MP on YTSEJAM releases

[Lowdz]

From his site. More bad news. Relationship doesn't sound good at all but it's just from one side I suppose.

As this question seems to come up every few weeks, I may as well go on the record:

"I have no idea why JP would have said Ytsejam Records wouldn't be effected...

I was the one that hand picked and decided on every title, compiled the music and videos for the CD's and DVD's and oversaw the artwork and liner notes.

John's side of the YJR Production team consisted of dealing with the manufacturing factory and staying on top of the payments and deliverys after I produced all of the titles...

Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home, and being the band currently refuse to answer my emails or calls, I honestly cant see any upcoming releases...

It's a shame too....I was already working on another batch before all of this went down.... "


I agree it is a shame. I enjoy the releases and have them all so far.

[erik16]

This is not good news. Mike is playing the ignore card again. And JP said that it SHOULDN'T be affected, he probably didn't foresee such problems.

[EstyMaJ]

OH boy and the drama continues!!!  

[EstyMaJ]

This is not good news. Mike is playing the ignore card again. And JP said that it SHOULDN'T be affected, he probably didn't foresee such problems.

Yes i started to write a post like this and decides not to but agreed , i guess my question is what part of its a legal issue that they have to wait for everything to fall in place then they will be able to work on things don't people get .
We Don't like all this silence either but it will end!!

[Chino]

I was the one that hand picked and decided on every title, compiled the music and videos for the CD's and DVD's and oversaw the artwork and liner notes.

That really doesn't sound all that difficult.

[ariich]

I'm sure when JP said that he was referring to the sale of exisiting YJR albums, rather than creation of new ones.

Have to say though, if it's true that the rest of the band are just ignoring him then that's pretty uncool of them. Even if he is being a bit childish about some things, flat out ignoring someone is just rude.

[Jalis]

I'm sure when JP said that he was referring to the sale of exisiting YJR albums, rather than creation of new ones.

Have to say though, if it's true that the rest of the band are just ignoring him then that's pretty uncool of them. Even if he is being a bit childish about some things, flat out ignoring someone is just rude.

Oh MY GUSSHHH!!!!

[Bertielee]

I'm sure when JP said that he was referring to the sale of exisiting YJR albums, rather than creation of new ones.

Have to say though, if it's true that the rest of the band are just ignoring him then that's pretty uncool of them. Even if he is being a bit childish about some things, flat out ignoring someone is just rude.

I think more and more that there may be legal problems that induce their silence, but I may be wrong. OK, it's not particular nice of them, but, come on, the guy only left last September : there may still be bad blood running between them. Plus, they are in the midst of recording a new album without him and there are "extenuating circumstances" preventing them from announcing the new drummer. For all we know, they are in this situation first and formeost because MP left. And he's still acting childish just as he did before : "look, DT fans, if there is no Ytse jame release again, it's because of THEM, the bad guys"! Nothing new on MP's part here.

B.Lee

[ZBomber]

  This whole ordeal is messier than the breakup with my last girlfriend. I can't believe how childish both sides are being.

[Chino]

This whole ordeal is almost identical to the last 3 seasons of American Chopper.

[KevShmev]

This whole ordeal is messier than the breakup with my last girlfriend. I can't believe how childish both sides are being.

How exactly is Dream Theater being childish at all?  

if they really are ignoring Portnoy, considering that he takes a shot at them, or makes them out to be the bad guys, in literally every public comment he makes in regards to band nowadays, can you really blame them for ignoring him?  It's that old adage: the best way to deal with a pest is to ignore him.  Plus, we have no idea what went on behind the scenes that might have caused a rift that is contributing to the alleged silence. Either way, Portnoy is the one who continues to act like a drama queen, not the band.

[Perpetual Change]

So should I buy these all as soon as possible?

[JasonScandopolous]

I'm sure when JP said that he was referring to the sale of exisiting YJR albums, rather than creation of new ones.

Have to say though, if it's true that the rest of the band are just ignoring him then that's pretty uncool of them. Even if he is being a bit childish about some things, flat out ignoring someone is just rude.

I mean, are they ignoring "whats up guys?" e-mails, or are they ignoring "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS, YOU A-HOLES" e-mails?  There are some things that you ignore eventually.

[blackngold29]

So should I buy these all as soon as possible?

That's what I was wondering. I also suspect that JP was referring to existing albums when he made his statement. I might start getting them quicker, but I don't think/hope he'll just stop.

If the "legal problems" rumor is what is going on, then it's quite possible that RR's lawyers told the guys not to talk to him until it's over. Although you would think they would tell him that. On the other side, I find it difficult to blame MP for just telling the truth.

[DreamerTV]

As for now it totally make sense for them to ignore Portnoy. They decided to go on, and they are focused on proving they can do it. This is now their most important deal, and fighting for other parallel things would not be usefull.

[Perpetual Change]

So should I buy these all as soon as possible?

That's what I was wondering. I also suspect that JP was referring to existing albums when he made his statement. I might start getting them quicker, but I don't think/hope he'll just stop.

If the "legal problems" rumor is what is going on, then it's quite possible that RR's lawyers told the guys not to talk to him until it's over. Although you would think they would tell him that. On the other side, I find it difficult to blame MP for just telling the truth.

Someone on MP forums said it best:

Those kind of comments from Mike are unfair because they really do invite us to take sides.

[Elsydeon]

Mike sounds like a bragging child. " I was the one that did this..." " I was the one that did that..."  "They are the ones that didn't do this"
grow up

[Cool Chris]

It is nice to see Mike lay out how the workload was distributed between him and John.

Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home

Is this the only place they exist, and are this his personal property? Or do we assume that is one of the many tangled legal issues?

It's a shame too....I was already working on another batch before all of this went down.... "

Meaning, before he quit the band?   

[lordxizor]

If the "legal problems" rumor is what is going on, then it's quite possible that RR's lawyers told the guys not to talk to him until it's over.

I would say this is likely. You don't want to inadvertantly say something in a casual conversation that he could come back and use against you. I sincerely hope it's this and not that the guys are simply done being friends with Mike.

Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home

Is this the only place they exist, and are this his personal property? Or do we assume that is one of the many tangled legal issues?

I've wondered this as well. I can't imagine they are Mike's personal propery, but I guess it depends on who owns the rights to DT's music (the label or the band). Either way, someone other than Mike would have a legal claim, whether it's the label or the rest of his bandmates.

[Chino]

It is nice to see Mike lay out how the workload was distributed between him and John.

Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home

Is this the only place they exist, and are this his personal property? Or do we assume that is one of the many tangled legal issues?

I think it's safe to say that these are the only recordings. My guess is the rest of the band assumed they would never need copies, so why bother making duplicates of all that data.

[ariich]

If the "legal problems" rumor is what is going on, then it's quite possible that RR's lawyers told the guys not to talk to him until it's over.

I would say this is likely. You don't want to inadvertantly say something in a casual conversation that he could come back and use against you. I sincerely hope it's this and not that the guys are simply done being friends with Mike.

True, but still, you'd think they'd be able to send a quick email back saying "Mike, we're really sorry but we can't discuss these things right now" rather than outright ignoring him. But obviously we don't know any details about this, so I'm only saying that if that is what they are doing, it would be a bit crappy.

[Lynxo]

If the "legal problems" rumor is what is going on, then it's quite possible that RR's lawyers told the guys not to talk to him until it's over.

I would say this is likely. You don't want to inadvertantly say something in a casual conversation that he could come back and use against you. I sincerely hope it's this and not that the guys are simply done being friends with Mike.

True, but still, you'd think they'd be able to send a quick email back saying "Mike, we're really sorry but we can't discuss these things right now" rather than outright ignoring him. But obviously we don't know any details about this, so I'm only saying that if that is what they are doing, it would be a bit crappy.

It's pointless to even discuss because the only thing we have to go on is Mike's side. I have no idea why he feels the need to constantly take cheap shots at DT. IF that happened, it is NONE of OUR business and shouldn't be brought up in public, no matter how important he feels it is to be honest to his fans...

To take that stupid wife argument even further, this is like an ex-girlfriend talking shit about her former husband to his friends.

[ariich]

To take that stupid wife argument even further, this is like an ex-girlfriend talking shit about her former husband to his friends.

Well, that analogy doesn't really work because he posted on his own personal forum, so it's more like her bitching to her own friends and his friend's overhearing.

[Lynxo]

To take that stupid wife argument even further, this is like an ex-girlfriend talking shit about her former husband to his friends.

Well, that analogy doesn't really work because he posted on his own personal forum, so it's more like her bitching to her own friends and his friend's overhearing.

Fair enough. Still not cool though. I never thought I'd be complaining about them being TOO open to their fans.

[bobs23]

It is nice to see Mike lay out how the workload was distributed between him and John.

Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home

Is this the only place they exist, and are this his personal property? Or do we assume that is one of the many tangled legal issues?

It's a shame too....I was already working on another batch before all of this went down.... "

Meaning, before he quit the band?   

This is the only place they exist. And they are his property, no one else in the band thought keeping your past performances was important. And yes, I know for sure that he was indeed working on a new set of releases prior to his departure.

[reneranucci]

I was the one that hand picked and decided on every title, compiled the music and videos for the CD's and DVD's and oversaw the artwork and liner notes.

That really doesn't sound all that difficult.

Yet nobody else wanted to do it. that's what made MP so especial to the fans.

[ReaperKK]

I'd assume that they can't talk to him for legal reasons, or they really are just ignoring him. He may be scorned and having a normal conversation maybe impossible at this time.

[KevShmev]

  And they are his property, no one else in the band thought keeping your past performances was important.   

That is a ridiculous assumption.

I was the one that hand picked and decided on every title, compiled the music and videos for the CD's and DVD's and oversaw the artwork and liner notes.

That really doesn't sound all that difficult.

Yet nobody else wanted to do it.

That is a ridiculous assumption.

[bosk1]

  And they are his property, no one else in the band thought keeping your past performances was important.   

That is a ridiculous assumption.

If Bob is the one saying it, I'm pretty confident it is from personal knowledge and not an assumption at all.

[KevShmev]

Okay, who is bob?

Second, unless he heard it straight from the four guys, then it really isn't credible.  More than likely, given the iron first that he ran the band with in regards to non-music matters, Portnoy probably insisted on holding on to all of that stuff, and the rest of the guys were probably fine with it at the time.  That doesn't mean that they thought that keeping that stuff wasn't important.

It's kind of like if you have a marriage, and the husband is anal about bills and money, so he insists on taking care of all of their financial stuff.  It doesn't mean the wife doesn't think that stuff is important; it just means that one person would rather be in control of it all, probably because they want to make sure it is done both correctly and the way they want it.

[chrisbDTM]

he sounds like he really is trying to make the other guys look like bad people, but the ignoring calls thing is really odd.

[bosk1]

Okay, who is bob?

Second, unless he heard it straight from the four guys, then it really isn't credible.  More than likely, given the iron first that he ran the band with in regards to non-music matters, Portnoy probably insisted on holding on to all of that stuff, and the rest of the guys were probably fine with it at the time.  That doesn't mean that they thought that keeping that stuff wasn't important.

Bob is someone who has worked for the band and been friends with the individual members for years.  Dude, come on--he's been posting since DT.net.  He's worked on most of the Ytsejam stuff (as well as some of the live official releases) and probably knows more about what is in Mike Portnoy's vault than anyone on the planet other than Mike himself.

[Chino]

Okay, who is bob?

Second, unless he heard it straight from the four guys, then it really isn't credible.  More than likely, given the iron first that he ran the band with in regards to non-music matters, Portnoy probably insisted on holding on to all of that stuff, and the rest of the guys were probably fine with it at the time.  That doesn't mean that they thought that keeping that stuff wasn't important.

Bob is someone who has worked for the band and been friends with the individual members for years.  Dude, come on--he's been posting since DT.net.  He's worked on most of the Ytsejam stuff (as well as some of the live official releases) and probably knows more about what is in Mike Portnoy's vault than anyone on the planet other than Mike himself.

I didn't know who Bob was...

[ariich]

Second, unless he heard it straight from the four guys, then it really isn't credible.  More than likely, given the iron first that he ran the band with in regards to non-music matters, Portnoy probably insisted on holding on to all of that stuff

And you're accusing other people of making ridiculous assumptions.

[KevShmev]

Okay, who is bob?

Second, unless he heard it straight from the four guys, then it really isn't credible.  More than likely, given the iron first that he ran the band with in regards to non-music matters, Portnoy probably insisted on holding on to all of that stuff, and the rest of the guys were probably fine with it at the time.  That doesn't mean that they thought that keeping that stuff wasn't important.

Bob is someone who has worked for the band and been friends with the individual members for years.  Dude, come on--he's been posting since DT.net.  He's worked on most of the Ytsejam stuff (as well as some of the live official releases) and probably knows more about what is in Mike Portnoy's vault than anyone on the planet other than Mike himself.

Okay.  I didn't know who he was, but okay.  

And the rest of my post still stands (what I just bolded), the main point being that it is ridiculous to assume that the other four guys didn't care about saving their performances.

Second, unless he heard it straight from the four guys, then it really isn't credible.  More than likely, given the iron first that he ran the band with in regards to non-music matters, Portnoy probably insisted on holding on to all of that stuff

And you're accusing other people of making ridiculous assumptions.

Except that my "assumption" is very realistic, given the nature of the band (when Portnoy was in it) and the personalities of those five guys at the time.  Portnoy is a guy who wants total control, especially since he considered DT "his" baby (his words, not mine), so odds are that my "assumption" is fairly close to reality.