JP Talks About Pink Floyd

[lumpy33]

a lot of talk here about JP being the creative driving force of the band all these years.  probably true, i would guess.  so what if petrucci had left the band?  would there still be dream theater?  i've always thought that he's the only one that HAS to be in the band for it to continue.

[rude boy]

great interview. i'm very pleased as a fan of DT and John for giving credit where credit is due, and as a huge fan of PF for being praised by John Petrucci. it's a circle of pleasure and pride

[fibreoptix]

He has a new tweet saying that Kevin Moore is Syd Barrett

Eh. Unnecessary jab, as usual.

rumborak

Sadly, I don't know enough about Syd Barrett or the PF history, I'm ashamed to say.  What is the connection?  Just that Barrett left the band early on?

Well, that's certainly all I gleaned from it.

[phentalmyst]

He has a new tweet saying that Kevin Moore is Syd Barrett

Eh. Unnecessary jab, as usual.

rumborak

Sadly, I don't know enough about Syd Barrett or the PF history, I'm ashamed to say.  What is the connection?  Just that Barrett left the band early on?

Well, that's certainly all I gleaned from it.

i'd say it's more to do with the whole "recluse" side of it all. granted, barrett was quite mentally ill...

[SystematicThought]

I also believe that Kevmo shaved off his hair at one point and Syd did too. Although Syd went the extra mile and shaved his eyebrows as well.

Actually, I may be wrong on Kevmo shaving his hair

[Zydar]

Actually, I may be wrong on Kevmo shaving his hair

[chknptpie]

great article... and holy crap twitter stuff

[Mebert78]

I also believe that Kevmo shaved off his hair at one point and Syd did too. Although Syd went the extra mile and shaved his eyebrows as well.

Actually, I may be wrong on Kevmo shaving his hair

I see Barrett pursued a solo career too.  That's another link, i suppose.  And yes, KM did shave his head.  Here's one pic I have from the mid 1990s:



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[Zook]

I also believe that Kevmo shaved off his hair at one point and Syd did too. Although Syd went the extra mile and shaved his eyebrows as well.

Actually, I may be wrong on Kevmo shaving his hair

I see Barrett pursued a solo career too.  That's another link, i suppose.  And yes, KM did shave his head.  Here's one pic I have from the mid 1990s:



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Seems to me like...





DT became too popular



:TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRD

[Mebert78]

I just spent the past hour watching a Pink Floyd documentary on YouTube.  I probably should have done that a while ago.  There was a lot I didn't know.   Interesting stuff.  Not sure I can make too many DT connections though.

[SystematicThought]

 

I had the image of Kev walking in on the Falling Into Infinity sessions like Barrett did during the Wish You Were Here sessions.

MP: Who the fuck is this guy?
JP: I have no clue
JM: Me neither

after they find out who he is

MP: How's it sound Kev?
KM: Sounds kinda old

[rumborak]

He has a new tweet saying that Kevin Moore is Syd Barrett

Eh. Unnecessary jab, as usual.

rumborak

Sadly, I don't know enough about Syd Barrett or the PF history, I'm ashamed to say.  What is the connection?  Just that Barrett left the band early on?

Well, that's certainly all I gleaned from it.

Syd Barrett has a pretty bitter aftertaste in the history of PF, with his drug abuses, mental instability etc. Apart from his musical influences, that's kinda what he's known for. Comparing KM to that is IMHO questionable. Again, it's something you say to your buddy over a beer, not on Twitter.

rumborak

[Orbert]

That's the second time someone has said that.  To many people, Twitter is the type of thing you'd say to your buddy over a beer.  Remarks of little or no consequence, not meant to be dissected on the Internet.

[nikatapi]

Well to be honest with you it doesn't really matter to me anymore what MP says, he's out of the band, he does his own thing.
I was one of the people who got really annoyed by all the MP remarks about DT (I&W connections etc) but not anymore.
He still wants to be a topic of discussion as it seems, but he needs to release some good music to achieve that in a proper way.

About the interview, it was really interesting to see that JP appreciates the calmness and breathing space of PF music, and i think it was reflected in some parts of the new album.

[Mebert78]

He has a new tweet saying that Kevin Moore is Syd Barrett

Eh. Unnecessary jab, as usual.

rumborak

Sadly, I don't know enough about Syd Barrett or the PF history, I'm ashamed to say.  What is the connection?  Just that Barrett left the band early on?

Well, that's certainly all I gleaned from it.

Syd Barrett has a pretty bitter aftertaste in the history of PF, with his drug abuses, mental instability etc. Apart from his musical influences, that's kinda what he's known for. Comparing KM to that is IMHO questionable. Again, it's something you say to your buddy over a beer, not on Twitter.

rumborak

After reading up about Barrett and what became of him after PF, part of me feels like Portnoy owes Kevin an apology for his comment on Twitter.  Yes, MP threw in an "OK, not exactly" after the comment, but to me that doesn't take back the comment.  It's just a way of being able to take a jab and then shrug your shoulders.  Not sure why MP feels the need to do stuff like that.  KM has never said a word about MP even after the OSI sessions and even after he was roasted by MP in "Lifting Shadows."  So disappointing when MP does stuff like this.

[phentalmyst]

Not sure why MP feels the need to do stuff like that.  KM has never said a word about MP even after the OSI sessions and even after he was roasted by MP in "Lifting Shadows."  So disappointing when MP does stuff like this.

i'd be surprised if KM has even read lifting shadows...

[jcmoorehead]

I honestly don't think MP meant anything too bad when he made those comparisons. He probably said KM was DT's Syd in that KM was a founding member that left just at the point where DT were starting to pick up steam and in many fans eyes has left a hole there ever since. I don't really think he meant anything more then it just being a simple off hand comment.

I know Mikes said some things that are questionable in the past but in this case I honestly don't think he meant KM was like Syd in the negative sense.

[fibreoptix]

He still wants to be a topic of discussion as it seems, but he needs to release some good music to achieve that in a proper way.

Bring on Flying Colors, I say!

[Perpetual Change]

It's just a way of being able to take a jab and then shrug your shoulders.

Wow.

You just described in one sentence everything that has frustrated me about Portnoy over the last couple of years.

[WildeSilas]

After someone takes about 10-12 "jabs," I think the person being jabbed is completely within their rights to punch the jabber in the face. It's real convenient to continually make "innocent jabs" and then blame everyone else for taking it too seriously. Any of us, after someone makes enough snarky remarks will start to feel like: "If you've got something to say, just fucking say it." That's the problem here. MP won't just "say it." He makes passive aggressive tweets, likes derogatory FB posts, and whines about his feelings being hurt. But god forbid someone make a jab at him or criticize him - then it's "oh poor, Mike, no one appreciates me." I love the guy, I really do. But after working with addicts for years, his behavior is so textbook narcissist and cliche that it's actually become boring. I find myself wishing he'd do something unexpected just to put a twist on it. Either put out some decent music to get noticed, say what you really want to say, or stfu. Just my two cents.

[hefdaddy42]

OK, I think everyone has gotten in their say on MP.  And since he made the comment based on this interview, it's not entirely off-topic.

But it gets to be a dead horse after a time.  Can we wheel back toward the original purpose of the thread?  How about listing your favorite PF-inspired solos/song passages?

[The Letter M]

OK, I think everyone has gotten in their say on MP.  And since he made the comment based on this interview, it's not entirely off-topic.

But it gets to be a dead horse after a time.  Can we wheel back toward the original purpose of the thread?  How about listing your favorite PF-inspired solos/song passages?

Definitely "Peruvian Skies", "The Spirit Carries On", "Octavarium" and "The Count Of Tuscany", all have very specific Floydian sections/feels, and I think it's very important to note how much of an influence Pink Floyd is on the Dream Theater sound. It seems like there's at least one spot on every album that has some sort of Pink Floyd sound or feel, although I'll leave naming all of those to the others here who have the time to do so.

-Marc.

[hefdaddy42]

One of my favorite Floydian moments is during TSCO, right after the 2nd chorus leading into the bridge.  That chord (D7?) just SCREAMS Pink Floyd.

[WildeSilas]

LSOaD always reminded me of PF in general. Which is weird because LSOaD is my fav DT song, and I'm not a PF fan hardly at all.

[Orbert]

Isn't it the Five Years in a LiveTime version of "Peruvian Skies" that includes a quote from Pink Floyd?  I haven't listened to it in years, but I think that was the version with a little "Have a Cigar" thrown into it.

[Pinga]

Yes, that's the one. When they played it here, it had "Wish You Were Here".

[The Letter M]

Isn't it the Five Years in a LiveTime version of "Peruvian Skies" that includes a quote from Pink Floyd?  I haven't listened to it in years, but I think that was the version with a little "Have a Cigar" thrown into it.

IIRC, they've used "Peruvian Skies" to quote both Pink Floyd and Metallica on two separate tours, both with two different songs by each band each time. For Pink Floyd, it was the two mentioned above, and for Metallica "Enter Sandman" and "Wherever I May Roam". Pretty cool because the song itself have a very Floydian vibe to it in the first half, and then a Metallica-sounding second half.

-Marc.

[hefdaddy42]

Yep.  On the FII tour they played snips of Have A Cigar and Enter Sandman, and on the 8VM tour they played snips of Wish You Were and Wherever I May Roam.

I thought the first one was better.

[Orbert]

Ah yes, the heavy part gets the "Enter Sandman" vibe going on, then they actually quote it.  I always liked how they did those.

A lot of people rag on Five Years in a LiveTime , but with Live in Tokyo only available as an import for a long time, it was the first real live album we got from DT, and it was all we had for a while.  I liked the musical quotes.

[hefdaddy42]

A lot of people rag on Five Years in a LiveTime , but with Live in Tokyo only available as an import for a long time, it was the first real live album we got from DT, and it was all we had for a while.  I liked the musical quotes.

Well, the albums was Once in a LIVEtime.  The video version was Five Years.

[bosk1]

Ah yes, the heavy part gets the "Enter Sandman" vibe going on, then they actually quote it.  I always liked how they did those.

A lot of people rag on Five Years in a LiveTime , but with Live in Tokyo only available as an import for a long time, it was the first real live album we got from DT, and it was all we had for a while.  I liked the musical quotes.

Yeah.  We had Live At The Marquee, but it is so short it almost plays as an EP.  Plus, it never really seemed to have very good distribution, so I don't think as many people were aware of it in the early days. 

It definitely has some major flaws (most notably the fact that James struggles), but it has some great moments too.  Peruvian Skies is probably THE high point, IMO.  I was just listening to it on the drive in this morning.

[rude boy]

Isn't it the Five Years in a LiveTime version of "Peruvian Skies" that includes a quote from Pink Floyd?  I haven't listened to it in years, but I think that was the version with a little "Have a Cigar" thrown into it.

yes! when i first heard that (a few years back), i was thrilled! 

[Orbert]

DT has always worn their influences on their sleeves, and of course lots of bands will cover songs by a favorite band or influence, but the idea of inserting a few lines of a song by another band, and having it work so well, seemed so unique.  Jazz guys quote all the time, but you don't hear it a lot in rock.

A lot of people rag on Five Years in a LiveTime , but with Live in Tokyo only available as an import for a long time, it was the first real live album we got from DT, and it was all we had for a while.  I liked the musical quotes.

Well, the albums was Once in a LIVEtime.  The video version was Five Years.

Shit, you're right.  I've watched the DVD a lot more than I listen to the CDs, and forgot that they were similarly, yet differently named.

[hefdaddy42]

I have too.  In fact, I have only very rarely listened to the CD at all in the last 10 years.