2009/10 WORLD TOUR DISCUSSION THREAD

[Mladen]

Thanks a lot. Makes sence. 

[perfey]

That's cool, I've always wondered that too.

[cyberdrummer]

2009-10-26 - Datchforum - Milan, ITA

1. A Nightmare To Remember
2. The Mirror
3. Lie
4. Prophets of War
5. Wither
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. One Last Time 
8. The Spirit Carries On
9. In The Name Of God
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10. The Count Of Tuscany

[SystematicThought]

Scenes From A Memory night. Good setlist. Would that be the most amount of songs they have played this tour for a set?

[cyberdrummer]

On ProgNation, yeah.

[Mladen]

Now THIS is the best one so far. 

[lah_hannibal]

2009-10-26 - Datchforum - Milan, ITA

1. A Nightmare To Remember
2. The Mirror
3. Lie
4. Prophets of War
5. Wither
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. One Last Time 
8. The Spirit Carries On
9. In The Name Of God
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10. The Count Of Tuscany

Why didn't the play such a long set at the other shows? 

[Nick]

Is it really that long? A good number of those songs aren't as long as many others which have been played this tour.

[Ultimetalhead]

I would have suffered through Prophets of War to see the rest of that unbelievable set.

[SilentFox]

I would have suffered through Prophets of War to see the rest of that unbelievable set.

Despite being a lame studio song, it is a lot of fun live.

[GuineaPig]

Is it really that long? A good number of those songs aren't as long as many others which have been played this tour.

My iTunes tells me 1:31 on the dot, so not really longer than the average set, no.

[Nick]

Well then, I actually saw two shows that were 10 minutes longer than that, even though that set had the most tracks played.

[73109]

I would have suffered through Prophets of War to see the rest of that unbelievable set.

Despite being a lame studio song, it is a lot of fun live.

This. It is pretty cool live, and is actually one of the stand out songs from the Philly show I saw.

[Perpetual Change]

I would have suffered through Prophets of War to see the rest of that unbelievable set.

Despite being a lame studio song, it is a lot of fun live.

This. It is pretty cool live, and is actually one of the stand out songs from the Philly show I saw.

You saw flawless Voices and Metropolis and Tuscany and PoW (where James messed up) was the stand out?

[ariich]

I would have suffered through Prophets of War to see the rest of that unbelievable set.

Despite being a lame studio song, it is a lot of fun live.

This. It is pretty cool live, and is actually one of the stand out songs from the Philly show I saw.

You saw flawless Voices and Metropolis and Tuscany and PoW (where James messed up) was the stand out?

It's a really fun song live. The others are far superior songs, but they're simply not FUN like PoW is.

[cyberdrummer]

2009-10-27 - Palalottomatica - Rome, ITA

1. A Nightmare to Remember
2. A Rite of Passage
3. Hollow Years (extended)
4. Erotomania
5. Voices
6. Forsaken
7. Take the Time
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8. The Count of Tuscany

[BlobVanDam]

That's a nice setlist.

[Nick]

That's a nice setlist.

[TAC]

It's amazing how short 90 minutes looks on paper.

[PlaysLikeMyung]

Which is why I really really want this headlining tour

[perfey]

No Metropolis?

[skydivingninja]

Does anyone else think it would be a better setlist move to switch The Count of Tuscany, now usually in the encore spot, with the song right before it, which is usually something like ITNOG, As I Am, or Take the Time, so that the older songs would be the encore?  I think part of what made my first DT concert so memorable was that Metropolis was the encore, and to see a classic DT song like that in the last spot was amazing.  TCOT's good, don't get me wrong, but I think an encore song should be something loved from the back catalogue.

[TAC]

Sky, I don't disagree with what you are saying, but if you were lucky enough to get ITNOG & TCOT in one show, it wouldn't matter what order they were played in.

DT has done this before, right, using ITNOG as the last song on most of the TOT tour.

[kefka]

Sky, I don't disagree with what you are saying, but if you were lucky enough to get ITNOG & TCOT in one show, it wouldn't matter what order they were played in.

DT has done this before, right, using ITNOG as the last song on most of the TOT tour.

in maryland, we got the return of ITNOG, and the encore of TCOT, and they worked really really well in their positions.  ITNOG is a fantastic song, but the encore of TCOT, particularly the end where everyone is singing, is a much better way to close the show.

[SilentFox]

I think that certain songs should be expected, such as ANtR, RoP, and TCoT, but I think it's best when the encore is a surprise.  My suggestion would be to keep ANtR and RoP as the top two, TCoT as the closer, and have the encore best something that changes frequently, instead of having a set encore.

[cyberdrummer]

It was best in 2005, when ITNOG was the closer for the first set in London. Then TSCO and LtL for the encore.

[Perpetual Change]

I've seen them both as closer and I've got to say that I think Metropolis left me with a better feeling at the end. Tuscany is great but it's best to end with a song that EVERYONE loves if you can. I'm sure 95% of DT fans love TCoT but everyone seems to think Metropolis is amazing.

[BlobVanDam]

I like having TCOT is the encore if just for the fact it's unexpected. It's so common to have the old favourite as the encore, but it's cool seeing them break the tradition and do something different.

[SilentFox]

I like having TCOT is the encore if just for the fact it's unexpected. It's so common to have the old favourite as the encore, but it's cool seeing them break the tradition and do something different.

Yes, that's true, they do break the tradition.  However, my point is that while it was unexpected at the beginning of PN09, it has become routine and predictable, save for a few shows that had other encores.  I think an encore historically is something that is supposed to be a surprise, not something that should be expected.  It would be interesting to see them mix it up more often.

[BlobVanDam]

Well the encore has not been a surprise for any band for a long time, because it's now obligatory rather than a true surprise.
Many bands play the same encore song, so I have no problem with them using the same song every show, I just think it's just cool that they're not following the standard, and it's also good to see them have so much faith in their newer material.

[SilentFox]

Speaking of encores, has they ever had a double encore?

[BlobVanDam]

Well they've played multiple songs as the encore, but I assume you mean play an encore, leave the stage, then come back again for a second encore? Not sure that they've ever done that, but hopefully someone can give a conclusive answer on that.

[SilentFox]

Yeah.

[cyberdrummer]

They did on several of the European TOT tour shows, including this one:

https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=733

Train of Thought World Tour - European Leg
1/17/2004  London, England

1.  As I Am
2.  Beyond This Life (w/ extended improv section)
3.  Endless Sacrifice
4.  Caught in a Web (w/ drum solo)
5.  This Dying Soul
6.  The Great Debate
7.  Finally Free
~~~intermission~~~
8.  piano solo/
9.  Death On Two Legs (Queen)
10.  Honor Thy Father
11.  Another Day
12.  Only a Matter of Time
A Mind Beside Itself:
13.  I Erotomania
14.  II Voices (abridged)
15.  III The Silent Man (electric version)
16.  In the Name of God
~~~1st encore~~~
17.  Trial of Tears
~~~2nd encore~~~
18.  Metropolis part 1

[cyberdrummer]

2009-10-29 - Future Show Station Arena - Bologna, ITA

1. A Nightmare To Remember
2. A Rite of Passage
3. Hollow Years (extended)
4. Erotomania
5. Voices
6. In the Name of God
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7. The Count of Tuscany