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Looks like DT has already begun the process of writing the new album!

Started by Tripp, April 25, 2012, 12:08:46 AM

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wolven74

Guys, look at who tweeted that. JP can write music in his sleep. He writes music every time he holds a guitar. He comes up with a riff and calls it writing a song. I remember he wrote the main riff for TITL while he was developing his pedal for TC Electronic. He could have been in the bathroom writing music. I imagine we'll see the new disc sometime around the end of summer next year. They have to come off tour to record. I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.

All that being said.... I'm still  :yarr :hefdaddy :metal :corn

nikatapi

I really can't wait to hear what the guys will come up with!
But i hope they have better production this time, more dynamic and with a better drum mix-sound

lyfeternl

Quote from: wolven74 on May 01, 2012, 01:06:12 AM
Guys, look at who tweeted that. JP can write music in his sleep. He writes music every time he holds a guitar. He comes up with a riff and calls it writing a song. I remember he wrote the main riff for TITL while he was developing his pedal for TC Electronic. He could have been in the bathroom writing music. I imagine we'll see the new disc sometime around the end of summer next year. They have to come off tour to record. I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.

All that being said.... I'm still  :yarr :hefdaddy :metal :corn

That's where they got the opening sounds of BTS I'm pretty sure...    :neverusethis:


@OP: So looking forward to the "new album" process! I'm excited to hear MM's personal contribution.  :metal

phentalmyst

Quote from: wolven74 on May 01, 2012, 01:06:12 AM
I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.

i disagree. the band has stated numerous times (MP especially) that they would enter the studio without any pre-planned ideas, save for a few things JP would bring in (IE: wither). they've gone further to say it was impossible for them to jam during soundchecks, especially during the evening with shows, because they had to stay on top of the massive list of songs they were rotating.

ResultsMayVary

Quote from: phentalmyst on May 01, 2012, 06:41:29 AM
Quote from: wolven74 on May 01, 2012, 01:06:12 AM
I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.

i disagree. the band has stated numerous times (MP especially) that they would enter the studio without any pre-planned ideas, save for a few things JP would bring in (IE: wither). they've gone further to say it was impossible for them to jam during soundchecks, especially during the evening with shows, because they had to stay on top of the massive list of songs they were rotating.
JP has said that on this new tour, they've jammed a lot more at sound checks since they didn't need to rehearse new material for a show because of the changing setlists. Since the setlists stay the same the majority of the time, this frees their soundcheck up for them to do whatever they want.

lyfeternl

Quote from: ResultsMayVary on May 01, 2012, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: phentalmyst on May 01, 2012, 06:41:29 AM
Quote from: wolven74 on May 01, 2012, 01:06:12 AM
I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.

i disagree. the band has stated numerous times (MP especially) that they would enter the studio without any pre-planned ideas, save for a few things JP would bring in (IE: wither). they've gone further to say it was impossible for them to jam during soundchecks, especially during the evening with shows, because they had to stay on top of the massive list of songs they were rotating.
JP has said that on this new tour, they've jammed a lot more at sound checks since they didn't need to rehearse new material for a show because of the changing setlists. Since the setlists stay the same the majority of the time, this frees their soundcheck up for them to do whatever they want.

I think i'll take a near-similar setlist + jamming during sound-checks over rotating setlists any day!  :biggrin:

Madman Shepherd

Quote from: lyfeternl on May 01, 2012, 11:16:51 AM


I think i'll take a near-similar setlist + jamming during sound-checks over rotating setlists any day!  :biggrin:

I second that!

soulburner

Quote from: nikatapi on May 01, 2012, 01:36:05 AM
I really can't wait to hear what the guys will come up with!
But i hope they have better production this time, more dynamic and with a better drum mix-sound

Agreed. I like the dynamics of the HDTracks release of ADTOE, but the drums really are too low in the mix... or just the guitars too loud? Anyway, there is some room for improvement ;)
Maybe Steven Wilson should produce it? :D

Kotowboy

Quote from: Madman Shepherd on May 01, 2012, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: lyfeternl on May 01, 2012, 11:16:51 AM


I think i'll take a near-similar setlist + jamming during sound-checks over rotating setlists any day!  :biggrin:

I second that!

Especially If we get an album like SFAM or 6DOIT out of it.

fadetoblackdude7

Quote from: Kotowboy on May 02, 2012, 06:23:37 AM
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on May 01, 2012, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: lyfeternl on May 01, 2012, 11:16:51 AM


I think i'll take a near-similar setlist + jamming during sound-checks over rotating setlists any day!  :biggrin:

I second that!

Especially If we get an album like SFAM or 6DOIT out of it.

Hell yeah! If they write on the road and get all the songs ready, all they have to do is jump in the studio, fine-tune them, and record. They'll get it out much sooner then.

BlackInk


darkshade

It's true. If they have all or most of their material ready to record before they go into the studio, it will be a much quicker process, more time can be spent fine-tuning the songs if need be, and the record can be released much sooner than expected.

contest_sanity

Quote from: Tripp on April 25, 2012, 01:25:09 AM
Can't wait to see what Mangini comes up with, I'd like to see what he could bring to the table.
James Hetfield already has a monopoly on the table; Mangini should probably just stick to drums.

KevShmev

Quote from: contest_sanity on May 03, 2012, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: Tripp on April 25, 2012, 01:25:09 AM
Can't wait to see what Mangini comes up with, I'd like to see what he could bring to the table.
James Hetfield already has a monopoly on the table; Mangini should probably just stick to drums.

*snicker snicker* :lol

Tis BOOLsheet

Doesn't the label sorta plan out how often/when a band's album comes out though?

mallorier

Quote from: envex on May 01, 2012, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Aythesryche on April 25, 2012, 02:03:48 AM
Each era of the band is so incredibly recognizable. When DS joined the band and FII came out, it was a profound change. When Jordan joined, there was yet another profound sound change and direction. When MM came on board, the band did have a sense of change but it hasn't been fully realized. I think once this new album comes out that is when the new era will truly be ushered in for DT imo. We'll get to hear what this band comes up with as a whole and my bet is it's going to not only be truly different, but it's going to blow us away in the best of ways. I can't wait!

Completely agree with this.  Mike Mangini has the skills to pay the bills, and I can't wait to see what his mind comes up on the next album.


Thirding this! Can't wait to hear how Mangini influences the flavor of the divine musical jambalaya that is Dream Theater :3

bosk1

Quote from: Tis BOOLsheet on May 03, 2012, 10:08:48 AM
Doesn't the label sorta plan out how often/when a band's album comes out though?

No, not really.  Once the album is in the can, there is a general 10-week marketing/production cycle that follows.  Sometimes, and album will get pushed out a bit further if the band or label wants it to coincide with a tour or some other event, or if they want to avoid releasing concurrently with another big release that may distract from initial sales.  But generally, it is my understanding that the label does not have much control over the release date.

lyfeternl

Quote from: mallorier on May 03, 2012, 11:06:48 AM
Quote from: envex on May 01, 2012, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Aythesryche on April 25, 2012, 02:03:48 AM
Each era of the band is so incredibly recognizable. When DS joined the band and FII came out, it was a profound change. When Jordan joined, there was yet another profound sound change and direction. When MM came on board, the band did have a sense of change but it hasn't been fully realized. I think once this new album comes out that is when the new era will truly be ushered in for DT imo. We'll get to hear what this band comes up with as a whole and my bet is it's going to not only be truly different, but it's going to blow us away in the best of ways. I can't wait!

Completely agree with this.  Mike Mangini has the skills to pay the bills, and I can't wait to see what his mind comes up on the next album.


Thirding this! Can't wait to hear how Mangini influences the flavor of the divine musical jambalaya that is Dream Theater :3

That is just awesome. I have never hungered for DT quite so eloquently  ;)

TL

This is very exciting. Both because they're already writing for the next album, and because they seem to be switching up the process a bit. They really have seemed creatively refreshed since MM joined.

champbassist

Quote from: Kotowboy on April 26, 2012, 02:08:57 PM
Twelve More Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.

So does that mean it'll be a quadruple album?

The epicness of that concept is incomprehensible to my human brain.

GasparXR

Quote from: champbassist on May 04, 2012, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on April 26, 2012, 02:08:57 PM
Twelve More Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.

So does that mean it'll be a quadruple album?

The epicness of that concept is incomprehensible to my human brain.

260 minutes of awesome.

ResultsMayVary

Quote from: GasparXR on May 04, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: champbassist on May 04, 2012, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on April 26, 2012, 02:08:57 PM
Twelve More Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.

So does that mean it'll be a quadruple album?

The epicness of that concept is incomprehensible to my human brain.

260 minutes of awesome.
Holy shit. That would be unreal.

BlackInk

Though a 260 minute quadrouple album would almost be overkilling it a little I'd like something speciall out of their next album. Like a concept album or a double album. Every album since Train of Thought has "just" been an "ordinary" album and it would be fun with something different again.

Did I use the word album to many times? Perhaps album.

Mladen

I'd like an album just as awesome as ADTOE. If that's not too much to ask.  ;D

GasparXR

Quote from: BlackInk on May 04, 2012, 11:26:23 AM
Though a 260 minute quadrouple album would almost be overkilling it a little I'd like something speciall out of their next album. Like a concept album or a double album. Every album since Train of Thought has "just" been an "ordinary" album and it would be fun with something different again.

Did I use the word album to many times? Perhaps album.

Yeah, 260 minutes is stretching it, MAYBE a 180-minute album, that's how long their live releases are. But I would be fine with another ~75-minute disc as always, they always do something new on each album anyway.

theseoafs

People on these boards are always orgasming over possible gimmicks for DT's next album. "DT's next album should be Metropolis Part 3, a septuple album with all lyrics by John Myung and an instrumental 5th disc and featuring a guest appearance by The Count of Tuscany", etc.

I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.

I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.

wasteland

Quote from: theseoafs on May 04, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.

This is what I wish as well, and I'm VERY sure that whenever they enter the core of the writing process this will be exactly their mindset.  :)

GasparXR

Quote from: theseoafs on May 04, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
People on these boards are always orgasming over possible gimmicks for DT's next album. "DT's next album should be Metropolis Part 3, a septuple album with all lyrics by John Myung and an instrumental 5th disc and featuring a guest appearance by The Count of Tuscany", etc.

I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.

I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.

You realize that the new album suddenly not having a gimmick is technically a gimmick, right?




















:neverusethis:

lyfeternl

Quote from: theseoafs on May 04, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
People on these boards are always orgasming over possible gimmicks for DT's next album. "DT's next album should be Metropolis Part 3, a septuple album with all lyrics by John Myung and an instrumental 5th disc and featuring a guest appearance by The Count of Tuscany", etc.

I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.

I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.

I believe the term you meant to say was "longiest"

Scorpion

Quote from: theseoafs on May 04, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
People on these boards are always orgasming over possible gimmicks for DT's next album. "DT's next album should be Metropolis Part 3, a septuple album with all lyrics by John Myung and an instrumental 5th disc and featuring a guest appearance by The Count of Tuscany", etc.

I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.

I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.

This. Who needs all kinds of gimmicks and stuff - DT's albums are awesome enough on their own.

Kotowboy

Quote from: GasparXR on May 04, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
MAYBE a 180-minute album, that's how long their live releases are. But I would be fine with another ~75-minute disc as always, they always do something new on each album anyway.

180 minutes - 1 minute for every DEGREE the direction has changed from their last 4 albums.

They can call it 180 degrees of direction.

lyfeternl

Quote from: Kotowboy on May 04, 2012, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: GasparXR on May 04, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
MAYBE a 180-minute album, that's how long their live releases are. But I would be fine with another ~75-minute disc as always, they always do something new on each album anyway.

180 minutes - 1 minute for every DEGREE the direction has changed from their last 4 albums.

They can call it 180 degrees of direction.

If we are discussing 180 degrees, are you suggesting they write an album revolving solely around SC's Repentance...?   :neverusethis:

snapple

Id be happy with a 30 minute album if the music kicked ass.

edit: however, BITS and BAI feel like 2 minute songs because they flow so perfectly.

The Letter M

Quote from: Kotowboy on May 04, 2012, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: GasparXR on May 04, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
MAYBE a 180-minute album, that's how long their live releases are. But I would be fine with another ~75-minute disc as always, they always do something new on each album anyway.

180 minutes - 1 minute for every DEGREE the direction has changed from their last 4 albums.

They can call it 180 degrees of direction.

"Half Circle" then?

Quote from: snapple on May 04, 2012, 03:52:26 PM
Id be happy with a 30 minute album if the music kicked ass.

edit: however, BITS and BAI feel like 2 minute songs because they flow so perfectly.

I think if they wrote an awesome 40-60 minute album, it'd be ballsy and different enough. Have an album with one epic (side-long of course), then do 3-4 more songs totaling 18-25 minutes.

-Marc.

snapple

I wish they'd throw the "we need to make sure we do x" mentality away. I appreciate the heavy songs on ADToE, and I feel they were done masterfully. I just want them to make the music that comes to them. Dream Theater owes me, as a fan, no favors. I want to hear what inspires you, not what you think you are obligated to do for me.