Unreleased Dream Theater?

FretMuppet · February 23, 2011, 02:26:26 PM

Quote from that website

Edit: They're talking about the Scenes From a Memory bootleg

QuoteOn the other hand, this was the first bootleg where somebody found concrete evidence that Bahr was adding false recordings: "Autumn Moon", presented as a rare Kevin Moore piano solo, is actually by George Winston (a jazz musician of some note, I assume.)

Dream_Theater01 · February 23, 2011, 06:33:48 PM

I'd like to see a few albums of unreleased and rare material when Dream Theater call it quits.

RaiseTheKnife · February 24, 2011, 10:26:49 PM

Thanks for the research and clarification FretMuppet. Not sure why someone with access to so many rare tracks, especially back then, would feel the need to slip in a fake track.

Dream_Theater01 · February 25, 2011, 11:45:47 AM

Would bands be able to physically release any half-finished songs? Or songs written and not recorded?

FretMuppet · February 25, 2011, 11:57:19 AM

Probably through their own label like YtseJam, or fanclub CD's, or simply free download

Dream_Theater01 · February 25, 2011, 09:19:27 PM

Would a band be able to officially physically release half-finished songs and song ideas?

Vivace · February 26, 2011, 03:05:10 AM

Quote from: Nihil-Morari on February 23, 2011, 02:21:51 PM
I have! It's on a bootleg called 'The Darkest of Winters', I believe, which is a collection of rarities.

EDIT: I don't even have it anymore, I believe $:-\$

I have this and Autumn Moon is not on it. A song called Winter is though.

hefdaddy42 · February 26, 2011, 03:39:49 AM

Quote from: Dream_Theater01 on February 25, 2011, 09:19:27 PM
Would a band be able to officially physically release half-finished songs and song ideas?

Of course.

Nihil-Morari · February 26, 2011, 05:15:22 AM

Quote from: Vivace on February 26, 2011, 03:05:10 AM
Quote from: Nihil-Morari on February 23, 2011, 02:21:51 PM
I have! It's on a bootleg called 'The Darkest of Winters', I believe, which is a collection of rarities.

EDIT: I don't even have it anymore, I believe $:-\$

I have this and Autumn Moon is not on it. A song called Winter is though.

That is a Tori Amos cover.

Dream_Theater01 · February 26, 2011, 07:46:24 AM

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 26, 2011, 03:39:49 AM
Quote from: Dream_Theater01 on February 25, 2011, 09:19:27 PM
Would a band be able to officially physically release half-finished songs and song ideas?
Of course.

Great!

I was unaware if a band could officially (in a physical format) release half-finished songs, song ideas, and songs written and not recorded. Like in an unreleased material box set or an individual album of unreleased material, if a band choose to release numerous albums of unreleased material instead of a huge box set.

Dream_Theater01 · March 09, 2011, 07:00:31 AM

Quote from: robwebster on February 22, 2011, 01:21:18 PM
Must be a wealth of material tucked away in MP's archives that we've never heard about.

Sorry to bump this thread back up. Since Mike isn't in the band anymore, will the material in the vaults be released someday?

robwebster · March 09, 2011, 09:28:58 AM

I don't think so. Legally speaking, it would be a minefield.

I don't think we were ever likely to hear much of it anyway, if it's any consolation.

Dream_Theater01 · March 09, 2011, 12:43:18 PM

Quote from: robwebster on March 09, 2011, 09:28:58 AM
I don't think so. Legally speaking, it would be a minefield.

I don't think we were ever likely to hear much of it anyway, if it's any consolation.

Most bands release their unreleased and rare material (the vaults) after they retire or stop making new albums. I hope Metallica does after they stop making new albums.

hefdaddy42 · March 10, 2011, 03:24:57 AM

Quote from: Dream_Theater01 on March 09, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: robwebster on March 09, 2011, 09:28:58 AM
I don't think so. Legally speaking, it would be a minefield.

I don't think we were ever likely to hear much of it anyway, if it's any consolation.

Most bands release their unreleased and rare material (the vaults) after they retire or stop making new albums. I hope Metallica does after they stop making new albums.

Well, again, there aren't any unreleased songs lying around in the vaults. There are unused riffs and other pieces of stuff, and there may be some alternate versions or mixes of some songs. But most of what is in "the vaults" are live recordings.

Dream_Theater01 · March 10, 2011, 07:12:26 AM

I wonder if Dream Theater would be able to release their unreleased material in the future, if they wanted to.

It would be nice to get some albums of unreleased Dream Theater someday, after they retire.

Dream_Theater01 · June 02, 2011, 07:12:13 PM

Dream Theater may have a more difficult time releasing their unreleased stuff, etc. than about any other band...because of the whole MP situation.

ehra · June 02, 2011, 07:41:14 PM

Do the old version(s?) of A Change of Seasons count?

ZirconBlue · June 03, 2011, 06:08:06 AM

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2011, 03:24:57 AM
Quote from: Dream_Theater01 on March 09, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: robwebster on March 09, 2011, 09:28:58 AM
I don't think so. Legally speaking, it would be a minefield.

I don't think we were ever likely to hear much of it anyway, if it's any consolation.

Most bands release their unreleased and rare material (the vaults) after they retire or stop making new albums. I hope Metallica does after they stop making new albums.
Well, again, there aren't any unreleased songs lying around in the vaults. There are unused riffs and other pieces of stuff, and there may be some alternate versions or mixes of some songs. But most of what is in "the vaults" are live recordings.

Yeah, "Cleaning out the Closets" and the Ytsejam Records Demos series pretty much cleared out all of the complete, unreleased songs. Other than the bazillion live recordings MP has, I can't imagine there's much left worth releasing.

The Silent Cody · June 05, 2011, 03:19:58 PM

Somebody mentioned here about The Majesty Demos on which we could find some early songs that wasn'e on any album:

1. Your Majesty
2. A Vision
3. Two Far
4. Vital Star
5. March Of The Tyrant

There is also Another Won in there but you can find it on Score.

Vajra · June 05, 2011, 03:31:05 PM

Quote from: robwebster on February 22, 2011, 01:11:34 PM
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever (two different versions - '91 and '94)
Eve
Raise the Knife
You Or Me
Where Are You Now?
The Way it Used to Be
Speak to Me
Cover My Eyes
Burning My Soul '96 (semi-counts... a primordial version of Burning My Soul, which featured Hell's Kitchen spliced into the centre and intro)
Metropolis Pt. 2 (much of which was salvaged to create SfaM)
Raw Dog

There's also a primordial version of Hollow Years knocking about which has got an added bridge before the choruses, but it generally stays faithful to the original.

Don't think I'm missing any, but correct me if I'm wrong.

You're missing the original Change of Seasons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKGQ3Uw1rvU

Very different from the final product in various places.

The Silent Cody · June 05, 2011, 03:33:48 PM

Original A Change Of Seasons is very very awesome

ZirconBlue · June 05, 2011, 06:05:50 PM

Quote from: The Silent Cody on June 05, 2011, 03:19:58 PM
Somebody mentioned here about The Majesty Demos on which we could find some early songs that wasn'e on any album:

1. Your Majesty
2. A Vision
3. Two Far
4. Vital Star
5. March Of The Tyrant

There is also Another Won in there but you can find it on Score.

All available on the Ytsejam Records "Majesty Demos" release.

rumborak · June 05, 2011, 10:50:08 PM

Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of interesting stuff left in the archives. If it hasn't seen the light of day by now, it probably never would have anyway, and now it certainly won't.

rumborak

The Silent Cody · June 06, 2011, 06:05:22 AM

Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 05, 2011, 06:05:50 PM
Quote from: The Silent Cody on June 05, 2011, 03:19:58 PM
Somebody mentioned here about The Majesty Demos on which we could find some early songs that wasn'e on any album:

1. Your Majesty
2. A Vision
3. Two Far
4. Vital Star
5. March Of The Tyrant

There is also Another Won in there but you can find it on Score.
I wrote that
All available on the Ytsejam Records "Majesty Demos" release.

bosk1 · June 06, 2011, 08:44:56 AM

Quote from: rumborak on June 05, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of interesting stuff left in the archives. If it hasn't seen the light of day by now, it probably never would have anyway, and now it certainly won't.

rumborak

I think that's true for the most part, but there are still a few things I personally would like to see surface and other stuff others would want. I did a quick chart of era split into three categories: demos, live, and video. Here's how it shook out:

1. Majesty: Demos only. No live album or video. There might be a bit of bootleg quality stuff in the vault, but probably not enough for a whole release. I wouldn't really expect anything else from this era.
2. WDADU: Demos only. No live album or video. But there is some good footage on the WDADRU DVD. I'm not really expecting anything else from this era.
3. I&W: Demos and a live CD. I think there might be another noteworthy show or two that might get released on audio. Not sure if there is good video. And we have LiT, so I'm not itching for video from this tour.
4. Awake: Demos and a live CD. We don't have video. I wouldn't mind a show if there is a decent quality video in the vaults. What I WOULD like to see from this era (I guess it's actually more the ACOS era, but I'm not listing that separately) is the rest of the Ronnie Scots show that didn't make it onto the ACOS disk.
5. FII: Two "demos" disks: the actual demos as well as the "making of" CD. We also have a good pre-release disk of the Old Bridge show as well as the L.A. show that was going to be the FII tour live release before they re-did it and gave us OIALT. No video. There is a lot of cool stuff from this era in terms of the other Fix For '96 shows, the holiday shows, the accoustic shows. I know there are little bits here and there of some of this stuff, but they could release more.
6. SFAM: We have the "making of" disk. No other live stuff. LSFNY is a great label release, and I don't necessarily even want anything else from this tour OTHER THAN video of the rest of the second set that was left off the LSFNY disk. I REALLY want that and have wanted it for years.
7. SDOIT: Great video. No demos or live audio. I'd love the "making of" videos to be officially released as a Ytsejam product. They could include some misc. bonus content from the tour and call it a day on the SDOIT era and I'd be happy.
8. TOT: Demos only. (unless you count the WDADRU show, but that doesn't include any TOT content) Yeah, we have L@B, which is great, but there's lots of other stuff out there that could be released. In particular, I'd love the San Francisco show to be released since it is one of VERY few shows that has never (and likely will never) been traded in bootleg circles, as the only known tape of that show was lost a long, long time ago.

Mike's source is likely the only thing out there. Yes, we have Mother, Father on the last covers CD, but it'd be cool to get the whole show. I would also love to get video (or at least audio) of ACOS played on this tour, as well as one take of each of the six encore songs they did with Queensryche on the Escape From The Studio tour (between other YJR releases and some Queensryche releases, we have Comfortably Numb and Won't Get Fooled Again, but it would be great to get TSCO, Peruvian Skies, The Real World, and Take Hold).
9. Octavarium: Video only. I guess we could get some in studio stuff, even though there aren't any proper "demos." That would be cool if it included the alternate mix of the title track with the different ending. I'm not really itching for a live CD from this tour, but it wouldn't bother me if they did one just for completeness.
10. SC: We have nothing yet. I'm not really craving any studio stuff since we have the making of DVD with the SE of the album. I guess they could do some live stuff, but there are so many good quality bootlegs out there and the CiM set that it wouldn't bother me if they skipped this era.
11. BCSL: Nuthin'. Some live stuff would be nice, especially since the tour got cut short.

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