The Dance of Eternity vs. Outcry

Started by theseoafs, October 21, 2011, 03:36:23 PM

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Which one is more radical?

The Dance of Eternity
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Outcry
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theseoafs

October 21, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
Critics have been comparing Outcry to The Dance of Eternity since ADTOE's release. So, whaddya think? Which do you prefer?

My vote goes to Outcry, though they're kind of close.

cyberdrummer

#1
October 21, 2011, 03:50:15 PM
The Dance of Eternity. It's more coherent, the Outcry instrumental just hasn't clicked yet.

Phoenix87x

#2
October 21, 2011, 03:54:08 PM
Dance of Eternity, but I do really like Outcry a lot though. 

Implode

#3
October 21, 2011, 04:07:04 PM
They are literally right next to each other in my list. The Dance of Eternity is better for the complexity, but Outcry has beautiful melodies with one insane section. It depends what which I want to listen to at the time.

jcmistat

#4
October 21, 2011, 04:07:25 PM
I'm going to say Outcry. It's closer than I thought though and could shift back to TDoE.

TAC

#6
October 21, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
I'd say instrumentally, I'd go with TDOE. If I listed my all time DT tracks...it would really be close. I typically go for songs with vocals.
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Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

cyberdrummer

#7
October 21, 2011, 04:35:58 PM
I think Outcry would have been a better song without such a long instrumental section. If they wanted to go crazy, then maybe they should have written a separate instrumental track.

TAC

#8
October 21, 2011, 04:39:28 PM
I don't agree. I like Outcry just the way it is. I think it fits perfectly. It's not like Burning My Soul/Hell's Kitchen where the instrumental part really doesn't have anything to do with the song.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

ishak540m

#9
October 21, 2011, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on October 21, 2011, 04:35:58 PM
I think Outcry would have been a better song without such a long instrumental section. If they wanted to go crazy, then maybe they should have written a separate instrumental track.

I think it's one of the more fitting instrumentals. Doesn't feel out of place to me at all.  TMOLS instrumental on the other hand....

Metrovarium

#10
October 21, 2011, 05:52:41 PM
Outcry has better moments, but The Dance of Eternity is a better whole, and therefore the better song. If Outcry actually had a decent ending, I'd enjoy it more.

Jirpo

#11
October 21, 2011, 06:07:49 PM
Outcry easily.

Elite

#12
October 21, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
The Dance of Eternity is one of the worst 'songs' DT has ever done. VERY easy choice.
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BlobVanDam

#13
October 21, 2011, 09:12:23 PM
TDOE. I've never really gotten what's so crazy about Outcry. Sounds like standard DT to me, whereas TDOE screams "radical" from beginning to end. It is the definitive crazy DT song, and Outcry doesn't come close to it.

fllnsprrw

#14
October 21, 2011, 10:21:31 PM
I didn't love Outcry at first. But lately I've been on such an Outcry high that if you put Outcry vs pretty much any other DT song, I'd pick Outcry, Outcry, again and again.

LieLowTheWantedMan

#15
October 21, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: Elite on October 21, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
The Dance of Eternity is one of the worst 'songs' DT has ever done. VERY easy choice.
Well technically TDoE isn't a song so... :neverusethis:

I can't choose. Too close.

Ħ

#16
October 21, 2011, 11:56:31 PM
Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 21, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: Elite on October 21, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
The Dance of Eternity is one of the worst 'songs' DT has ever done. VERY easy choice.
Well technically TDoE isn't a song so... :neverusethis:
Yeah it is.  The separate movements of SFAM are considered songs.

YtseJamittaja

#17
October 22, 2011, 12:10:22 AM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on October 21, 2011, 03:50:15 PM
The Dance of Eternity. It's more coherent, the Outcry instrumental just hasn't clicked yet.

Exactly this.

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#18
October 22, 2011, 12:59:57 AM
Gotta say Outcry, TDOE gets a bit boring towards the end, whereas Outcry's instrumental section stays interesting from start to finish and the song also has a great chorus.

hefdaddy42

#19
October 22, 2011, 03:38:15 AM
Quote from: Ħ on October 21, 2011, 11:56:31 PM
Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 21, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: Elite on October 21, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
The Dance of Eternity is one of the worst 'songs' DT has ever done. VERY easy choice.
Well technically TDoE isn't a song so... :neverusethis:
Yeah it is.  The separate movements of SFAM are considered songs.
I think what he is saying is that in a technical sense a song must be SUNG.
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namgalsipsclar

#20
October 22, 2011, 03:39:03 AM
Gonna say TDOE easily, Outcry is good but its not amazing

Liberation

#21
October 22, 2011, 03:43:38 AM
Quote from: theseoafs on October 21, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
Critics have been comparing Outcry to The Dance of Eternity since ADTOE's release.
Wtf are these critics? These two songs are just as similar as Learning to Live with The Dark Eternal Night.

But anyway, definitely Outcry.

hefdaddy42

#22
October 22, 2011, 03:44:22 AM
I actually really like both songs.  But I think Outcry is just a little bit better.
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Mladen

#23
October 22, 2011, 03:48:21 AM
The Dance of Eternity is one of my all time favorites, so it gets my vote. Outcry is really good, though.

BRGM

#24
October 22, 2011, 03:53:41 AM
I just love TDOE!

but Outcry is my fav song off of my second favorite album, Outcry is close to perfect, really nice intro, great and powerfull chorus, and that instrumental section just flows sooo well and is stil very crazy.

I kove Outcry even more.

Millais

#25
October 22, 2011, 04:39:21 AM
as a musician, The Dance of Eternity - nothing beats being inspired by the ridiculous amount of time signature changes in that song.
as a fan, Outcry - some of the best melodies and interesting lyrics DT have produced in years.

kirksnosehair

#26
October 22, 2011, 05:18:58 AM
I like both of them but I think TDOE is one of those classic Dream Theater pieces they they'll probably never top.


DarkLord_Lalinc

#27
October 22, 2011, 07:53:58 AM
As a song, Outcry.

gabeh1018

#28
October 22, 2011, 08:03:37 AM
I do love the dance of eternity, but I would have to go with outcry. It's more intense and gut wrenching to me. Also, 4:33 on in tDoE is where they should have gone elsewhere instead of there.

KevShmev

#29
October 22, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
Quote from: theseoafs on October 21, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
Critics have been comparing Outcry to The Dance of Eternity since ADTOE's release. 

They have?  Where?

Anyway, Outcry wins this pretty easily for me.  The Dance of Eternity is sticks out like a sore thumb on an otherwise absolutely brilliant Scenes, while Outcry is a rock solid tune in the classic DT vein.

theseoafs

#30
October 22, 2011, 08:21:41 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on October 22, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
Quote from: theseoafs on October 21, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
Critics have been comparing Outcry to The Dance of Eternity since ADTOE's release. 

They have?  Where?
Most critics who put out a pre-release review and who knew anything about DT have thrown in a "hey, Outcry is really complicated sorta like The Dance of Eternity", not to mention the track-by-track previews where the band members themselves did that. I don't care enough to go find sources, though.

EDIT: never mind, here's one for you.

Quote from: Rich WilsonHarking back to Scenes From A Memory, Outcry contains the type of musical dexterity that drove The Dance Of Eternity but is combined with a striking vocal melody.

KevShmev

#31
October 22, 2011, 08:33:21 AM
I'll take your word for it, then.  Just seems like a strange comparison.  I mean, a lot of DT songs have that kind of "complicated" instrumental section that Outcry is, so you really could have compared it to a dozen or two DT songs.  But it's all good. :biggrin:

BlobVanDam

#32
October 22, 2011, 08:50:35 AM
Even DT themselves have compared it to TDOE. I don't really hear it though.

aXygnus

#33
October 22, 2011, 08:54:40 AM
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Yeah, I'm going with Outcry, TDEN has nothing on that chorus.

theseoafs

#34
October 22, 2011, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 22, 2011, 08:50:35 AM
Even DT themselves have compared it to TDOE. I don't really hear it though.
It's not so much a similarity in sound as it is in technicality and complexity. And in that respect, they're right. It's probably the most complex instrumental we've seen from them since TDOE (though this is mostly subjective).
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