Six Degrees 10 Year Anniversary

[Elite]

Fantastic album.  Ranks fourth for me.

As very often, Hef is right.

[Scorpion]

Suck-up.

j/k, love ya. 

[Elite]

Now we're talking.

[darkshade]

My issue with SDOIT is that it really started the "DT sound". I know that SFAM sort of did, but it wasn't as bad as SDOIT. SDOIT-BCSL have the same sound to me.

The only thing on SDOIT that started the "DT sound" is The Glass Prison, I assume that's what you're referring to; and only for their heavier songs (which I admit is most of the 2000s albums' songs). But you still have cuts like Blind Faith, Octavarium, The Count of Tuscany, The Answer Lies Within, Vacant/Stream of Consciousness, and others...

[snapple]

Drums being mixed too loud (sue me), wall of sound-ish, and a number of songs that kind of say "this is the DT sound" that was used on every album up to BCSL.  Blind Faith is really good, as is Misunderstood. I also like TGD. I dislike the title track. 8V is a shitty song and I don't get why it gets the love (oh wait, t3h nuggz!). And while I'm certainly not knocking all the songs, I'm saying that the "DT sound" they decided would be the norm for the next 4 albums or whatever got old and tired really fast. SDOIT was the start, ADTOE has fixed it.

[Pelata]

Oddly, when I saw them on the 6DOIT tour, they only played two songs from it : The Glass Prison and The Great Debate.

But definitely a great album; still probably my 4th favorite by the band.  And Misunderstood and Blind Faith are both top 20 songs in my book.

I was lucky enough to see the "Evening w/ DT" version where they played all of Disc 2 as a second set.

[darkshade]

Drums being mixed too loud (sue me), wall of sound-ish, and a number of songs that kind of say "this is the DT sound" that was used on every album up to BCSL. 

Agreed, though I think the drums have been too loud since I&W.

Blind Faith is really good, as is Misunderstood. I also like TGD. I dislike the title track.

The title track is anything 'but' the modern DT sound.

8V is a shitty song

And while I'm certainly not knocking all the songs, I'm saying that the "DT sound" they decided would be the norm for the next 4 albums or whatever got old and tired really fast. SDOIT was the start, ADTOE has fixed it.

I more or less agree, and yes, ADTOE was a great change in sound for them, I'm hoping DT12 will progress their sound away from both the 2000s albums, as well as ADTOE (which obviously takes a little influence from their 90s sound).

[iamtheeviltwin]

Drums being mixed too loud (sue me), wall of sound-ish, and a number of songs that kind of say "this is the DT sound" that was used on every album up to BCSL. 

Agreed, though I think the drums have been too loud since I&W.

When I went through the whole of the discography recently, there is a slow and steady increase in the loudness of the drum mix that actually starts with SFAM and increases through BCSL.  It also seemed like the bass was either getting mixed lower during this time period or being drowned out by the drums.

[darkshade]

Drums being mixed too loud (sue me), wall of sound-ish, and a number of songs that kind of say "this is the DT sound" that was used on every album up to BCSL. 

Agreed, though I think the drums have been too loud since I&W.

When I went through the whole of the discography recently, there is a slow and steady increase in the loudness of the drum mix that actually starts with SFAM and increases through BCSL.  It also seemed like the bass was either getting mixed lower during this time period or being drowned out by the drums.

I don't know. I have no problem hearing the bass until Systematic Chaos, and by BC&SL, it's completely gone except for a couple moments here and there. ADTOE saw a great return to the bass (now Myung just needs to work on his tone).

[BlobVanDam]

The bass mix on SC is actually quite good for the most part; in fact, JM is thoroughly cranked on TDEN and very high in the mix on Repentance and ITPOE too. He's a tad low on CM and TMOLS, but not that low.

BCASL is a bit inconsistent though. Again, JM is pretty high in the mix on ANTR, TCOT, and TSF. He's far too low in the mix on TBOT and AROP, and about average on Wither.

The bass on ADTOE is just as inconsistent to me as on any other recent album. I'd say the bass mix on ADTOE is actually their worst bass mix of any song. Actually, the only song where the bass mix sounds any louder than previous albums to me is LNF. Aside from that, it's not really an improvement. I'd say SC has much louder bass than ADTOE.

The biggest difference is in the songwriting. He's doubling a lot less on ADTOE, so you can distinguish his part from the guitars a lot easier. But the mix itself has never really been the problem.

[Priest of Syrinx]

Drums being mixed too loud (sue me), wall of sound-ish, and a number of songs that kind of say "this is the DT sound" that was used on every album up to BCSL.  Blind Faith is really good, as is Misunderstood. I also like TGD. I dislike the title track. 8V is a shitty song and I don't get why it gets the love (oh wait, t3h nuggz!). And while I'm certainly not knocking all the songs, I'm saying that the "DT sound" they decided would be the norm for the next 4 albums or whatever got old and tired really fast. SDOIT was the start, ADTOE has fixed it.

I agree with the "wall of sound-ish".  Sadly, that seems to be the current paradigm of modern production.

Otherwise, it seems like you are either an impatient listener (I want the payoff NOW, I don't want to wait for the song to evolve) or you simply need to get your ears re-calibrated.

[TheGreatPretender]

The bass mix on SC is actually quite good for the most part; in fact, JM is thoroughly cranked on TDEN and very high in the mix on Repentance and ITPOE too. He's a tad low on CM and TMOLS, but not that low.

I can always hear the bass really well on Prophets of War too. I love it, it's simple, but it keeps the energy going.

[snapple]

Drums being mixed too loud (sue me), wall of sound-ish, and a number of songs that kind of say "this is the DT sound" that was used on every album up to BCSL.  Blind Faith is really good, as is Misunderstood. I also like TGD. I dislike the title track. 8V is a shitty song and I don't get why it gets the love (oh wait, t3h nuggz!). And while I'm certainly not knocking all the songs, I'm saying that the "DT sound" they decided would be the norm for the next 4 albums or whatever got old and tired really fast. SDOIT was the start, ADTOE has fixed it.

I agree with the "wall of sound-ish".  Sadly, that seems to be the current paradigm of modern production.

Otherwise, it seems like you are either an impatient listener (I want the payoff NOW, I don't want to wait for the song to evolve) or you simply need to get your ears re-calibrated.

It's an opinion, not a fucking fact. I don't need to do anything to my fucking ears.

edit:

https://www.last.fm/user/Pyradacor/charts

top 3 - DT, Gordian Knot and Gentle Giant.

169 plays of Bridges in the Sky
166 plays of Take the Time
120 plays of The Glass Prison
76 plays of A Change of Seasons

that's just the Dream Theater. If you know who Gordian Knot is, then you know there isn't the "pay off, NOW!" to 99% of their music. No reason to be a condescending jerk.

You can also look at the charts to see what everything is like. Just because I like something else or think something sounds different doesn't mean I am wrong. Listening to music (and shit, the way I write music) is about how you want to interpret the music. I interpret some of DT's one way, and the other I find boring. It's not a fucking sin.

[Priest of Syrinx]

That's a lot of typing, just to tell me I'm wrong...   

[Elite]

It's how you win arguments.

[Slain]

8V is a shitty song

[Priest of Syrinx]

It's how you win arguments.

There was an argument? 

[Elite]

It's how you win arguments.

There was an argument? 

In the sense that you said something snapple disagreed with and he replied with that long post, giving you examples of stuff why he disagreed with you. Anyway, it doesn't really have anything to do with me, so whatever.

[Priest of Syrinx]

Snapple could have typed "no" and I would have accepted that. 

Not that he has to answer to me, I'm just some dude on the Internet.  I enjoyed his reply, though.

[DebraKadabra]

8V is a shitty song and I don't get why it gets the love (oh wait, t3h nuggz!)

[snapple]

8V is a shitty song and I don't get why it gets the love (oh wait, t3h nuggz!)

I really don't get why people like it.

[Implode]

Because it's beautiful?

[Scorpion]

8VM is massively overrated, I'll give you that, but I still enjoy it from time to time, and calling it shitty is taking it too far.

[hefdaddy42]

edit to prove how fucking short sighted your ridiculous ass comments were:

No real need for this, snapple. 

[snapple]

k. edited.

[Implode]

Still know you said it.

edit to prove how fucking short sighted your ridiculous ass comments were:

No real need for this, snapple. 

[MetropolisWatches]

The last few weeks, I've been addicted the first disc of SDOIT. Can't stop listening...

[CrimsonSunrise]

#3 for me.  Recently I've really been listening to disc 1 a LOT.  Great album, Portnoy's drumming is just fantastic to me on this album.

Damn MetropolisWatches...didn't see your post....JINX!!!

[Dublagent66]

Fantastic album.  Ranks fourth for me.

As very often, Hef is right.

Nah, he's only half right.  Ranks 1st.