New Mangini Video

purpleplanet10 · May 24, 2011, 02:25:24 PM

I play a Pearl Masters Custom, and they sound great. I'm stoked to see a Pearl kit on the DT stage! I can't wait to see his touring kit!

JPX · May 24, 2011, 02:53:11 PM

Quote from: darkshot on May 21, 2011, 10:56:18 PM
Great now I'm going to be thinking of ways for them to incorporate the Fibonacci sequence into their music... The Petrucci Sequence?

Tool already did on the title track off Lateralus.

dongringo · May 24, 2011, 09:56:11 PM

This MM melodic tom tom solo is just awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE

atmyne · May 24, 2011, 10:58:49 PM

Quote from: dongringo on May 24, 2011, 09:56:11 PM
This MM melodic tom tom solo is just awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE

anyone who still maintains any doubt about Mangini being the new drummer should definitely watch this.

The Silent Cody · May 24, 2011, 11:58:37 PM

Quote from: dongringo on May 24, 2011, 09:56:11 PM
This MM melodic tom tom solo is just awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE

we got some serious speedy moves here my Friends

jonny108 · May 25, 2011, 02:00:33 AM

Quote from: dongringo on May 24, 2011, 09:56:11 PM
This MM melodic tom tom solo is just awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE

Holy fuck

reneranucci · May 25, 2011, 09:53:27 AM

I'm very excited about DT11, but I still don't like any of the solo MM videos...

dongringo · May 25, 2011, 10:39:22 PM

Quote from: reneranucci on May 25, 2011, 09:53:27 AM
I'm very excited about DT11, but I still don't like any of the solo MM videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE

Really?

Adami · May 25, 2011, 10:45:53 PM

Quote from: reneranucci on May 25, 2011, 09:53:27 AM
I'm very excited about DT11, but I still don't like any of the solo MM videos...

How about this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZUzvTDL0I&feature=related

The Silent Cody · May 26, 2011, 08:16:39 AM

Quote from: reneranucci on May 25, 2011, 09:53:27 AM
I'm very excited about DT11, but I still don't like any of the solo MM videos...

And this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31c-FL0ZlZ0&feature=related

DarkLord_Lalinc · May 26, 2011, 08:18:20 AM

I don't think some people actually realize Mangini's solos are built around groove. He keeps them interesting without blowing full-speed like most drummers do. (Heck, I love Portnoy, but his drums solos of the later are just double bass followed by some fast playing)

gibo · May 26, 2011, 09:05:25 AM

Quote from: Adami on May 25, 2011, 10:45:53 PM
Quote from: reneranucci on May 25, 2011, 09:53:27 AM
I'm very excited about DT11, but I still don't like any of the solo MM videos...

How about this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZUzvTDL0I&feature=related

Amazing!!

reneranucci · May 26, 2011, 09:49:01 AM

Out of the batch you guys threw at me, Adami's was the best them

But my point is, if I look for Virgil Donati, Thomas Lang or Marco's videos (or even Aquiles'

) I usually like what I hear. With Mike it is very difficult to find something I like or that is really innovative and groovy, and not just very fast runs on the cymbals or the snare. Yes, he is a great fit, and I don't want to open a can of worms, but I can't help thinking they missed a big opportunity not choosing Marco.

Well, I think Minnemann with DT was too good to be true, and that such good things never happen in real life. So I'll have to settle with Mangini.

The Silent Cody · May 26, 2011, 10:14:59 AM

Quote from: reneranucci on May 26, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
Out of the batch you guys threw at me, Adami's was the best them But my point is, if I look for Virgil Donati, Thomas Lang or Marco's videos (or even Aquiles' ) I usually like what I hear. With Mike it is very difficult to find something I like or that is really innovative and groovy, and not just very fast runs on the cymbals or the snare. Yes, he is a great fit, and I don't want to open a can of worms, but I can't help thinking they missed a big opportunity not choosing Marco.

Well, I think Minnemann with DT was too good to be true, and that such good things never happen in real life. So I'll have to settle with Mangini.

I was kinda same feel when I watched The Auditions, but I was sad that Wildoer or Aquiles were not chosen, some young blood could bring some awesome effects for us

But, Mangini is a great drummer, great fits, and now I think, even with look at my last words, that MM is perfect choice.

LTE3 · May 26, 2011, 10:23:54 AM

Quote from: reneranucci on May 26, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
Out of the batch you guys threw at me, Adami's was the best them But my point is, if I look for Virgil Donati, Thomas Lang or Marco's videos (or even Aquiles' ) I usually like what I hear. With Mike it is very difficult to find something I like or that is really innovative and groovy, and not just very fast runs on the cymbals or the snare. Yes, he is a great fit, and I don't want to open a can of worms, but I can't help thinking they missed a big opportunity not choosing Marco.

Well, I think Minnemann with DT was too good to be true, and that such good things never happen in real life. So I'll have to settle with Mangini.

Mike admitted in an interview following the auditions that he was not pulling out his chops and his focus was only on playing the songs, he also admitted to not putting himself out there enough with videos to show case his abilities. I think we will all be in for a surprise when we see him live. Even you the only chic fan will will sit there with the slack jawed gaze of true insanity to quote Neal Peart

reneranucci · May 26, 2011, 10:45:08 AM

Quote from: LTE3 on May 26, 2011, 10:23:54 AM
Quote from: reneranucci on May 26, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
Out of the batch you guys threw at me, Adami's was the best them But my point is, if I look for Virgil Donati, Thomas Lang or Marco's videos (or even Aquiles' ) I usually like what I hear. With Mike it is very difficult to find something I like or that is really innovative and groovy, and not just very fast runs on the cymbals or the snare. Yes, he is a great fit, and I don't want to open a can of worms, but I can't help thinking they missed a big opportunity not choosing Marco.

Well, I think Minnemann with DT was too good to be true, and that such good things never happen in real life. So I'll have to settle with Mangini.

Mike admitted in an interview following the auditions that he was not pulling out his chops and his focus was only on playing the songs, he also admitted to not putting himself out there enough with videos to show case his abilities. I think we will all be in for a surprise when we see him live. Even you the only chic fan will will sit there with the slack jawed gaze of true insanity to quote Neal Peart

I hope so

mittinagus · May 26, 2011, 11:29:33 AM

Quote from: reneranucci on May 26, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
Out of the batch you guys threw at me, Adami's was the best them But my point is, if I look for Virgil Donati, Thomas Lang or Marco's videos (or even Aquiles' ) I usually like what I hear. With Mike it is very difficult to find something I like or that is really innovative and groovy, and not just very fast runs on the cymbals or the snare. Yes, he is a great fit, and I don't want to open a can of worms, but I can't help thinking they missed a big opportunity not choosing Marco.

Well, I think Minnemann with DT was too good to be true, and that such good things never happen in real life. So I'll have to settle with Mangini.

This, exactly this...

Tin

Shumpun · May 26, 2011, 11:59:20 AM

I am new here so hello. I am a former student of Mike Mangini. I think I appreciated him more after studying him more because I realized how amazing his entire system is. When people hear a quintuplet or septuplet they usually don't understand what they are hearing when it is beamed over normal 4/4 time. Mike is really playing these clinics for other drummers so generally they are far more interesting to a fellow drummer because they notice things he is doing that are not really the normal such as these odd notes. They also may not appreciate how difficult what he is doing actually is. For example in one Vai solo- he is playing a paradiddle ostinato on his feet between the hihat and kick. It is not easy in practice but sounds fairly simple if you don't realize how hard it is.

I think on the album- people will hear his unique voice in Dream Theater- in many cases he will actually be simplifying some things so that the masses can digest it versus just other drummers. In the Vater video for example- that stuff he is playing is extremely easy to him and people seem to love it! You will have to listen carefully on the album though because I can guess he will throw in some quintuplet and septuplet fills. Just imagine a straight 16th note then a 16th triplet. Then imagine something in between those- neither triplet nor straight note but still evenly space. That is where quintuplets and septuplets come in and not many drummer play them!!! Amazing when you really get what he is doing though. I could write pages and pages about it but there is just one thought.

reneranucci · May 26, 2011, 12:16:38 PM

I just hope it sounds good, incredibly fun and entertaining, powerful and intricate, as MP's parts did.

Lowdz · May 26, 2011, 12:53:04 PM

I just hope he sounds like he fits the songs because all his videos i saw I fet like the song was a stranger to what he was playing. Whether it was clever and difficult matters not if it sounds crap in relation to the song.
He gets the benefit of the doubt until I hear some music.

The Silent Cody · May 26, 2011, 12:59:21 PM

Quote from: Shumpun on May 26, 2011, 11:59:20 AM
I am new here so hello. I am a former student of Mike Mangini. I think I appreciated him more after studying him more because I realized how amazing his entire system is. When people hear a quintuplet or septuplet they usually don't understand what they are hearing when it is beamed over normal 4/4 time. Mike is really playing these clinics for other drummers so generally they are far more interesting to a fellow drummer because they notice things he is doing that are not really the normal such as these odd notes. They also may not appreciate how difficult what he is doing actually is. For example in one Vai solo- he is playing a paradiddle ostinato on his feet between the hihat and kick. It is not easy in practice but sounds fairly simple if you don't realize how hard it is.

I think on the album- people will hear his unique voice in Dream Theater- in many cases he will actually be simplifying some things so that the masses can digest it versus just other drummers. In the Vater video for example- that stuff he is playing is extremely easy to him and people seem to love it! You will have to listen carefully on the album though because I can guess he will throw in some quintuplet and septuplet fills. Just imagine a straight 16th note then a 16th triplet. Then imagine something in between those- neither triplet nor straight note but still evenly space. That is where quintuplets and septuplets come in and not many drummer play them!!! Amazing when you really get what he is doing though. I could write pages and pages about it but there is just one thought.

Hello

Nice to meet you

We want some cool Mangini story !!

Jamesman42 · May 26, 2011, 01:37:24 PM

Quote from: Shumpun on May 26, 2011, 11:59:20 AM
I am new here so hello. I am a former student of Mike Mangini. I think I appreciated him more after studying him more because I realized how amazing his entire system is. When people hear a quintuplet or septuplet they usually don't understand what they are hearing when it is beamed over normal 4/4 time. Mike is really playing these clinics for other drummers so generally they are far more interesting to a fellow drummer because they notice things he is doing that are not really the normal such as these odd notes. They also may not appreciate how difficult what he is doing actually is. For example in one Vai solo- he is playing a paradiddle ostinato on his feet between the hihat and kick. It is not easy in practice but sounds fairly simple if you don't realize how hard it is.

I think on the album- people will hear his unique voice in Dream Theater- in many cases he will actually be simplifying some things so that the masses can digest it versus just other drummers. In the Vater video for example- that stuff he is playing is extremely easy to him and people seem to love it! You will have to listen carefully on the album though because I can guess he will throw in some quintuplet and septuplet fills. Just imagine a straight 16th note then a 16th triplet. Then imagine something in between those- neither triplet nor straight note but still evenly space. That is where quintuplets and septuplets come in and not many drummer play them!!! Amazing when you really get what he is doing though. I could write pages and pages about it but there is just one thought.

Post more, please! I'm not a drummer but I am a musician and this was great to read...it made sense and was cool to get know Mangini's technical side more.

Shumpun · May 26, 2011, 03:38:53 PM

Well I will tell one story. I was studying with him during the Elements of Persuasion album recording. He told me that he never liked the final drum sound happening in most of his session work- this is because he never had a consistent drum tech- it was a different engineer on almost every album. He was not able to have any say in the drum sound and so just as most people were not happy with it neither was he. He also said he wrote and recorded the drum parts to EOP in 2 days. So- just imagine what he can do in a month! That is how fast he had to turn things around as a session drummer.

reneranucci · May 26, 2011, 04:03:37 PM

Well, then that's why his parts aren't by any stretch as interesting as, let's say, Wildoer's work with James.

mittinagus · May 26, 2011, 06:43:25 PM

I know he's a Master at drumming and can play, write, perform, compose or whatever very complex parts and do things other drummers can't but will they sound good with the song or will they just sound complex? so far from all the videos posted here the only thing that stands out for me is speed, speed and more speed after all he was the world's fastest drummer, i'll guess we'll have to wait for the end result on the new album...

Tin

Adami · May 26, 2011, 06:45:56 PM

Quote from: mittinagus on May 26, 2011, 06:43:25 PM
I know he's a Master at drumming and can play, write, perform, compose or whatever very complex parts and do things other drummers can't but will they sound good with the song or will they just sound complex? so far from all the videos posted here the only thing that stands out for me is speed, speed and more speed after all he was the world's fastest drummer, i'll guess we'll have to wait for the end result on the new album...

Tin

Have you listened to any of JLB's first 3 cd's? The drumming is hardly about speed on that. Maybe that will show you a little bit of his softer side.

Shumpun · May 26, 2011, 06:53:58 PM

I wasn't trying to say they weren't interesting- i thought the drumming on that album was very cool. I think though that the point of James's solo albums are to showcase his vocals above all, and Mike was playing as a session player to support the music more than anything. DT11 will be different because DT is meant to showcase the virtuosity of all band members so he would not have felt overly indulgent really playing out. At the end of the day though- some people just won't like him. And I find that so funny but I am drummer so I guess I can't speak for the masses. I can't rewire my Mangini wired brain.

mittinagus · May 26, 2011, 07:01:33 PM

Quote from: Adami on May 26, 2011, 06:45:56 PM
Quote from: mittinagus on May 26, 2011, 06:43:25 PM
I know he's a Master at drumming and can play, write, perform, compose or whatever very complex parts and do things other drummers can't but will they sound good with the song or will they just sound complex? so far from all the videos posted here the only thing that stands out for me is speed, speed and more speed after all he was the world's fastest drummer, i'll guess we'll have to wait for the end result on the new album...

Tin

Have you listened to any of JLB's first 3 cd's? The drumming is hardly about speed on that. Maybe that will show you a little bit of his softer side.

Yes i have, in fact undecided and slightly out of reach are some of my favorite songs of all time, but the drums sound just awful like a drum machine and the first 2 Mullmuzler sound even worse, maybe if they sounded like static impulse that would be different...

Tin

Adami · May 26, 2011, 07:05:02 PM

I'm confused. You said all you heard from Mangini was speed speed speed, and that you didn't like that. However the Mullmuzzler albums have very little speed, meanwhile Static Impluse is almost all speedy drumming.

mittinagus · May 26, 2011, 07:13:59 PM

Don't be, i said from the videos, i just mentioned static impulse as for sound quality because in those albums the drum sound is awful in my opinion...

Tin

Adami · May 26, 2011, 07:15:19 PM

Quote from: mittinagus on May 26, 2011, 07:13:59 PM
Don't be, i said from the videos, i just mentioned static impulse as for sound quality because in those albums the drum sound is awful in my opinion...

Tin

Ohhh yes, Peter's drumming is amazing on SI, and the quality is much better than any of Mangini's contributions to James's stuff. I blame pearl.

Shumpun · May 26, 2011, 07:27:20 PM

Blame the engineer! I have two Pearl kits and love them. I love the drum sound on SI too. Very organic. If anyone can believe it, Steve Wilson mastered Fear of a Blank Planet himself because the guy they paid to master it ruined it. You also may not believe some of the best sounding PT albums the drums were recorded on a Mackie console by Gavin Harrison himself in his home studio! The mixing and mastering is so crucial and that is why the fact that Andy Wallace is mixing is a good thing. Now if they can just get Bob Ludwig to master it!

7StringedBeast · May 26, 2011, 07:45:14 PM

You know, with digital, we don't really need mastering that much anymore. I mean, yeah its great to send it through those final tweaks to get it just right, but I really think "Mastering" a disc is not really necessary anymore. Especially when most mastering jobs today are destroying the fidelity of the recording.

Shumpun · May 26, 2011, 08:31:42 PM

Really good point. There is no such thing as "headroom" in the final product these days. Hopefully they won't try to win the loudness wars with this one. A really good example of an album where everything is perfect through the master was "Chinese Democracy" by GnR. That was mastered by Bob Ludwig. I also heard that was mixed by Andy Wallace.

The Silent Cody · May 26, 2011, 11:26:13 PM

Quote from: Shumpun on May 26, 2011, 08:31:42 PM
Really good point. There is no such thing as "headroom" in the final product these days. Hopefully they won't try to win the loudness wars with this one. A really good example of an album where everything is perfect through the master was "Chinese Democracy" by GnR. That was mastered by Bob Ludwig. I also heard that was mixed by Andy Wallace.

Yes, it was. Very good work on that one indeed

I just want to say, that Mangini seems to be a very flexible drummer. Comparing his work on first JLB albums to Annihilator albums on which he plays (which I totally love, great drumming!!!) I think we really don't need to worry that drums on DT11 will be bad...

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