Most Difficult DT Passage?

[Prometheus]

What do you think is single most difficult instrumental passage that DT has created? I understand it's hard to choose one, but surely parts of The Dance, Outcry, Test That Stumped them All, Honor thy Father, Lost Not Forgotten (and many others), stand out to me as perhaps the most difficult.

I personally play bass and must admit that both the passage before the "don't cross the crooked step" in Honour and the ending Metropolis passage before the outro are two examples of passages that are extremely challenging to even attempt to play (although, as I said, there's bound to be countless examples of difficult passages).

Anyway, what say you? Most difficult DT passage you can think of?

[BlackInk]

I hear the unison in Blind Faith is tricky.

[Scorpion]

I hear the unison in Blind Faith is tricky.

Yeah, that's what comes to mind. Or the ITNOG instrumental.

[nattmorker]

The ending of The test that stumped them all!

[Scrub206]

Anna Le

[SomeoneLikeHim]

vacant

[Pols Voice]

Regression

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

cruficyyyyy

[Sycsa]

Jordan said Breaking All Illusions & Outcry. https://vyou.com/jcrudess/1276413/What-is-the-most-difficult-DT-passage-for-you-to-play-And-what-is-your-favorite

[Syzzle]

The Count of Tuscany,Breaking All Illusions and Outcry for sure.

[snapple]

cruficyyyyy

[Elite]

The Dance of Eternity DEFINITELY isn't the most difficult thing they've done. For me, as a guitarist, I'd say The Glass Prison (intro and instrumental section), the Blind Faith unison and the middle part in In the Name of God.

As for full songs being difficult to play, my vote goes to Stream of Consciousness.

[Ben_Jamin]

Mine is Ytsejam. after the drum solo is a fucking bitch.

[rumborak]

The Dance of Eternity DEFINITELY isn't the most difficult thing they've done.

Rhythmically yes. Playing-skill wise it's an ok song. The ITNOG legato section is waaayyyy harder to play.

As for full songs being difficult to play, my vote goes to Stream of Consciousness.

That one is actually pretty easy in the grander scheme of things.

rumborak

[Elite]

The Dance of Eternity DEFINITELY isn't the most difficult thing they've done.

Rhythmically yes. Playing-skill wise it's an ok song. The ITNOG legato section is waaayyyy harder to play.

As for full songs being difficult to play, my vote goes to Stream of Consciousness.

That one is actually pretty easy in the grander scheme of things.

rumborak

As I said, this comes from me as a guitarist. I can plat The Dance relatively easily, making no mistakes at all, whereas I can't do this with other DT songs. As far SoC, the amount of 'choke points' there is much higher than with other songs. While some other stuff is indeed more difficult than the stuff in SoC, as a whole SoC has more difficult parts than orher songs.

[Prometheus]

Luckily for us bassists Stream is somewhat of a cakewalk, relatively speaking, of course.

[ResultsMayVary]

I hear the unison in Blind Faith is tricky.

Definitely. Its very tricky.

[emblempride]

I don't think JP has ever perfectly nailed the SoC solo live, so I'd say that, if only for that sweep picking part, for guitar.

[chrisbDTM]

legato unison in ITNOG. if JP or JR even hiccup a little it would be ruined

[Mosh]

Lost Not Forgotten's "tickle section" is by far the hardest thing I've attempted by DT. And I've learned most of their stuff. I can't even come close to being able to play that bit. It's insane.

[YtseJamittaja]

JP said that The Glass Prison's arpeggios are the most difficult for him. It was before ADTOE though.

[Ruba]

As for full songs being difficult to play, my vote goes to Stream of Consciousness.

That one is actually pretty easy in the grander scheme of things.

rumborak

Yep, even I can play it with guitar. But not the main solo  .

The most difficult? Probably The Glass Prison intro solo. But I usually play the rhythm guitar.

[Elite]

As for full songs being difficult to play, my vote goes to Stream of Consciousness.

That one is actually pretty easy in the grander scheme of things.

rumborak

Yep, even I can play it with guitar. But not the main solo  .

The most difficult? Probably The Glass Prison intro solo. But I usually play the rhythm guitar.

Yeah, well the same goes for me here, with both. But as a whole, SoC also has more difficult stuff than The Glass Prison, whereas TGP 'only' has the difficult intro. There's also a very small section of the guitar solo in TGP that I can never get down, but to me SoC is more difficult.

Let me add to other things to this guitarists' discussion; the guitar solos in Home and Fatal Tragedy. Also difficult, due to sheer speed.

[chrisbDTM]

the reason why that TGP intro solo is so hard is cause it's all picked, not swept

[Elite]

the reason why that TGP intro solo is so hard is cause it's all picked, not swept

I know this, though it's hard to sweep it as well.

[Western Ninja]

As a bassist, playing the entirety of TGP in one sitting is fucking painful for both hands, and that outro is virtually imposssible for me to hit every note because I'm just so damn tired.
Sixteenth notes, sixteenth notes everywhere.

[Elite]

Endurance wise, The Glass Prison is probably the most difficult for guitar too.

[Naikon]

the glass prison is such a badass motherfucking song

[snapple]

the glass prison is such a badass motherfucking song

IT IS THE BEST THEM 

[The Letter M]

Most Difficult DT Passage?

"A Rite Of Passage"







Seriously, though, probably "Fatal Tragedy", "Home", "The Dance Of Eternity", "The Glass Prison", parts of SDOIT, and "Outcry" and "Breaking All Illusions' are all definitely up there.

-Marc.

[FsF]

Another bassist here, but I haven't tried playing anything off ADTOE, so can't speak for anything off that.  Aside from solos, i'd probably go with 5:13 to 5:43 in The Dance Of Eternity, the intro / ending to The Test That Stuped Them All (I feel faint just looking at the tab) and the 2nd verse in Pull Me Under. Who would've thought their biggest chart smash would be one of the hardest to play...

I also have in-ordinate difficulty playing the sections at 1:29 in TDOE and 3:50 in Ytse Jam, although I do suck at arpeggiated stuff, so that could explain it.

[Jay.Ess]

As a guitarist, i'd say The Glass Prison arpeggios. Sweeping those arpeggios isn't too difficult, alternate picking them however...

[Sean Ashe]

Speaking on guitar:

Glass Prison Arpeggios for sure.  To play them CORRECTLY that is.  Every note alternate picked, at 170bpm for the amount of time they do it.  Its the technique (lots of inside picking) combined with endurance which kills.  Also with the fact you have to be SPOT ON with timing of your left hand.   The Constant Motion solo is also one of the hardest, with the various sections that use many different techniques, and the extremely fast sweep sequences at the end are just killer.

The Lost Not Forgotten section is most definitely not the hardest thing by DT, it just sounds hard, once you have the notes down it's just another exercise :/

Breaking All Illusions isn't bad for guitar, in my opinion.  That's one of the few DT songs I learned by ear w/ zero help from tab. 

[Cable]

2nd verse in Pull Me Under. Who would've thought their biggest chart smash would be one of the hardest to play...

Thank you FsF for finally being the friggin person to say this! I have heard from many that PMU is an "easy" song, even on bass. No, that ascending scale-type riff before the pre-chorus solo/section is very hard. Sure, there are some parts of the song that are not too hard. But that part is a bitch, considering how it starts out lower and requires some stretches that match JP's.

Really, I think it is unfair to call any DT song easy. Even something like Regression has a stupid hard, awkward chord.  Yes, some parts of songs are easy in comparison. But there are so many songs where one part may be ridiculous, making playing the whole thing incomplete.

PMU is that example I think.

[Elite]

2nd verse in Pull Me Under. Who would've thought their biggest chart smash would be one of the hardest to play...

Thank you FsF for finally being the friggin person to say this! I have heard from many that PMU is an "easy" song, even on bass. No, that ascending scale-type riff before the pre-chorus solo/section is very hard. Sure, there are some parts of the song that are not too hard. But that part is a bitch, considering how it starts out lower and requires some stretches that match JP's.

Really, I think it is unfair to call any DT song easy. Even something like Regression has a stupid hard, awkward chord.  Yes, some parts of songs are easy in comparison. But there are so many songs where one part may be ridiculous, making playing the whole thing incomplete.

PMU is that example I think.

Uhm, Pull Me Under really is one of their easier songs to play on guitar, I'm not kidding. Also the 'stupid hard awkward chord' in Regression is nothing special, just a regular chord with the third in the bass, nothing difficult about that either. Sorry, just had to say this.

*things*

Hurray, another guitarist!