MP on YTSEJAM releases

[reneranucci]

 And they are his property, no one else in the band thought keeping your past performances was important.  

That is a ridiculous assumption.

I was the one that hand picked and decided on every title, compiled the music and videos for the CD's and DVD's and oversaw the artwork and liner notes.

That really doesn't sound all that difficult.

Yet nobody else wanted to do it.

That is a ridiculous assumption.

Oh come on, my assumption is very realistic.  Seriously, based on all the evidence we have accumulated throughout the years, thinking that other members were as interested as MP in releasing stuff for the fans would be ridiculous. He wasn't a control freak in 1989, and yet he still kept all the videos form that time while nobody else in the band was doing it, and thus we have the wonderful WDADRU bonus material, the demos from that time, etc. He also kept the I$W perfomrances, ACOS erarly versions, etc. o you really think Mike had an iron fist during that time? That's ridiculous.  It's not like he took over the videos and made the ohter guys stay away from them as you imply. Ytsejam is completely his initiative.

[Progmetty]

JP probably meant future releases of YJR won't be affected cause he was thinking of the future recordings, not the past one.
Also after all the stuff that happened I doubt DT would release anything with MP on it even if they owned the recordings. Another reason would be to build a new band image with the new drummer.
Even though it's a different situation I still compare this to the Newsted departure, he wasn't a founding member and never owned any recordings but no official recording of Metallica was released with Newsted on it after his departure, it makes sense even if it wasn't with bad blood like DT's case.

[Cool Chris]

It's kind of like if you have a marriage, and the husband is anal about bills and money, so he insists on taking care of all of their financial stuff.  It doesn't mean the wife doesn't think that stuff is important; it just means that one person would rather be in control of it all, probably because they want to make sure it is done both correctly and the way they want it.

That was the analogy I thought of (mainly because that is how things are at my house ) And if that husband decides he doesn't want to do it anymore, or they get divorced, the wife will figure out how best to fill the void. Of course not a great analogy: something that has to be done (paying bills), versus something that doesn't, but KevShmev's point is a good one.

And I can't seriously fault the rest of the band for never thinking to record and store every single performance they ever gave. That is a little bit OCD. I appreciate Mike for doing so, but would never not appreciate the others for not doing so.

[ariich]

Kev, why is your assumption any more realistic? Portnoy did indeed like to run things, but I've never seen anything from him that would make me think that he'd demand to be solely responsible for the recordings.

And why is it unlikely that the other guys would have no interest in keeping recordings? Very few bands do that.

I'm not say that their assumptions are any more credible than yours, just that it's not fair to start calling people out on it if you're going to do the same thing yourself.

[Miyazaki74]

This whole ordeal is messier than the breakup with my last girlfriend. I can't believe how childish both sides are being.

How exactly is Dream Theater being childish at all?  

if they really are ignoring Portnoy, considering that he takes a shot at them, or makes them out to be the bad guys, in literally every public comment he makes in regards to band nowadays, can you really blame them for ignoring him?  It's that old adage: the best way to deal with a pest is to ignore him.  Plus, we have no idea what went on behind the scenes that might have caused a rift that is contributing to the alleged silence. Either way, Portnoy is the one who continues to act like a drama queen, not the band.

Mike has always been an open book towards his fans. He's just being honest(from his point of view) about the whole situation. I don't think he's said anything to make the guys look bad. He's just telling his side of the story. If the guys feel that he's being dishonest well then maybe they should speak up, I know Mike would.

[Progmetty]

I know it's tragic but the band "not answering phones" from Mike thing makes me think how JP's voice mail is full of MP messages, getting angrier with even call, I wonder if he asked him to "eat my ass and balls" yet

[Zydar]

I know it's tragic but the band "not answering phones" from Mike thing makes me think how JP's voice mail is full of MP messages, getting angrier with even call, I wonder if he asked him to "eat my ass and balls" yet

Maybe they'll use them as samples on the new album?

[Progmetty]

I know it's tragic but the band "not answering phones" from Mike thing makes me think how JP's voice mail is full of MP messages, getting angrier with even call, I wonder if he asked him to "eat my ass and balls" yet

Maybe they'll use them as samples on the new album?

Now wait a minute man! that'd be awesome

[tri.ad]

I know it's tragic but the band "not answering phones" from Mike thing makes me think how JP's voice mail is full of MP messages, getting angrier with even call, I wonder if he asked him to "eat my ass and balls" yet

Maybe they'll use them as samples on the new album?

[Chino]

I know it's tragic but the band "not answering phones" from Mike thing makes me think how JP's voice mail is full of MP messages, getting angrier with even call, I wonder if he asked him to "eat my ass and balls" yet

Maybe they'll use them as samples on the new album?

When SDV is played on the reg during the next tour, they will take they place of the samples from the album version.

[Dream_Theater01]

Sorry, what exactly is a YTSEJAM release?  Is it like a fan club thing?

I understand fan club members deserve something, but rare and unreleased material should be distributed to everyone.

[Zydar]

Sorry, what exactly is a YTSEJAM release?  Is it like a fan club thing?

I understand fan club members deserve something, but rare and unreleased material should be distributed to everyone.

https://www.ytsejamrecords.com/

Everyone can order.

[Bertielee]

Mike is a really nice guy : everytime he says something, we have a thread that runs for pages and pages analysing why he said that. That makes the waiting for the new drummer announcement less tedious!!! Thank you, Mr Portnoy!!

B.Lee

[Dream_Theater01]

Is it free to sign up for the YTSEJAM releases?

[Chino]

Is it free to sign up for the YTSEJAM releases?

yep

[Nick]

There is no sign up, just buy the ones you want, just like any other product.

[The Letter M]

Is it free to sign up for the YTSEJAM releases?

Everything you need to know should be apparent on the website!

However, be aware, once you start buying from there, you'll eventually want to own it all... like I have. Unfortunately some items were short-run on production, so they may not be available anymore (however, as far as I know, the only thing that shouldn't be available anymore is the LTE Box Set).

-Marc.

[Dream_Theater01]

Thanks!  I'll have to check those out!

[Ben_Jamin]

Its most likely not the bands fault for ignoring him. But who knows.

[Dream_Theater01]

Quick question...what do most bands release to the fan club members?

[Chino]

Quick question...what do most bands release to the fan club members?

Not much.

[bosk1]

Is it free to sign up for the YTSEJAM releases?

Everything you need to know should be apparent on the website!

However, be aware, once you start buying from there, you'll eventually want to own it all... like I have. Unfortunately some items were short-run on production, so they may not be available anymore (however, as far as I know, the only thing that shouldn't be available anymore is the LTE Box Set).

-Marc.

I think the last covers disk is out of print as well.  I didn't order mine right away and unfortunately had to pick up a copy from Ebay.

Quick question...what do most bands release to the fan club members?

That's really impossible to answer because it depends on the band and the fanclub.  Some bands release nothing.  Others release a lot of things.  The options are almost limitless.

[bosk1]

Going back to the topic at hand a little bit:  When it was first announced that Mike was out of the band, my first reaction was, "Oh no!  What is this going to do to the Ytsejam releases?"  So I immediately went and ordered most of the stuff I still didn't have at that point (the only thing I still need are the two LTE DVD's, which I'm still on the fence about).  I figured there was definitely a distinct possibility that either (1) they would go out of print and eventually stop selling, or (2) if there was an actual or even threatened legal battle over ownership, there might be a moratorium on selling these.  Not sure how these issues will ultimately resolve.  I would hope everything eventually works out and we get more releases in the future.  But if not, I'm really thankful for what we have had, which is WAY more than almost any other band out there has offered its fans.

[Orbert]

Bob is someone who has worked for the band and been friends with the individual members for years.  Dude, come on--he's been posting since DT.net.

I don't think it's unreasonable that very few of us know or remember Bob.  Maybe he's been around a while, but he's got fewer than 100 posts in all that time.  But thanks for the explanation.  You seem pretty sure of his credentials.

[Nick]

There is no question of his credentials, he has worked on a majority of the Ytsejam releases we are all enjoying, along with various other things he's done for DT.

[bosk1]

Bob is someone who has worked for the band and been friends with the individual members for years.  Dude, come on--he's been posting since DT.net.

I don't think it's unreasonable that very few of us know or remember Bob.  Maybe he's been around a while, but he's got fewer than 100 posts in all that time.  But thanks for the explanation.  You seem pretty sure of his credentials.

I've met him personally and I know with 100% certainty that he is who he says he is.  

Sorry if I came off a bit short, but I assumed everybody who posts regularly on the DT side knew who he was since he's been posting here so long, and he frequently does chime in on issues like this where he does have personal knowledge.  But, yeah, look at the credits for Score or any of the Ytsejam live releases and you'll probably see his name.

[Dream_Theater01]

Is anyone here a member of Metallica's fan club?  Metallica releases a thing called a "Fan Can" every so often, and it usually contains a CD, a DVD, t-shirt.  I'm not in the Metallica fan club, but I think the CD's are usually just live material right?  Or one one fan can there was Load era demos and a tape from one of the Load sessions where they play numerous covers without stoping the tape, or something.  Can anyone clarify more about the Metallica fan cans?

[Bill Carson]

"Load era demos"

The album was bad enough !

[Ħ]

First off, it is a little bit upsetting to see that DT is ignoring Mike.  I always thought that they were great friends within the band, and it's a shame to see that friendship fall apart.

Second, while we might not see another YJR release, that isn't stopping the others from setting up their own bootleg site.  Hopefully we'll someday see the completion of the Demo and Studio Series (unless Mike's contribution on those albums restrains them).  But I doubt we'll get any more live/cover shows from 1986-2010 since I'm pretty sure that Mike is the only one to possess most of that stuff.

Third, I don't know why everyone is still bagging on MP for being childish.  His purpose is not to stir everyone up, to misquote people, or to vent out his aggression.  Everything I've seen from him has been completely honest, which makes since because he is there for the fans.  Would you really expect him to continue serving DT after they completely shut him out like this?

[Orbert]

But we don't know that they've completely shut him out.  All we have is Mike's side, and being "completely honest" is not always the best way to avoid stirring up shit.

[7StringedBeast]

I don't see what the big deal is.  Mike contacts DT about YTSE Jam stuff.  Band is working on new album with new drummer, does not feel like doing business with and or releasing material with old drummer.  Seems like pretty standard stuff.  I'm not surprised they wouldn't answer an email about this kind of subject with Mike at this time.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Yay! More internet drama.

[ReaPsTA]

Why would MP say anything?  How does this post improve the chances new Ytsejam releases will come out?  Not at all.  How does even discussing the situation beyond "Obviously for now they're on hold, but I'd like to do more in the future" help anything?

[theusualmadness]

First off, it is a little bit upsetting to see that DT is ignoring Mike.  I always thought that they were great friends within the band, and it's a shame to see that friendship fall apart.

Second, while we might not see another YJR release, that isn't stopping the others from setting up their own bootleg site.  Hopefully we'll someday see the completion of the Demo and Studio Series (unless Mike's contribution on those albums restrains them).  But I doubt we'll get any more live/cover shows from 1986-2010 since I'm pretty sure that Mike is the only one to possess most of that stuff.

Third, I don't know why everyone is still bagging on MP for being childish.  His purpose is not to stir everyone up, to misquote people, or to vent out his aggression.  Everything I've seen from him has been completely honest, which makes since because he is there for the fans.  Would you really expect him to continue serving DT after they completely shut him out like this?

He shut himself out. He is currently no longer part of DT, so I would not expect him to "continue serving". Do not get me wrong, I like him as a drummer.

[Ben_Jamin]

Its just, the way he worded it. Yet, he thinks they are intentionally ignoring him, but most likely that's not the case.