Andy Wallace. Would You Welcome Him Back to Mix DT 12?

[SystematicThought]

Should DT use Andy Wallace on the next album?

I think so. He did a pretty good job here and maybe the drums will be a bit higher next time around.


I have a feeling this thread will be shit on....

[chrisbDTM]

i dont have a problem with the mix at all. so yea

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Yeah.

[Infinite Cactus]

Totally. Especially since he did a good job and he would have the familiarity of working with them.

[zepp-head]

Absolutely.

[Metrovarium]

I think it'd be pretty cool if he produced the album as well. JP's not bad, but he doesn't have the experience that someone like Andy Wallace has. I'd love a DT album with the production of FII or Awake and the quality of ADTOE.

[Priest of Syrinx]

The mix isn't exactly to my taste, but it's better than some other efforts, so I'd rather have Andy Wallace than JP.

[ReaPsTA]

God yes.  The stuff Wallace does is beyond incredible.

[johncal]

Only if he promises a ball hair more on the drums

[JasonScandopolous]

yeah id take his mix, with a bit more drums (specifically toms and related sounds).

[OsMosis2259]

Hell yeah

[SystematicThought]

What about Ted Jensen mastering the album?

[lumpy33]

i find the mix on this new album to be too thin.  it's got no balls.  the first time i heard these new incredible riffs, i found myself thinking, "oh - that's all they're giving me on this album?"  just to make sure i wasn't crazy, i went back and checked out this dying soul on train of thought and the glass prison on 6 degrees.  there's definitely more deep end in the guitar crunch and the bass drum.  ya know - balls.

[Jamesman42]

The guy makes an awesome album mix. he mixed SOAD's CD's as well, and I love the mix on those.

[Priest of Syrinx]

What about Ted Jensen mastering the album?

Just took a quick peek at his oeuvre, don't see that he'd be an upgrade over Wallace.

[Priest of Syrinx]

i find the mix on this new album to be too thin.  it's got no balls.  the first time i heard these new incredible riffs, i found myself thinking, "oh - that's all they're giving me on this album?"  just to make sure i wasn't crazy, i went back and checked out this dying soul on train of thought and the glass prison on 6 degrees.  there's definitely more deep end in the guitar crunch and the bass drum.  ya know - balls.

I think DT was intentionally going for a slightly less metally production.

[SystematicThought]

What about Ted Jensen mastering the album?

Just took a quick peek at his oeuvre, don't see that he'd be an upgrade over Wallace.

Jensen mastered the album, Wallace mixed it

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Absolutely.

[Priest of Syrinx]

What about Ted Jensen mastering the album?

Just took a quick peek at his oeuvre, don't see that he'd be an upgrade over Wallace.

Jensen mastered the album, Wallace mixed it

I thought you meant to say "mixed", but you really did mean "mastered", eh?  My bad.

[7StringedBeast]

I'd be cool with Wallace mixing another album.

[ResultsMayVary]

Yes.

[Tunnel Vision]

Yep!

[BlobVanDam]

I prefer Andy Wallace's mix overall to Northfield. Northfield wasn't bad, but he didn't handle the bass guitar's full register very well, so even when JM was cranked he would disappear in the upper range.

I still don't think ADTOE has the greatest mix or production though. It doesn't have any character to me. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, it just makes it a bit plain, and I like DT to have more.

I would love to hear Kevin Shirley mix a new DT album. He handled all of DT's best and most distinctive sounding albums. He has been a bit too guitar heavy and keyboard light in the past, although I think that may have had as much to do with MP as anything else. But I want another DT album that sounds as good as SDOIT.

[Priest of Syrinx]

I prefer Andy Wallace's mix overall to Northfield. Northfield wasn't bad, but he didn't handle the bass guitar's full register very well, so even when JM was cranked he would disappear in the upper range.

I still don't think ADTOE has the greatest mix or production though. It doesn't have any character to me. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, it just makes it a bit plain, and I like DT to have more.

I would love to hear Kevin Shirley mix a new DT album. He handled all of DT's best and most distinctive sounding albums. He has been a bit too guitar heavy and keyboard light in the past, although I think that may have had as much to do with MP as anything else. But I want another DT album that sounds as good as SDOIT.

Kevin Shirley... works for me! 

I'll throw another Rush-related name out there: Terry Brown, as the producer.  Not that that would ever happen, of course...

[JohnnyLayne]

Absolutely yes! But, Kevin Shirley on the desk would be just plain awesome, he did the best mixes for DT, and if I can remember, the deal with the caveman not working again with DT was more a MP thing than anything, so...   

[tri.ad]

I'd love to see Andy Wallace mixing the next DT album. Kevin Shirley would be nice as well, though.

[nikatapi]

Andy Wallace did a good job, it would be great to have him mix the next album.
I just hope for more dynamic mastering next time.

[ReaPsTA]

Something that's very under-appreciated in this thread is how much of an impact the recording of an album has on its final sound.  I think Wallace did an incredible job mixing this album.  I don't think any other DT mix has dynamics this well done (obviously the master affects it a bit).  But when I listen to it I can really tell that Northfield/JP's approach to recording the album left a huge mark on the sound.  All of the instruments have a very full range of frequencies while still sounding heavily processed.  Unless JP told Wallace to mix the album a very specific way that's completely different from every other Andy Wallace mix (not impossible, but unlikely), it seems like that on ADTOE Wallace didn't really have the ability to make what you'd consider an Andy Wallace mix (something like Avenged Sevenfold's Nightmare).

Basically, what I'm saying is that if you don't like the aesthetic of the album, it has very little to do with the creative choices Wallace made while mixing it.

EDIT:  Technically speaking though, Wallace did have a huge impact.  The balancing of the elements is incredibly well done.

[?]

Andy did good job on the mixing of the album, all the instruments can be heard well and sound good, so yes.

[Chrissalix]

Yep. ADTOE's mix was nicely balanced.

[senecadawg2]

Yes

[Liberation]

I like the way ADTOE sounds but I'd just like a bit sharper guitar sound. Everything sounds very soft and smooth on the album, and I love a more rough sound in the heavier parts (e.g. look at The Test That Stumped Them All, that's how I love my heavy riffs). Although I also admit I'm not an expert (to say the least) in this department and not sure how much this is affected by the mix and production.

However, overall it's definitely fine and the softer parts sound flawless.

[lumpy33]

I love a more rough sound in the heavier parts (e.g. look at The Test That Stumped Them All, that's how I love my heavy riffs).

amen, brother.

[ariich]

Definitely, I love the mix on ADTOE.

[Millais]

yes he did a great job. excluding BITS, where the drums could have been slightly louder, each track was perfect