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 06:33:06 AM
Why is everyone undermining Back In Black? Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not as important to the history of hard rock as IAW is to the history of progressive rock.
I don't think anyone said that. We just said it sucks. :D


?

Funny that these 2 albums are competing against each other - remember this?

It'll be interesting if Tool and DT get matched up at some point, since both bands have posted links to these polls on their FB pages and have devoted fans. It'd be the ultimate vote spamming contest! :lol

champbassist

Quote from: ? on March 21, 2013, 07:51:16 AM
Funny that these 2 albums are competing against each other - remember this?

It'll be interesting if Tool and DT get matched up at some point, since both bands have posted links to these polls on their FB pages and have devoted fans. It'd be the ultimate vote spamming contest! :lol

You just might get your wish in the next round if this keeps up.

The Stray Seed


TheGreatPretender

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 06:33:06 AM
I would definitely vote for DT in that poll, on the account of the fact I would hardly call AC/DC metal but then a bunch of more experienced people would accuse me of revisionism because a lot of them totally did call it heavy metal back in the day.

Well, regardless of what they called it back in the day, I honestly can't bring myself to hear a song like Highway To Hell, or TNT, or Thunderstruck and say, "This is Metal".

LieLowTheWantedMan

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2013, 07:39:41 AM
Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 21, 2013, 07:24:25 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 06:33:06 AM
Why is everyone undermining Back In Black? Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not as important to the history of hard rock as IAW is to the history of progressive rock.
I don't think anyone said that. We just said it sucks. :D


:lol

theseoafs

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 06:33:06 AM
Why is everyone undermining Back In Black? Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not as important to the history of hard rock as IAW is to the history of progressive rock. I think it blows Back In Black out of the water, but that is just my opinion, influence is more or less a fact.

Oh, no, BiB is far more popular and influential than I&W will ever be.  But I don't think that's the point of the poll.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: theseoafs on March 24, 2013, 08:48:54 AM
Oh, no, BiB is far more popular and influential than I&W will ever be.  But I don't think that's the point of the poll.

Well, by now, I think the point of the poll is, "Who's got the most determined fans?"

Hayden

I'm actually just finding this whole situation quite hilarious, really.

gentaishinigami

I think even the website is confused as to what they want the poll to be about.  They first ask which is the most influential metal album (and list a few non-metal albums >.>) then in the body of the post essentially say spam vote every hour to make sure your favorite album wins!  I guess both options could overlap for a minority but most people are likely to go with their favorite album. 

Either way, to me, I&W is the better album and at least categorically makes more sense in the poll than AC/DC does.  That, and DT is massively less known than AC/DC so I figure they could really use the win.  I'm pretty sure AC/DC would gain just about nothing from winning this little poll where DT may gain a tiny fraction of new listeners if they win (which is probably why they always try to get us to vote them to #1 in all internet polls).

AC/DC is like the official Iron Man movie band now or something so they will persevere.  XD

Ben_Jamin

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2013, 04:04:41 AM
Anybody losing to Tool has damaged what little faith I ever had in humanity.

You now understand how AC/DC. Fans feel.

These polls are funny.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: gentaishinigami on March 24, 2013, 09:50:38 AM
That, and DT is massively less known than AC/DC so I figure they could really use the win.

Yeah, but if anything, this could be a bad thing, because now all the AC/DC fanboys will be like, "Fucking Dream Theater, losing to AC/DC! That fucking piece of shit band! I'm never listening to DT and telling all my friends to hate it!"

gentaishinigami

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 24, 2013, 05:33:15 PM
Yeah, but if anything, this could be a bad thing, because now all the AC/DC fanboys will be like, "Fucking AC/DC, losing to Dream Theater?! That fucking piece of shit band! I'm never listening to DT and telling all my friends to hate it!"

FTFY =P 

All their friends would probably just say "who?" though so probably wouldn't much matter. ;_;