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[gmillerdrake]

  Mangini - that's an interesting conjecture..

It wasn't meant to be a criticism at all either, FYI; I am just saying, most of what he plays on ADTOE is just how Portnoy would have played it, with some obvious exceptions in there.

I think only because of the fact that he was trying to follow that 'template' that JP had created with the drum machine. I am very curious to hear DT's next album merely for the fact that they would have had a year or so to tour with MM..feel him out and he feel them out...giving them a better understanding of one another and to me....more creative reign as to how the drums will sound on the next release. I'm interested in if they allow MM to write his own parts so to speak or if he will again just embellish what JP considers DT's sound to be?

[Aythesryche]

  Mangini - that's an interesting conjecture..

It wasn't meant to be a criticism at all either, FYI; I am just saying, most of what he plays on ADTOE is just how Portnoy would have played it, with some obvious exceptions in there.

I think only because of the fact that he was trying to follow that 'template' that JP had created with the drum machine. I am very curious to hear DT's next album merely for the fact that they would have had a year or so to tour with MM..feel him out and he feel them out...giving them a better understanding of one another and to me....more creative reign as to how the drums will sound on the next release. I'm interested in if they allow MM to write his own parts so to speak or if he will again just embellish what JP considers DT's sound to be?

As long as they use Andy Wallace again I'm happy.

[dbrooks22]

  Mangini - that's an interesting conjecture..

It wasn't meant to be a criticism at all either, FYI; I am just saying, most of what he plays on ADTOE is just how Portnoy would have played it, with some obvious exceptions in there.

  Peart is probably better today, but in a more well-rounded sense.  He's basically taken the last two decades to add tools to his repertoire that many other accomplished drummers already had.  That's why i don't see it as progressive.

Okay, but by that definition, Mike Portnoy is not a progressive drummer at all, since, by his own admission, his style is completely taken from combining all of the styles of his favorite drummers over the years.

To your first point about Mangini - i just thought about it for awhile, and I don't hear it.  To me, he doesn't sound like he's trying to play how MP would have played.   It sounds very different to my ears.  But I'm curious to hear if others have an opinion. 

To your second point about MP, here's the difference:  MP used other people's styles, but then combined them with his own very complex patterns and time signatures to elevate to a new plateau.  Much the way that Peart did in the 70's and early 80's when he used stylistic elements from the Who, the Police, etc.

The difference is that Peart's development over the past 15yrs has been sort of playing catch-up with fundamentals that were totally missing from his toolkit.  A lot of those techniques, one could argue he didn't really need to play Rush music.  But he did it anyway, because he wanted to be a better drummer overall.  And he deserves all the credit in the world for it!  He has progressed as a drummer, but his drumming is much less progressive as a result.  He's filled in the gaps, but hasn't reached for new zeniths.  That's how i see it.

[Dark Castle]

To me, Mangini's drumming on ADToE didn't sound like he was trying to sound like Portnoy at all, for one his cymbal work is vastly different and IMO better.

[nikatapi]

To me, Mangini's drumming on ADToE didn't sound like he was trying to sound like Portnoy at all, for one his cymbal work is vastly different and IMO better.

if only we could hear it better

[gmillerdrake]

  Mangini - that's an interesting conjecture..

It wasn't meant to be a criticism at all either, FYI; I am just saying, most of what he plays on ADTOE is just how Portnoy would have played it, with some obvious exceptions in there.

I think only because of the fact that he was trying to follow that 'template' that JP had created with the drum machine. I am very curious to hear DT's next album merely for the fact that they would have had a year or so to tour with MM..feel him out and he feel them out...giving them a better understanding of one another and to me....more creative reign as to how the drums will sound on the next release. I'm interested in if they allow MM to write his own parts so to speak or if he will again just embellish what JP considers DT's sound to be?

As long as they use Andy Wallace again I'm happy.

Agreed. I know there were some out there that complain MM's drum parts aren't loud or pronounced enough, but after listening to a bit of 6DOIT/8V/TOT this weekend....as killer as the music is and I love those albums.....man MP's drums are freakin' loud and out front! I get it and it 'worked' I suppose...but I really enjoy MM's sound and for that matter the overall sound that ADTOE has.

[dbrooks22]

To me, Mangini's drumming on ADToE didn't sound like he was trying to sound like Portnoy at all, for one his cymbal work is vastly different and IMO better.

if only we could hear it better

sigh. 

[Aythesryche]

To me, Mangini's drumming on ADToE didn't sound like he was trying to sound like Portnoy at all, for one his cymbal work is vastly different and IMO better.

if only we could hear it better

sigh.

I think all the aspects of the drumming are great on the new album. Perfect for my balanced taste.