ADToE Vinyl > CD, FTW.

[zipporaid]

For anyone that was wondering, it is definitely a different mastering, the "loudness wars" are evidently gone, and
everything just pops in the mix... Made some FLAC's from it on the first play, and checked the waveform vs CD,
soooo much different.  Mangini and Myung stand out so much more - as well as background vocs and whatnots aren't buried
in the compression.

Very recommended.

[WindMaster]

I need speakers for my turntable and I can play it.

[Pockets17red]

Any difference in the sleeves, or anything else between the US and EU/Germany (don't know which one) versions?

[zipporaid]

Don't know about the EU - but it's just different from my CD in the text is all scaled differently, but I haven't really side by side compared every detail.
It's nice to hold a full size record sleeve again   

[Pockets17red]

Then I will definitely be getting the ADTOE vinyl soon and probably the BC&SL vinyl. Heard they used a different master on that one.

[Progmetty]

Wow! Now I gotta hear this.

[Gorille85]

For anyone that was wondering, it is definitely a different mastering, the "loudness wars" are evidently gone, and
everything just pops in the mix... Made some FLAC's from it on the first play, and checked the waveform vs CD,
soooo much different.  Mangini and Myung stand out so much more - as well as background vocs and whatnots aren't buried
in the compression.

Very recommended.

That's funny because a vinyl is compressed while the CD isn't.

[weezul]

For anyone that was wondering, it is definitely a different mastering, the "loudness wars" are evidently gone, and
everything just pops in the mix... Made some FLAC's from it on the first play, and checked the waveform vs CD,
soooo much different.  Mangini and Myung stand out so much more - as well as background vocs and whatnots aren't buried
in the compression.

Very recommended.

That's funny because a vinyl is compressed while the CD isn't.

are you drunk

[PetFish]

I wish there were a way to get these versions w/o having to a) buy the vinyl and b) buy all the equipment necessary to actually rip it cuz I don't own anything remotely related to records and vinyl. 

[Gorille85]

For anyone that was wondering, it is definitely a different mastering, the "loudness wars" are evidently gone, and
everything just pops in the mix... Made some FLAC's from it on the first play, and checked the waveform vs CD,
soooo much different.  Mangini and Myung stand out so much more - as well as background vocs and whatnots aren't buried
in the compression.

Very recommended.

That's funny because a vinyl is compressed while the CD isn't.

are you drunk

lol

[BlobVanDam]

They can do what they want with the compression, but it won't improve the mix any.

[seasonsinthesky]

^ less compression usually lets the drum transients pop out a lot better (worth saying, since a common complaint is that Man-genie is buried).

also, Gorille85's post isn't totally off the mark, it's just worded horribly: while the loud parts on the vinyl master aren't nearly as crushed as the CD version, the dynamic range from soft to loud is lesser than it would be digitally, because the mastering engineer(s) have to fight the signal-to-noise ratio on vinyl.

tl;dr = the quiet parts are louder on the LP but the loud parts aren't destroyed

[BlobVanDam]

I find the compression on ADTOE to be the most transparent of the recent DT albums, despite the ratio sounding fairly similar (at least, volume-wise). I don't think a greater dynamic range will help the drums, as I believe the problem with the drums is the track EQ and compression (or lack thereof), rather than the compression in the mastering.

[Millais]

personally I thought compression was the worst in Systematic Chaos. BCSL was a step forward and ADTOE another step forward.

[zipporaid]

^ less compression usually lets the drum transients pop out a lot better (worth saying, since a common complaint is that Man-genie is buried).

also, Gorille85's post isn't totally off the mark, it's just worded horribly: while the loud parts on the vinyl master aren't nearly as crushed as the CD version, the dynamic range from soft to loud is lesser than it would be digitally, because the mastering engineer(s) have to fight the signal-to-noise ratio on vinyl.

tl;dr = the quiet parts are louder on the LP but the loud parts aren't destroyed

That's the funny thing about the "loudness wars", CD has a cleaner signal/noise - so they should leave the mixes more dynamics,
but the inherent limitations of vinyl actually FORCE the mastering engineer to not push everything to as close to zero as they can get.

Kindof counterintuitive.... And for any doubters, rest assured, there is a lot more depth  to the sonic spectrum.  There are little nuances that
are lost on the CD, and I've A-B'ed a bunch of parts so far.

As far as hearing these mixes, I'm not encouraging any piracy, but I do know that in buying a CD you have the legal right
to make a copy of it - now finding a vinyl rip might be skirting the letter of the law - but IMHO I wouldn't feel awful doing it. just sayin.

[Gadough]

For anyone that was wondering, it is definitely a different mastering, the "loudness wars" are evidently gone, and
everything just pops in the mix... Made some FLAC's from it on the first play, and checked the waveform vs CD,
soooo much different.  Mangini and Myung stand out so much more - as well as background vocs and whatnots aren't buried
in the compression.

Very recommended.

That's funny because a vinyl is compressed while the CD isn't.

are you drunk

lol

[zipporaid]

I find the compression on ADTOE to be the most transparent of the recent DT albums, despite the ratio sounding fairly similar (at least, volume-wise). I don't think a greater dynamic range will help the drums, as I believe the problem with the drums is the track EQ and compression (or lack thereof), rather than the compression in the mastering.

I don't think the compression or mastering was anything less than excellent - Just pointing out that theres a little more life to nuanced things (and for some reason I like the bass more)
on the vinyl...  I also noticed some stuff Mangini was doing that I hadn't noticed until the vinyl... Of course, there could be a little placebo action there,
but looking at the waveforms confirms a definite lack of brickwalled loud action.

[euzebiusz6000]

Just a remark - if you're interested in getting euro variant on heavy clear vinyl, drop me a line.