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JR: New album will be mixed by Andy Wallace

Started by pianoman, May 24, 2011, 08:14:38 AM

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jdprsaga

I don't agree with some of the people here saying Nightmare sounds great... i can't stand it .. the guitars sounds so bad and bright and annoying that i just can't listen to the album any more.. just my two cents...

altho i'm not sure if that is the engineer job or the mixers job.


DarkLord_Lalinc

I'd say the recording is the most important part of it all. I mean, a good signal makes a mixer's job much easier. Mixers are in charge of making every instrument have its own place in the mix and pull details and such.

jdprsaga

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 24, 2011, 11:43:29 AM
I'd say the recording is the most important part of it all. I mean, a good signal makes a mixer's job much easier. Mixers are in charge of making every instrument have its own place in the mix and pull details and such.

Thats what i think too, thanks for clarify it to me ;).. thats why i think nightmare annoying guitar sound was the engineer fault while recording. The mixer couldn't do anything to fix it.

Mladen

Wow, he mixed some great sounding albums, it's impressive that he worked with Slipknot, but also Paul McCartney. Sounds very nice.  :)

Orbert

ReaPsTA, I want to have your children.



I mean, just for a little while.  Bring 'em by sometime, and we'll have ice cream sandwiches.

FretMuppet

Okay, n00b question here...

What's the difference between mixing, mastering and production, I tried to catch on but its not working out  :-\
:facepalm: I know...

Zook

He mixed Disturbed's first 2 albums so I'm happy. Oh, and Reapsta, it's just ''The Sickness''.

7StringedBeast

Quote from: FretMuppet on May 24, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
Okay, n00b question here...

What's the difference between mixing, mastering and production, I tried to catch on but its not working out  :-\
:facepalm: I know...


Mixing is taking all the recorded tracks and putting them together with levels, panning, eq, and effects.  Making them all become one coherent mix of instruments.  Mastering, is taking the flattened stereo track and applying eq and compression and getting it ready to go to the CD.  It's the finalization of the mixes.

Production is the way in which the album was recorded.  What instruments, what microphones, what room, and little tricks etc etc

DarkLord_Lalinc

Quote from: FretMuppet on May 24, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
Okay, n00b question here...

What's the difference between mixing, mastering and production, I tried to catch on but its not working out  :-\
:facepalm: I know...


Production can be taken from a musical or a technical point of view. It can be either the musical production of the music or the process it takes to record such music. Mixing is applying EQs, compressors, effects, etc. to each track so they can blend together. Mastering is the process in which you apply global effects to the collection of songs (the album), you make sure everything sounds pretty much the same, and you get the music ready to reproduction.

ReaPsTA

Quote from: Zook on May 24, 2011, 12:12:06 PM
He mixed Disturbed's first 2 albums so I'm happy. Oh, and Reapsta, it's just ''The Sickness''.

Whoop.  You're right.

Ben_Jamin

This is gonna sound good. Loved the way Untouchables sounds, it has a certain feel the other KoRn albums don't.

Zook

One of the things that bothered me the most when I was a Disturbed fanboy was people getting the album name wrong. You got off easy, Reap. :P what program do you use for mixing? We pretty much do everything in Audacity, but I'm really not versed in compression and all that stuff.

FretMuppet

Quote from: 7StringedBeast on May 24, 2011, 12:15:34 PM

Mixing is taking all the recorded tracks and putting them together with levels, panning, eq, and effects.  Making them all become one coherent mix of instruments.  Mastering, is taking the flattened stereo track and applying eq and compression and getting it ready to go to the CD.  It's the finalization of the mixes.

Production is the way in which the album was recorded.  What instruments, what microphones, what room, and little tricks etc etc


Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 24, 2011, 12:17:37 PM

Production can be taken from a musical or a technical point of view. It can be either the musical production of the music or the process it takes to record such music. Mixing is applying EQs, compressors, effects, etc. to each track so they can blend together. Mastering is the process in which you apply global effects to the collection of songs (the album), you make sure everything sounds pretty much the same, and you get the music ready to reproduction.

Thanks! Now I can fit in  ;D

In that case, I quite like Andy's work, Nightmare was quite a well made, fresh-sounding album. The volume of the instruments in relation to each other are near enough perfect.

But yeah, I hope we don't have that loudness war problem like with most albums these days

Metabog

#48
Willing to bet the next album will have a modern Djenty tone.

FretMuppet


Zook

Because we don't have enough of that shit already...

MajorMatt

Quote from: Metabog on May 24, 2011, 01:02:17 PM
Willing to be the next album will have a modern Djenty tone.

Oh please, no!  :tdwn

ZBomber

He mixed Evil Empire? Good enough for me!

Metabog

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Quote from: MajorMatt on May 24, 2011, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: Metabog on May 24, 2011, 01:02:17 PM
Willing to be the next album will have a modern Djenty tone.

Oh please, no!  :tdwn

I know right? But a lot of bands have jumped on that bandwagon recently.

:edit -> Lol, just realized how stupid my original post sounded, as I had a typographical error. I didn't say I WANT it to have a djenty tone, that would be the worst thing in the world.

SystematicThought

Usually Northfield does the mixing, he did an okay job with it. Now I'm excited to see a fresh face doing the mixing and Andy has a great resume. I am definately excited

He also mixed Rush's Test For Echo. That album sounded pretty good

jdprsaga

Looks like somebody is having fun in Andy Wallace wiki with the name of the new DT album... unless i missed something.


Zook

Galexia - The Generic Rock Album (2011) m
Dream Theater - Guandi and Turbo (2011) m

5/8 much?

fadetoblackdude7

Oh dear, I am ever so excited! This is gonna be one of the BEST DT records!  :metal

Dellers

#58
This guy better turn up the bass 10 dB (and Myung better start using a more clean tone to avoid blending too much in with the guitar). If the bass gets buried like in the last couple of records I NEED to get my hands on some stems to make it sound decent. Listened to some Systematic Chaos in the car today, and it didn't really sound good at all there. Had to turn the bass up a lot (and treble a bit down), and even then the only thing particularly audible was the bass drum. When I bring the latest Jamiroquai record to the same car I sometimes have to turn the bass down... Let's hope Andy does this closer to RATM's first record than DT's last few.

Quote from: jdprsaga on May 24, 2011, 11:38:07 AM
I don't agree with some of the people here saying Nightmare sounds great... i can't stand it .. the guitars sounds so bad and bright and annoying that i just can't listen to the album any more.. just my two cents...

altho i'm not sure if that is the engineer job or the mixers job.
Shit in = shit out. You just can't make gold out of granite. Not that I'm familiar with the record, but that's how it generally works.

reneranucci

This means nothing to me. I don't expect any significant departure from an overcompressed sound, JR being muddy and JM being absent from the mix.

Raziel666

Quote from: SystematicThought on May 24, 2011, 01:28:47 PM
Usually Northfield does the mixing, he did an okay job with it.

Northfield mixed just SC and BCSL. So that doesn't qualify for "usually". And, to these ears, he didn't do an okay job with it.

I guess the one that has mixed the most albums, is Kevin Shirley! ;)

Perpetual Change

Well, now at least if Dream Theater's new record is over compressed it will still sound as good as all the other overcompressed metal albums which are out nowadays. Which is something DT have never really been able to say.

TheMadgician

Quote from: reneranucci on May 24, 2011, 02:00:56 PM
This means nothing to me. I don't expect any significant departure from an overcompressed sound, JR being muddy and JM being absent from the mix.

Someone completely new with a completely different style and approach will yield exactly the same results? Makes sense.

SystematicThought

Quote from: Raziel666 on May 24, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: SystematicThought on May 24, 2011, 01:28:47 PM
Usually Northfield does the mixing, he did an okay job with it.

Northfield mixed just SC and BCSL. So that doesn't qualify for "usually". And, to these ears, he didn't do an okay job with it.

I guess the one that has mixed the most albums, is Kevin Shirley! ;)
Okay, pardon the" usually", simple mistake  ;)

BC&SL was a bit better compared to SC, not much, but better, he did an okay job to me, far from great, simply OK.

7StringedBeast


IronEarthTheater

Every so often I read a thread that confirms three things for me:
1) DT and its fans are unlike almost any other band.
2) This forum is unlike almost any other forum.
3) Despite listening to music for 25+ years and owning hundreds of CD's, I know nothing about music.

This is one of those threads. 

But carry on... my excitement is growing...

Gorille85

Hmm I don't know the guy but all of those albums are very well mixed so  :tup

carl320

I'm excited about this (hell everything I've heard about DT11 is exciting).

And Chaos A.D. was mixed by Wallace?   :metal

LCArenas

Chaos A.D., South of Heaven, Good Apollo Volume I, Viva La Vida and SPECIALLY Thirteenth Step are really, REALLY well mixed. This can bring really good things to the album. Thrilled as fuck for the next album :caffeine:

voncorn

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