MP about I&W and ADTOE connection

[hefdaddy42]

i misread the whole text...i thought he was talking about DT in a positive way!! please delete this thread if it´s the opposite...don´t want it to be a MP bashing thread!! Mike is THE drummer...Whatever he said or done!! DT is right now on a "i just broke up with my girlfriend and can f"ck whoever i want" It feels great at first...´till they realised that what they had before was better...and then they go backr!! or not...whatever

Are you a crazy person?

[Progmetty]

[kartmaze2]

DT is still awesome, and MP needs to



without coming up with condescending remarks.

[Edan the Man]

(stolen from 5/8 user epicpwn)

[zipporaid]

I hope that Thiago dude doesnt get to listen AC/DC because his head will song-structure asplode!

Or Lennon McCartney.

Honestly I give a shit that they reworked their breakthrough album.  I think it's a neat idea, and it's not like
there aren't 1,000,000 different notes and words, themes etc.  Honestly this is one of the first albums
that they (to my knowledge yet) haven't reprised some musical theme or melody from the past.

Maybe doing the whole album structure was their way of tipping their hat to MP, who knows? 

And without Thiago's dissection, who really cares?  Pornoy says he noticed immediately,
I don't chart out DT music enough to know.   And even knowing about it now, it's still hard
for me to A / B it in my head.  Nor do I really care to.

Here's an interseting post from mp.com:

    Portnoy



    Well done Thiago....great post and spot on!
    I *immediately* noticed everything you wrote about upon my first listen...
    and found it all incredibly strange...

    If they are indeed intentional "nuggets", then I guess that's a pretty cool idea...
    However, if they were desperate attempts of secretly re-writing the past...hmm, maybe not so much...
    I guess only they will know the real reason for it....




I'd say this is the least desperate DT album in years.

ETA: some of the comments on RR's Blabbermouth are pretty funny.
One said "it does sound like images and words... there are no #%@ portnoy backup vocals"  lol....

   
"So the guy who was the supposed musical director of the band when they started writing music with near constant call backs to the past, the creator of the AA suite that is one CONSTANT call back to their past, and the guy most behind the band sounding like other bands, is now getting on Dream Theater for...making call backs to their past."

[PetFish]

Mike Portnoy is now officially an idiot in my book.  I've looked over everything up until this latest statement from him.  I am unbelievably sad at how childishly he's acting.  It's a damn shame.

[kartmaze2]

(stolen from 5/8 user epicpwn)

I U

[Adami]

I read that comparison, and listened to the songs.  And while some of the things he said had merit, some others are very forced.  And frankly, I think MP is being somewhat disingenuous when he says that he noticed it right off the bat.

Possibly, but given what we know of his personality and his situation, it's very possible and even possibly likely that he listened to the album with the intent of finding something wrong with it.

I think it's more likely that he didn't notice anything until reading that guy's article, and then he used that for artillery.

We could both be right.

[alexofsweden]

i misread the whole text...i thought he was talking about DT in a positive way!! please delete this thread if it´s the opposite...don´t want it to be a MP bashing thread!! Mike is THE drummer...Whatever he said or done!! DT is right now on a "i just broke up with my girlfriend and can f"ck whoever i want" It feels great at first...´till they realised that what they had before was better...and then they go backr!! or not...whatever

Are you a crazy person?

haha, i guess

[TheKillingHand]

Oh right, but it was ok to create a song that was 99% a medley of older songs?  (The Shattered Fortress)

So what if a few of the songs work off a similar structure to I&W songs. The actual music sounds absolutely nothing similar to I&W.

Better to take inspiration off a great album of their own than Metallica and Muse.

[Adami]

Oh right, but it was ok to create a song that was 99% a medley of older songs?  (The Shattered Fortress)

So what if a few of the songs work off a similar structure. The actual music sounds absolutely nothing similar to I&W.

Better to take inspiration off a great album of their own than Metallica and Muse.

TSF thing isn't fair, that song was overtly linked to the songs it had in it. ADTOE isn't overtly linked to I&W. Now if it had actually been called I&W 2 or something, then it could be see as intentional and fine.

[OsMosis2259]

hhahahaha omg.

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163086

[gmillerdrake]

Mike Portnoy is now officially an idiot in my book.  I've looked over everything up until this latest statement from him.  I am unbelievably sad at how childishly he's acting.  It's a damn shame.

Pretty much my exact train of thought. Jealous much Mike? I told a buddy that i thought that the entire saga and drama of the 'split' was pretty much over, that both sides were saying they are now past it but it's pretty clear that MP is never going to get over this or let the issue die. It seems he's set on making sure everyone is stays as miserable as it appears he is, or at least he wants to try to. It's more and more apparent that he regrets leaving even if he wants to pretend he doesn't.

[Adami]

a Dream Theater album with 'A Change of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning to Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison' all on one album.

Regarding the last DT album. A little ironic.

[Super Dude]

His way of dealing with this so far has been entirely immature.  What a shame.

[Pyroph]

(stolen from 5/8 user epicpwn)

edit it and put sunglasses on james anyways. And make his come down last and really slow. Then put deal with it.

[kartmaze2]

*snip*

edit it and put sunglasses on james anyways. And make his come down last and really slow. Then put deal with it.

DO IT!

[chrisbDTM]

so regarding the thread from last week about DT fans turning their back on MP

yes i have finally turned. this man is just lolworthy.

[Miyazaki74]

I still don't get why so many of you get all worked up when MP says something about the band. It's not like he's personally attacking you. Anyways whatever, the new album is absolutely fucking incredible.

[Perpetual Change]

I read that comparison, and listened to the songs.  And while some of the things he said had merit, some others are very forced.  And frankly, I think MP is being somewhat disingenuous when he says that he noticed it right off the bat.

Why do I keep agreeing with the Hefdaddy lately?

But yeah, this is correct. The songs may be structurally similar to songs on Images, but melodically they sound nothing alike.

[Nighthawkwill7]

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Portnoy

Well done Thiago....great post and spot on!
I *immediately* noticed everything you wrote about upon my first listen...
and found it all incredibly strange... 

If they are indeed intentional "nuggets", then I guess that's a pretty cool idea...
However, if they were desperate attempts of secretly re-writing the past...hmm, maybe not so much...
I guess only they will know the real reason for it....

 
u mad, bro?

Username: Todd

Trolling MP on his own forum   

Seriously though, I don't think Mike was bashing ADTOE, just commenting on the other member's analysis. For all we know, MP might dig the new DT (Never'd admit it though.)

[chrisbDTM]

a Dream Theater album with 'A Change of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning to Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison' all on one album.

Regarding the last DT album. A little ironic.

lol good find. i wish someone would post that on his boards

[Captainchaos204]

my thought on MP's post:

eh..

[Pinga]

I read that comparison, and listened to the songs.  And while some of the things he said had merit, some others are very forced.  And frankly, I think MP is being somewhat disingenuous when he says that he noticed it right off the bat.

Why do I keep agreeing with the Hefdaddy lately?

But yeah, this is correct. The songs may be structurally similar to songs on Images, but melodically they sound nothing alike.

Precisely. And besides, he's being extremely hypocritical. Didn't most (if not all) DT epics under his guidance feature similar structures with the predictable reprise at the end? (SDOIT, Octavarium, ITPOE, TCOT, TBOT) And, also, don't most of the songs from the same period feature the extremely predictable intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-ohlookaunison structure? I'm glad that they're doing unpredictable songs again, for one. And he should just man up and deal with it already. He left the band. It was his decision. The other guys aren't evil for not allowing their careers to be sunk by the whims of a single member.

[chrisbDTM]

mike must be getting very mad over his forum members. most of them arent agreeing with him, and that's definitely a problem. some are even trololoing.

waiting for the MP followup

[InertSolo]

I think Portnoy would know structural similarities between this new material and the stuff he wrote that people are comparing it to when he hears it. But the 12 step suite similarities and having an album full of structure similarities from a previous work isn't the same thing. The AA suite was specifically built around certain recurring themes so of course there's going to be similarities here and there. Not saying this is a bad thing at all for ADTOE because within a structure there are tons of ways you can go about creating a song that will make it something entirely different.

On one hand I can understand why Portnoy would comment like he did, but on the other that's the kind of stuff you have to word pretty carefully. After everything that has happened with hungry journalists always looking for the next headlines at the drop of the hat, he should've known better. Some people just need to get of their self-righteous high-horses and stop judging the guy.

[Ben_Jamin]

What a way to take "Reworking the Past" out of context. He doesn't know, if it was a nugget or what I quoted, that's what some people thought as well, not just MP. So "Reworking the past" wasn't a stab at DT, more just the black and white, up and down of not knowing their intentions.

[TheKillingHand]

After everything that has happened with hungry journalists always looking for the next headlines at the drop of the hat, he should've known better.

He definitely knew that this would go straight to Blabbermouth...how many times has this happened in the past year? He's just stirring up more shit

[Ben_Jamin]

MP is now officially a DT fan, posting on forums about things that don't matter.

[InertSolo]

He definitely knew that this would go straight to Blabbermouth...how many times has this happened in the past year? He's just stirring up more shit

Which is why I said he should've known better but let's be honest for a second; why exactly would he try to stir up shit with a comment like that which is surely to get him bad press? There's no possible way he could've just been stating his opinion on the subject the poster brought up regarding the song structures?

[yorost]

I read that comparison, and listened to the songs.  And while some of the things he said had merit, some others are very forced.  And frankly, I think MP is being somewhat disingenuous when he says that he noticed it right off the bat.

Yeah, I had to laugh at his emphasis of 'first; listen and noticing everything.

[Pinga]

He definitely knew that this would go straight to Blabbermouth...how many times has this happened in the past year? He's just stirring up more shit

Which is why I said he should've known better but let's be honest for a second; why exactly would he try to stir up shit with a comment like that which is surely to get him bad press? There's no possible way he could've just been stating his opinion on the subject the poster brought up regarding the song structures?

Because he just likes any kind of attention?

[TheKillingHand]

He definitely knew that this would go straight to Blabbermouth...how many times has this happened in the past year? He's just stirring up more shit

Which is why I said he should've known better but let's be honest for a second; why exactly would he try to stir up shit with a comment like that which is surely to get him bad press? There's no possible way he could've just been stating his opinion on the subject the poster brought up regarding the song structures?

Maybe he just sees press as press...good or bad. It gets his name on the music websites, and puts a bit of negativity on DT around the release day (plus he does seem to be intentionally plugging other releases of the same date)

[Slain]

I wonder if any of the DT guys will comment on this, or just leave it alone. I can see some similarities in structure, but that doesn't take anything away from the album at all. I doubt that JP and JR would admit to using the same structures as some of the I&W songs, because I'm not sure it was intentional. It does seem as if he is trying to take a stab at the band though, because when he wanted to take a break I believe that one of the reasons was that he didn't want DT to become stale, and in his eyes he said that the album could be a "re-hash".

[Perpetual Change]

MP is now officially a DT fan, posting on forums about things that don't matter.

QFT