There's very little doubt in my mind now

[Progmetty]

If this were indeed the case, who have DT got with them in the studio as a drummer? Bob Rock?

he is multi-functional heh, but I was thinking of a session musician or even Mangini himself as lordxizor suggested.

Can someone please tell me what legal issues could mean in a case like this? do you mean something like legal issues with the drummer's former band or record company?

It could be legal issues dealing with MP's exit.  Who knows?

I didn't wanna think about that but it seems like a strong possibility.

[rmp0012002]

They would have a big problem if they didn't have a drummer ready to go with big European dates coming up.  I think it is legal issues pertaining to what MP retains ownership of and compensation and the such.  It wouldn't be the first time drums were programmed in on an album.

[JPX]

They would have a big problem if they didn't have a drummer ready to go with big European dates coming up.  I think it is legal issues pertaining to what MP retains ownership of and compensation and the such.  It wouldn't be the first time drums were programmed in on an album.

There is absolutely no chance that the new record will have programmed drum tracks and it's absurd to think so.

[JediKnight1969]

^^Charlie Sheen said the same thing, and I'm pretty sure he's still getting booed off stages around the world

Maybe he´s the new drummer...

[chrisgazpacho]

  Petrucci wrapped on a bunch of guitar parts. 

All guitars are done except solo's.  The drums are recorded, they have a drummer.

[FretMuppet]

  Petrucci wrapped on a bunch of guitar parts. 

All guitars are done except solo's.  The drums are recorded, they have a drummer.

Who told you that?

[The Silent Cody]

They would have a big problem if they didn't have a drummer ready to go with big European dates coming up.  I think it is legal issues pertaining to what MP retains ownership of and compensation and the such.  It wouldn't be the first time drums were programmed in on an album.

Programmed drumd on DT album...tragic ending of that waiting period...

 Petrucci wrapped on a bunch of guitar parts.  

All guitars are done except solo's.  The drums are recorded, they have a drummer.

This. Who told you? When? Why? What for?  

[CrimsonSunrise]

They would have a big problem if they didn't have a drummer ready to go with big European dates coming up.  I think it is legal issues pertaining to what MP retains ownership of and compensation and the such.  It wouldn't be the first time drums were programmed in on an album.

Programmed drumd on DT album...tragic ending of that waiting period...

 Petrucci wrapped on a bunch of guitar parts.  

All guitars are done except solo's.  The drums are recorded, they have a drummer.

This. Who told you? When? Why? What for?  

JP said last week that he was wrapping up his guitar parts.  In most bands, including DT in the past, Drums are the first individual tracks laid.  So... goes to figure.....

[chrisgazpacho]

  Petrucci wrapped on a bunch of guitar parts. 

All guitars are done except solo's.  The drums are recorded, they have a drummer.

Who told you that?

JP did.

Woo hoo! Finished tracking all rhythm, clean and acoustic guitars today!
12:17 PM Apr 6th via Facebook

[bosk1]

Yeah, except he didn't say anything about drums being recorded.

[CrimsonSunrise]

Yeah, except he didn't say anything about drums being recorded.

No.... but it's kinda the standard to do Drums first yeah?  Of course they COULD mix it up, but I'm betting they didn't, and they've got their drummer.

[bosk1]

We know they've got their drummer.  But as far as drums being done, I agree with you.  As has been said quite a bit by me and plenty of others, I would also bet that drums are done.  But it's still just an educated guess, which is a far cry from just saying flat out that they are done as if he knows that to be true.  He doesn't.

[chrisgazpacho]

Yeah, except he didn't say anything about drums being recorded.

No.... but it's kinda the standard to do Drums first yeah?  Of course they COULD mix it up, but I'm betting they didn't, and they've got their drummer.

There is no chance of mixing that up, drums are done first period.  You don't record guitars to a click with no drums and do drums after.  It's not the process.  JP said guitars are done, that means the drums are done too. 

[bosk1]

No, it doesn't.  It means drums might be done.  Unless you are in the studio with DT, you have no idea what order they are tracking.

[chrisgazpacho]

 But it's still just an educated guess, which is a far cry from just saying flat out that they are done as if he knows that to be true.  He doesn't.

I was initially replying to this because people were saying like, isn't JP finishing up some tracks.  My point is rhythm, clean AND acoustic are wrapped, for the record.  There is no possible way you multi-track acoustic guitar parts with no drum track.  JP posting that is saying drums are wrapped as well.

[bosk1]

No, it doesn't.  It is entirely possible to track guitars (and bass, and keys, and vocals) without the final drum track being done.  And given JP's experience with recording technology and how to manipulate a click track, it would be a very easy thing to do in this case.  Again, I don't think it's likely.  But to say it isn't possible just shows that you have no idea how the recording process works.

[JPX]

Yeah, except he didn't say anything about drums being recorded.

No.... but it's kinda the standard to do Drums first yeah?  Of course they COULD mix it up, but I'm betting they didn't, and they've got their drummer.

There is no chance of mixing that up, drums are done first period.  You don't record guitars to a click with no drums and do drums after.  It's not the process.  JP said guitars are done, that means the drums are done too.  

MP just recorded his drum tracks with the Russell Allen project to his pre production vocals. 8:40 onward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQfbyTWp90c

[chrisgazpacho]

But to say it isn't possible just shows that you have no idea how the recording process works.

Of course it's possible, what I meant by my post was it's not possible they would do this as it's a huge freaking waste of time to get everything to gell and have any feel.  JP would be playing to a click with no feel and if a drummer was trying to play off of JP's track it would just not work.  Trust me I've tried it and the guitars we're redone.   I've spent the better part of my musical life in the studio, released records with a signed band,  and I am very familiar with the process. That's why I am saying without a doubt, the drums are done.  

[bosk1]

If you really have those credentials, then you should know that, although it isn't "standard practice," many bands have tracked other instruments before drums and had plenty of feel on their albums.

Just a quick google search and found a discussion about this very topic where quite a few people have described tracking drums either last or late in the process:  https://www.homerecordingconnection.com/forum.php?action=view_thread&id=6975&frm=1

Another:  https://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/445743-anyone-record-drums-last.html

[chrisgazpacho]

If you really have those credentials, then you should know that, although it isn't "standard practice," many bands have tracked other instruments before drums and had plenty of feel on their albums.

I do have those credentials and  I have never heard of any band tracking in this fashion.  Especially a band totally dominated by drums and guitars.  It's like buildning a house without a foundation. 

[chrisgazpacho]

Just a quick google search and found a discussion about this very topic where quite a few people have described tracking drums either last or late in the process:  https://www.homerecordingconnection.com/forum.php?action=view_thread&id=6975&frm=1

These are home recording projects.  A big difference than Roadrunner paying thousands of dollars a day for studio time.  If you watch any of MP's studio vids from past records, the band is playing with him, for feel.  When the rest of the band goes back and plays their parts it has a lot to do with how the drums are laid down.  Everybody is recorded for guide tracks when they go back to record their parts for the album. 

Oh well, you can choose to disagree and obviously you do.  My take is, JP said guitars are done, that means drums are done too.  He's not posting drums are done because they are obviously avoiding that with the legal stuff we know nothing about.

[ReaPsTA]

Oh well, you can choose to disagree and obviously you do.  My take is, JP said guitars are done, that means drums are done too.  He's not posting drums are done because they are obviously avoiding that with the legal stuff we know nothing about.

I'd say it's very likely the drums are done.  I'd bet good money on it if I could.  But, you ultimately don't actually know.  You've seen no hard evidence or conclusive circumstantial evidence.

[Aniland]

omfg

[CrimsonSunrise]

We know they've got their drummer.  But as far as drums being done, I agree with you.  As has been said quite a bit by me and plenty of others, I would also bet that drums are done.  But it's still just an educated guess, which is a far cry from just saying flat out that they are done as if he knows that to be true.  He doesn't.

Agreed.... we don't 100% know, my gut tells me, from everything I've heard/read, that the drums have been done. 

[The Silent Cody]

OMFG...again discussion about drums recorded or not...there are 5 topics with it I think...easily...let's make it one