RR Record Contract

[jmbeat]

If I'm not mistaken ADTOE completes the contract with Roadrunner, Will DT re-sign?  Discuss.

[TL]

No.
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Edit: Whoops, misread re-sign as resign.

[jmbeat]

No.
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Wow that was fast, do you know something we don't?

[robwebster]

Resign? They've done better off the past five years than they had the twenty prior. They'd be mad to.

They'll be given the option to renew the contract, and they'll bite the label's arm off at the shoulder. They're on a label that understands them, that values them, and that lavishes them with all of the promotion that a band of their stature can really thrive off.

Very confident of it.

[Riceball]

Yeah, it just wouldn't make sense for them to leave; and it wouldn't make sense for RR to not re-sign them. They give the label a bit more stature and prestige, IMO.

[cfmoran13]

Just my opinion but I think that there is less of a chance of them leaving now that Mike is no longer in the band.  Had he still been in the band and steering the ship, perhaps they would've tried the internet-only method of distributing their new music or some other creative alternative method of getting their music out there.  With the music industry (album sales, anyway) being as shitty as it is these days, I think more and more artists are going to look for alternative means rather than relying on labels and "brick and mortar" stores.

[GasparXR]

I think some people got confused. he said re-sign, as in "renew", not resign. XD

I don't think they will RR has been good to them thus far.

[ricky]

yeah robbie is right. id be surprised if they sign with someone else.

[Jarlaxle]

Just my opinion but I think that there is less of a chance of them leaving now that Mike is no longer in the band.  Had he still been in the band and steering the ship, perhaps they would've tried the internet-only method of distributing their new music or some other creative alternative method of getting their music out there.  With the music industry (album sales, anyway) being as shitty as it is these days, I think more and more artists are going to look for alternative means rather than relying on labels and "brick and mortar" stores.

But speaking only about Dream Theater, their album sales are better now then they have ever been, right?

[ReaPsTA]

Doubtful.  Roadrunner promotes them pretty well.

[slycordinator]

But speaking only about Dream Theater, their album sales are better now then they have ever been, right?

No. Images and Words is their best-selling album to-date.

[Jarlaxle]

But speaking only about Dream Theater, their album sales are better now then they have ever been, right?

No. Images and Words is their best-selling album to-date.

It's also been out forever. If I remember correctly, Black Clouds got to #6 on the charts.

[lucky7]

I hope they do stay with Roadrunner, as they only started touring Australia once with them.

Also off topic has anyone noticed someone in Japan is trying to sell a copy of the new cd already on ebay.....probably used that cover and it is Awake or some other cd.

[Adami]

I hope they do stay with Roadrunner, as they only started touring Australia once with them.

Also off topic has anyone noticed someone in Japan is trying to sell a copy of the new cd already on ebay.....probably used that cover and it is Awake or some other cd.

I found a guy selling it from Japan on Ebay, but he's just taking pre-orders and won't ship it till it's released.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

They're probably staying. DT's one of RR's big bands. DT wins, RR wins.

[ResultsMayVary]

I thought DT had two more releases on RR after ADTOE? Wasn't their deal with RR a 5-album when they signed right before the release of SC?

[tri.ad]

I don't think that they will change the record company. RR is way more supportive towards them than the labels under which they were signed before, so it wouldn't be a very good move, to be honest.

[Aniland]

Are you people confusing re-sign (continue onward) with resign (calling in the towel)?

[GasparXR]

Are you people confusing re-sign (continue onward) with resign (calling in the towel)?

I already mentioned that.

[ariich]

Apparently everyone ignored you.

[hefdaddy42]

But speaking only about Dream Theater, their album sales are better now then they have ever been, right?

No. Images and Words is their best-selling album to-date.

True, but that was their lightning in a bottle.

[obscure]

I'd be surprised too if they didn't re-sign... or resigned... whatever...lol...

RR did a very good job....
I was amazed when this happened....
"An album with four songs over 12 minutes in the US Top 10? Hell must've frozen over!  This is one small step for Dream Theater, and one giant leap for music in general." Mike Portnoy

[Madman Shepherd]

What if they accidentally resign thinking they were simply re-signing?  I'm scared.  Do you think we should start a petition so that they are aware of the difference? 

[Zydar]

What if they accidentally resign thinking they were simply re-signing?  I'm scared.  Do you think we should start a petition so that they are aware of the difference? 

[olliemedsy]

i think they should go to mechanic records

[slycordinator]

But speaking only about Dream Theater, their album sales are better now then they have ever been, right?

No. Images and Words is their best-selling album to-date.

It's also been out forever. If I remember correctly, Black Clouds got to #6 on the charts.

That's the point. How well they're selling isn't based on one week only...

[robwebster]

No, but an album with a twenty year vintage beating an album with a two year vintage on sales doesn't mean it's selling better.

It's like if me and Usain Bolt went for a sprint, and he gave me a 45 second head start. I could perfectly fairly claim to have won the race, but I'm not running faster than him at any point in time.

BCSL sold like hotcakes in its first few weeks. Images and Words has been selling like lukewarm cakes over twenty years.

[ReaPsTA]

No, but an album with a twenty year vintage beating an album with a two year vintage on sales doesn't mean it's selling better.

It's like if me and Usain Bolt went for a sprint, and he gave me a 45 second head start. I could perfectly fairly claim to have won the race, but I'm not running faster than him at any point in time.

BCSL sold like hotcakes in its first few weeks. Images and Words has been selling like lukewarm cakes over twenty years.

I have to completely disagree with you for two reasons:

- Selling records is  marathon, not a sprint.  In no way can you ever possibly say that BCSL is a more successfully selling record than I&W, DT's only gold record, which achieved the certification within months of release.

- BCSL was released in a triple-disc edition, which vastly inflates the sales numbers since one special edition counts as three sales (standard disc, covers disc, instrumental disc).  I&W's never had this advantage

[ariich]

since one special edition counts as three sales (standard disc, covers disc, instrumental disc).

What? I'm 99% certain it doesn't.

And yes it's a marathon, but BC&SL hasn't had 20 years to sell yet, so there is simply no way to compare them.

[KevShmev]

Okay, but there is a cumulative effect going on here.  I&W had to sell strictly on the strength of itself, since DT really had no prior selling history (unless we are counting the 84 people who bought WDADU prior to 1992 ).  BC&SL sold well largely because of how well the Dream Theater name and brand has been built up for nearly 20 years now.  Just like the new album will likely have fantastic first week sales, too.

[ReaPsTA]

since one special edition counts as three sales (standard disc, covers disc, instrumental disc).

What? I'm 99% certain it doesn't.

And yes it's a marathon, but BC&SL hasn't had 20 years to sell yet, so there is simply no way to compare them.

"Multi-disc

Multi-disc albums are counted once for each disc within the album if it is over 100 minutes in length or is from the vinyl era. For example, each copy of OutKast's Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (running time of 134:56), and Shania Twain's Up! (145:44), both double albums, were counted twice, meaning each album was certified diamond after 5 million copies were shipped. Pink Floyd's The Wall and The Beatles' White Album, both vinyl-era, are counted double even though their running times are under the minimum requirement."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_certification

I don't see how they can't be compared.  I&W went gold with only one disc, BCSL hasn't.

[ariich]

@Kev: Indeed, and that's another reason that making a comparison between the two is meaningless.

@Reap: That's about double albums, it says nothing about bonus discs or special editions.

[BlobVanDam]

Comparing album sales of any album from 1992 to an album of 2009 is not going to mean much. The music business has changed, and album sales are not what they used to be. A DT album going gold today would mean a lot more than a DT album going gold back in 1992. Not to take anything away from the accomplishment of IaW, of course. It's still impressive.

[ReaPsTA]

@Kev: Indeed, and that's another reason that making a comparison between the two is meaningless.

@Reap: That's about double albums, it says nothing about bonus discs or special editions.

The RIAA system is purely a measurement of discs sold.

[Jamesman42]

I bet if we put our minds to it guys, we could make it a meaningful comparison.