DT vs. Queen - I didn't know about this

[MirzekDT]

If that mathematical probability you mentioned above was meant in a way that there's almost no way that somebody would NOT intentionally come up with similar pattern as someone else then you really didn't understand my point at all

First of all composition of music doesn't work in a way you mentioned above which is choosing random notes where every note has the same probability of choosing. By this way of composing you would very rarely end up with something that is music and not random mess. Actually I think that at least two thirds of all those possible theoretical note sequences you mentioned doesn't make any sense at all and nobody with sane mind who is trying to compose some music in any way other than randomly hitting notes without any sense wouldn't ever come up with those note sequences.

Oh, definitely, there's stuff like harmonies that need to work. I totally agree, the vast majority of sequences would be considered completely unmusical. However, the calculation was also only for one measure of a whole song. Even if you factor out a lot of unmusical sequences, the sequence of possible melodies and chords are still staggering.

I think the greater point is that, it is not an inevitability to produce familiar music. There's a chance, no doubt, but I have the impression that chance is over-estimated because many bands are just trailblazers of other bands. There's the occasional times where I hear some music and think "Holy shit, this is nothing like I've ever heard before". And those artists prove that yes, new music can be written.

rumborak

Yes I completely agree that new music can be written. Even though it's still based on things that were before it is morphed and combined into something that wasn't here before.

About those bands which sounds like other bands that's a bit different topic I think. It's more about general atmosphere and feeling of songs which is hard to describe rationally. And I don't think that the bands that sounds like copies of other bands sounds like them because they steal their riffs. It's more becuase they are focused to sound like them in terms of atmosphere and feeling and it will end up sounding kind of empty and not interesting at all because it's not something they feel inside so they will never play it with true emotions like the artist they sound like did. It's just something they rationally want to feel which will always be forced.

On the other side bands that listen to the music in their own heads and doesn't care what it sounds like they just care that they love it, will sound like themself and it will always be something that has a lot of true emotion. It always will be a lot different from other stuff even though it may not be groundbreaking. And another thing is that I think that these bands that follow what they feel and hear may come up with something that sounds simillar to something else in terms of note or chord sequence. However it will have completely different feel which is their own feel and that's what matters...

[ricky]

um...


who are Queen?

[Unimatrix]

There's the occasional times where I hear some music and think "Holy shit, this is nothing like I've ever heard before". And those artists prove that yes, new music can be written.

Or they just happened to copy a band that you've never listened to 

[Occasional_Madman]

Mr. Roboto's intro and Trial of Tears.

Actually, I always say that the beginning of "Trial of Tears" has the keyboard intro from "Mr Roboto" and many of the same drum fills from Rush's "Xanadu" (down to the timing of them).

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I was gonna bring this up. I always think of Xanadu when ToT comes on. JP even played the riff during his solo in Schmedly Wilcox on Chaos in Motion. I always thought it was pretty neat.