Aquiles Priester practicing TDOE...

[fibreoptix]

If someone wouldn't mind... what was it that Derek said? How did he come off like an ass?

[Kotowboy]

When he was turned down, he was like " uh, well, i make more money with my snakes than i would in DT - plus I didn't REALLY want the job anyway..."

Sounds like a spoiled kid. If you didn't want the job - DON"T AUDITION. 

[bosk1]

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this?  Not busting your balls, just curios.

up above the post you quoted, he says a friend of his heard it from marco directly...

"I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who..." 

[tristl]

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this?  Not busting your balls, just curios.

up above the post you quoted, he says a friend of his heard it from marco directly...

"I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who..."

isn't that REO Speedwagon ? nice song

[The Letter M]

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this?  Not busting your balls, just curios.

Just curios?

Okay!

Also, the whole Marco thing is very suspicious, considering they didn't even bother showing or presenting any post-audition interaction with him like they did with Mike and Peter, especially with how excited they were with his audition and skills.

-Marc.

[CrimsonSunrise]

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this?  Not busting your balls, just curios.

Just curios?

Yeah... I love nick nacks!!!  Or is it Knick Knacks??  You tell me...you're the english teacher..

[The Letter M]

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this?  Not busting your balls, just curios.

Just curios?

Yeah... I love nick nacks!!!  Or is it Knick Knacks??  You tell me...you're the english teacher..

English? Psh, nah... I prefer the language of music...

So... knick-knack paddy-whack give a dog a bone.

-Marc.

[CrimsonSunrise]

    

[rumborak]

Whether the Marco thing is true or not we will never know. Friends of friends are remarkable people, they know secrets, do incredible things ... and are never available when you want to talk to them.

rumborak

[slycordinator]

The idea that he turned down the gig before even auditioning seems incorrect for two reasons:
1) If he went into the studio after having said to them "Don't bother offering me the gig. It's a 'fuck no' due to this contract" I highly doubt he would play with such enthusiasm.
2) If he had gone in before the audition and said no due to a contract being given for him to sign... I doubt he'd be in the documentary at all. That is, unless it's thought that he's an idiot who will sign a contract while having "bad feelings" about said contract.

Granted, anything is possible...

[Bill Carson]

No it would be after the auditions that he was offered the position.
Also it wasn't a friend of a friend...it was just one friend that I know very well. Was just relaying back what he had told me after meeting Marco at a Steven Wilson gig.
I didn't ask my mate for a recording of the conversation or even an oil painting of Marco but that's what he told me.
Entirely up to your good selves what you would like to believe and like I said before, it doesn't matter now because DT have the best replacement in Mike Mangini !!

[rumborak]

Don't get me wrong, he was my #1 too. (and still is, actually. It would have sucked for the existing catalog's rendering, but very exciting for new material)

rumborak

[slycordinator]

And sorry, I was going not 100% off what was said here but had seen a couple places where people said that Marco turned everything down before the auditions started.

[InfraredDream]

But I remember Peter saying somewhere (his forum or the drummer's one) that they all were called on the same day, Nov 4 if I remember correct. I don't know how that corresponds with Jordan's message about Mike's 1 year in the band thing though, maybe he is counting from the day of his audition?

As for Derek, his words left me with very bad taste. All I thought was sour grapes for him. I might be wrong, but... Especially the part when somebody asked him why he went when he didn't want the gig and he replied when you are asked you go as people would say "don't ask him, he won't even bother coming". Yeah, really? Oh well... I personally have no respect for him after that as it was totally disrespectful towards the band. Oh, and when he said he was sure they wouldn't show the moments when they (the drummers) were throwing some tough stuff on the band during the jams and the band was not able to respond to that  Don't wanna sound bad, but he was completely lost during the odd time riffs.

Anyways, I don't know if Marco was offered first, but Mike was my first choice and I can't be happier now having with him in the band!

[bosk1]

But I remember Peter saying somewhere (his forum or the drummer's one) that they all were called on the same day, Nov 4 if I remember correct.

Yes, as far as he knew, they were.  Again, squaring that with all the other facts, I'm going to assume the most likely scenario is that they offered it to Mangini on 10/24.  He accepted and inked the deal in the next couple of days, and once he did, they called the other candidates on or around 11/4 to let them know they weren't chosen.

[InfraredDream]

I was considering that, but from Oct 18 + 3 days auditions is Oct 21 to Oct 24 is 3 days only. And Mike is saying in the documentary  "it was taking so long..." till they annonced the results, etc. Doesn't sounds like 3 days to me. Thus the only way I see it was Jordan annonced the day they decided he is the one, but they needed to wait for something ("some other drummer go to his country.."). Just speculations obviously, of course.

[bosk1]

He auditioned on the first day, so it would have been six days.

[InfraredDream]

Of course, but again, he knew they were auditioning for 3 days.
Anyways, my personal feeling watching his reaction is that it was more than 5 days since his own audition.
But that is not so important really. As I said he was my choice and I am very happy he is in the band.
But the speculation about Marco hit me a bit and I am curious.

[InfraredDream]

From this DT in Orlando video that I just saw, the way JP is talking about Oct 24 being the day they brought Mike to the band, it sounds like bosk is right. It sounds really official Poor Mike if 3 days was "so long" for him
Sorry for the slight off-topic.

[Bill Carson]

Okay, I've just got back from London, went to the Steven Wilson gig - which was amazing - anyway I met Marco but initially didn't get a chance to ask, he was chatting to a couple of women and I didn't wanna get in the way of his moves

Did speak to someone else but........well I don't wanna mention his name. Its no big deal, guess I just don't want it getting back to him that I blurted his conversation onto the internet.
Hope you can all understand.
He knows Marco well enough to know what's going on, which is why I asked him, however, before anyone gets shirty................ It doesn't prove anything and still goes into the files of PURE SPECULATION.

The conversation...with Mr Orange.... as I recall went something like this;

Me: "Realise Marco has been asked a million times but i'm dying to know if he was actually offered the DT gig"
Mr Orange "I couldn't possibly answer that" whilst nodding to me.
"You've just seen Marco play, would you offer him the gig ?"
Me: "He's absolutely incredible yeah definitely" (I could hardly say no)
Mr Orange "Look it doesn't matter now, all that matters is that Marco is free to make incredible music with a host of musicians queuing up to work with him"

I then did get a chance to ask Marco but after that response from Mr Orange.......I thought best to leave it.

So due to me not being pushy enough, we are none the wiser, still all speculation.....sorry guys but I did try.

[phentalmyst]

i feel like you're trying to drive home a point that can't be properly validated. until someone here has a first hand conversation with marco then i'm not buying it. period. and even then, i'd want confirmation from the band...which i doubt we'll ever get.

[Bill Carson]

I've been a bit vague about where I've heard certain things (my apologies) because, as i've found out, its not easy to post stuff that you've in effect heard in confidence.
But at the same time I was too excited to not say anything.

In terms of validating this, then you are right and also the thing to note is.....
Marco's perspective on how he saw events may be very different to how DT saw them.
i.e DT may of sounded Marco and Mike both out about working with other bands. And from that their choice was made easier but, they may of gone for Mike regardless.

But its a fun topic which is what this board is about, right ? Otherwise we would only ever discuss what the band thinks.

[slycordinator]

In terms of validating this, then you are right and also the thing to note is.....
Marco's perspective on how he saw events may be very different to how DT saw them.
i.e DT may of sounded Marco and Mike both out about working with other bands. And from that their choice was made easier but, they may of gone for Mike regardless.

It's more like in terms of validating this, we can't confirm that you aren't making everything up. Marco's perspective has nothing to do with it at this point.

[Bill Carson]

Since i'm uncomfortable to name names I can understand how it is perceived. Point conceeded.