Guitar player from A7X gives a little more insight about the MP/DT split.

[rumborak]

I really have zero insight into the straight rock/metal market, but do you think they could actually generate major interest with AM? It always struck me that the release of the EP kinda rendered the release of the full album to be somewhat of a nonevent.

rumborak

[Nick]

An EP isn't meant to be a major event, just a sampling, and generally there is no major marketing push behind a simple EP. I think that the full album *could* do well in the Disturbed/Godsmack type market. Not saying it will, but it has a chance. And we'll know if that chance exists shortly when we see who they signed with. It has to be someone with experience in that market with the muscle to promote them if they think they will be successful.

[rumborak]

While in general I agree on your judgment of EPs, I didn't feel the AM EP to be that. The full AM album, as I understand it, will just have a couple of additional songs to the EP. I always had the impression that the full album was going to be a "recalled" EP, since the EP didn't nearly generate the interest they were hoping for.

rumborak

[Nick]

Of course they wanted more buzz, but with no label support and the only somewhat big name in the group going completely off course musically speaking I'm not sure what they got was anything less than would be practical. I'm not saying they'll take off, I'm just saying with the right label they could still do it.

[rumborak]

Itt will be interesting for sure. His 2011 antics will certainly not have helped him procuring a record deal. In fact I have wondered how the other guys in AM have felt about all that stuff overshadowing the release of AM. Allen can just shrug his shoulder and go back to SymX, but Orlando probably had a more upbeat introduction to the masses in mind.

rumborak

[BlobVanDam]

Itt will be interesting for sure. His 2011 antics will certainly not have helped him procuring a record deal. In fact I have wondered how the other guys in AM have felt about all that stuff overshadowing the release of AM. Allen can just shrug his shoulder and go back to SymX, but Orlando probably had a more upbeat introduction to the masses in mind.

rumborak

I think the effect of his antics are overblown by us because we know about every single little thing. But in the grand scheme, the majority of people don't know (or probably even care) about every little discrepancy, aside from probably just the ones that make it to Blabbermouth.
Remember, only a fairly small percentage of people hang around forums like we do. And while these things may be plainly obvious to anyone who spends time on these forums, it's not that hard to be completely oblivious to it if you don't.

I don't think MP's actions will affect the AM album's success/failure. Let's face it; if the album fails, it won't be too hard to chalk it up to the material alone.

[johncal]

Itt will be interesting for sure. His 2011 antics will certainly not have helped him procuring a record deal. In fact I have wondered how the other guys in AM have felt about all that stuff overshadowing the release of AM. Allen can just shrug his shoulder and go back to SymX, but Orlando probably had a more upbeat introduction to the masses in mind.

rumborak

I think the effect of his antics are overblown by us because we know about every single little thing. But in the grand scheme, the majority of people don't know (or probably even care) about every little discrepancy, aside from probably just the ones that make it to Blabbermouth.
Remember, only a fairly small percentage of people hang around forums like we do. And while these things may be plainly obvious to anyone who spends time on these forums, it's not that hard to be completely oblivious to it if you don't.

I don't think MP's actions will affect the AM album's success/failure. Let's face it; if the album fails, it won't be too hard to chalk it up to the material alone.

The effects of his antics are well known in the music industry and will have a real negative effect on him....... except with Neal Morse who due to who he is and his beliefs can deal with it.

[ZirconBlue]

MP's buddies pushing AM on That Metal Show is probably sufficient good publicity to cancel out any other negative publicity this year.

[BlobVanDam]

Itt will be interesting for sure. His 2011 antics will certainly not have helped him procuring a record deal. In fact I have wondered how the other guys in AM have felt about all that stuff overshadowing the release of AM. Allen can just shrug his shoulder and go back to SymX, but Orlando probably had a more upbeat introduction to the masses in mind.

rumborak

I think the effect of his antics are overblown by us because we know about every single little thing. But in the grand scheme, the majority of people don't know (or probably even care) about every little discrepancy, aside from probably just the ones that make it to Blabbermouth.
Remember, only a fairly small percentage of people hang around forums like we do. And while these things may be plainly obvious to anyone who spends time on these forums, it's not that hard to be completely oblivious to it if you don't.

I don't think MP's actions will affect the AM album's success/failure. Let's face it; if the album fails, it won't be too hard to chalk it up to the material alone.

The effects of his antics are well known in the music industry and will have a real negative effect on him....... except with Neal Morse who due to who he is and his beliefs can deal with it.

Aside from the DT/A7X drama, what evidence is there that it will have a real negative impact? Even if MP had kept his mouth shut the past year, I don't see that much would have happened differently for him career-wise.

[Madman Shepherd]

An EP isn't meant to be a major event, just a sampling, and generally there is no major marketing push behind a simple EP. I think that the full album *could* do well in the Disturbed/Godsmack type market. Not saying it will, but it has a chance. And we'll know if that chance exists shortly when we see who they signed with. It has to be someone with experience in that market with the muscle to promote them if they think they will be successful.

Sure they *could* be successful, but I finally checked out some of their clips and I don't see them reaching any more success than they already have.  Even clips from the gigs they've played shows a crowd that really doesn't seem that into it

[Perpetual Change]

I think people are fooling themselves if they think Godsmack/Disturbed type music has a big market for commercial success these days. The internet has frankly changed the game, and there's very little room left for that in-between level of commercial success that rock bands like those once enjoyed. Bands that could sell thirty or fourty hundred-thousand albums a decade ago are now lucky to sell 3-4k and get any label support for big tours or future projects at all, let alone them getting "successful". Remember, Godsmack and Disturbed are still riding out the waves they created in the late 90s/early 00s before the dawn of "downloading" everything.  Sure, there's always new trends and bands which will get famous instantly, but the operate word there is "new", and nothing A Mob does is anywhere near that. Unfortunately, being 10 years behind a trend in commercial rock that was largely considered to be a butt-rock rehash of a genre that was already 10 years old at the time (grunge) is never really a good sign. These days, a band like Adrenaline Mob simply does not have a chance.

[darkshade]

Adrenaline Mob simply does not have a chance.

Agreed

[theseoafs]

Adrenaline Mob sounds *very* different thank Godsmack and Disturbed do. I think a Disturbed fan is as likely to like A-Mob as a Dream Theater fan does.

Nevertheless, I can't see Adrenaline Mob ever having any great success. Their style is a bit too modern to appeal to lovers of classic metal and a bit too classic to appeal to today's younguns. I could see them being successful in the 80's or 90's but even then their music is so cliche-ridden and devoid of hooks that I couldn't see them ever getting radio play.

But we'll see. Stranger things have happened.

[CodyWanKenobi]

MP's buddies pushing AM on That Metal Show is probably sufficient good publicity to cancel out any other negative publicity this year.

I threw up a little when I read that Eddie Trunk thinks A-Mob is MP and Russ's best work ever. 

[ResultsMayVary]

MP's buddies pushing AM on That Metal Show is probably sufficient good publicity to cancel out any other negative publicity this year.

I threw up a little when I read that Eddie Trunk thinks A-Mob is MP and Russ's best work ever. 

ET said that?

LOL WUT

[El JoNNo]

MP's buddies pushing AM on That Metal Show is probably sufficient good publicity to cancel out any other negative publicity this year.

I threw up a little when I read that Eddie Trunk thinks A-Mob is MP and Russ's best work ever. 

I think Eddie Trunk, when not physically giving MP head he mentally does.

[Ben_Jamin]

Are all the songs on the EP demos? If so, I'll wait till the full album is released

[duncan3dc]

I threw up a little when I read that Eddie Trunk thinks A-Mob is MP and Russ's best work ever. 

Not quite...
@EddieTrunk: "Since not a prog guy, my fav music yet by MP or Russ"

Ever thought of applying for a job at blabbermouth?

[Hprog]

Adrenaline Mob didn't appeal to me personally, and it has nothing to do with MP's antics. When the EP was first released for streaming, I listened to it with open ears... and I got bored. I am into metal, I love the metal side of DT, and I'm also a fan of Pantera, but these songs didn't do it for me. I think Russell can do better than just scream over and over like he does here. However, even though only a minority of us visit forums and stuff, I can see that the EP failed to make a real impact, and I think that has more to do with the material itself than with MP's 2011 behavior. Many people maybe had high expectations with the band and found these unmet.

[a51502112]

MP's buddies pushing AM on That Metal Show is probably sufficient good publicity to cancel out any other negative publicity this year.

I threw up a little when I read that Eddie Trunk thinks A-Mob is MP and Russ's best work ever. 

Just wow.  What a ball licker.

[GunsOfThePatriots]

Could you Help Me win the LOTTO Please 

i didn't Know that People Here are Foretellers

[johncal]

Itt will be interesting for sure. His 2011 antics will certainly not have helped him procuring a record deal. In fact I have wondered how the other guys in AM have felt about all that stuff overshadowing the release of AM. Allen can just shrug his shoulder and go back to SymX, but Orlando probably had a more upbeat introduction to the masses in mind.

rumborak

I think the effect of his antics are overblown by us because we know about every single little thing. But in the grand scheme, the majority of people don't know (or probably even care) about every little discrepancy, aside from probably just the ones that make it to Blabbermouth.
Remember, only a fairly small percentage of people hang around forums like we do. And while these things may be plainly obvious to anyone who spends time on these forums, it's not that hard to be completely oblivious to it if you don't.

I don't think MP's actions will affect the AM album's success/failure. Let's face it; if the album fails, it won't be too hard to chalk it up to the material alone.

The effects of his antics are well known in the music industry and will have a real negative effect on him....... except with Neal Morse who due to who he is and his beliefs can deal with it.

Aside from the DT/A7X drama, what evidence is there that it will have a real negative impact? Even if MP had kept his mouth shut the past year, I don't see that much would have happened differently for him career-wise.

Saying "aside from the DT/ATX drama" is to throw away the first bit of evidence,  so let's not do that. Do you honestly think someone's going to want to hire someone as toxic as him? I mean "maybe", I just don't see it as likely. Just my opinion.

[Orbert]

Mike has spent the past year doing a lot of different things musically, and says he's having a great time.  Sure, he's a drama queen, but he's still a great drummer, and there will always be people who want to play with him.  As a permanent member of their band?  That remains to be seen, but it seems that as time goes on, and memories fade, the odds will get better.  Rock and roll is full of massive egos and people who are difficult to get along with.  I would think that a lot of people in the biz just accept that and work with others the best they can.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Adrenaline Mob didn't appeal to me personally, and it has nothing to do with MP's antics. When the EP was first released for streaming, I listened to it with open ears... and I got bored. I am into metal, I love the metal side of DT, and I'm also a fan of Pantera, but these songs didn't do it for me. I think Russell can do better than just scream over and over like he does here. However, even though only a minority of us visit forums and stuff, I can see that the EP failed to make a real impact, and I think that has more to do with the material itself than with MP's 2011 behavior. Many people maybe had high expectations with the band and found these unmet.

Yes. It was underwhelming.

[slycordinator]

Could you Help Me win the LOTTO Please 

i didn't Know that People Here are Foretellers

Taking events that have occurred and reasoning out what the most likely outcome would be is the same as fortune telling, in your view? Seriously?!

[Perpetual Change]

Could you Help Me win the LOTTO Please 

i didn't Know that People Here are Foretellers

no But i Foretell that You will Never Stop trolling people with The Slightest criticisms of Mike portnoy

[CodyWanKenobi]

I threw up a little when I read that Eddie Trunk thinks A-Mob is MP and Russ's best work ever. 

Not quite...
@EddieTrunk: "Since not a prog guy, my fav music yet by MP or Russ"

Ever thought of applying for a job at blabbermouth?

This is what I read, a tweet from something called mpwarriors - "So @EddieTrunk heard the full @AdrenalineMob album & said it was the best music he's heard ever from both @MikePortnoy or @SirRussellAllen"

[GunsOfThePatriots]

Could you Help Me win the LOTTO Please 

i didn't Know that People Here are Foretellers

no But i Foretell that You will Never Stop trolling people with The Slightest criticisms of Mike portnoy

OK I SEE

[ResultsMayVary]

Could you Help Me win the LOTTO Please 

i didn't Know that People Here are Foretellers

no But i Foretell that You will Never Stop trolling people with The Slightest criticisms of Mike portnoy

I was about to say the same thing.

[GunsOfThePatriots]

Could you Help Me win the LOTTO Please 

i didn't Know that People Here are Foretellers

no But i Foretell that You will Never Stop trolling people with The Slightest criticisms of Mike portnoy

I was about to say the same thing.

[BlobVanDam]

Saying "aside from the DT/ATX drama" is to throw away the first bit of evidence,  so let's not do that. Do you honestly think someone's going to want to hire someone as toxic as him? I mean "maybe", I just don't see it as likely. Just my opinion.

Obviously the DT stuff is different because it's 25 years of history and it's very personal. It's totally different, and it's not a cop out. It was just a crummy situation for all involved.
And when you're throwing around words like "toxic", your opinion is far from fair and unbiased here. Your opinion does not represent that of musicians who could potentially work with him. They're not sitting on forums keeping score on every little nitpicky detail like DTF.

[GunsOfThePatriots]

Could you Help Me win the LOTTO Please 

i didn't Know that People Here are Foretellers

no But i Foretell that You will Never Stop trolling people with The Slightest criticisms of Mike portnoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8

[ehra]

You came back 5 hours later to post that in reply to a post that you had already replied to. Someone seems just a little worked up.

[GunsOfThePatriots]

You came back 5 hours later to post that in reply to a post that you had already replied to. Someone seems just a little worked up.

double https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8

[chrisbDTM]

You came back 5 hours later to post that in reply to a post that you had already replied to. Someone seems just a little worked up.

double https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8

i think he's been unintentionally trolling all along, now when he tries its a sad attempt.