Space Dye Vest Live At Tarrytown

[sfam2112]

The one thing about it I don't particularly care for is the tempo. James sounds rushed in the first couple of verses.

[Jamariquay]

I thought it was a very good performance. There was one significant change that I noticed: In the middle of the song, right before James sings "There's no one to take my blame," the piano on the studio version gets very minimalist, quiet, and haunting. I think the sample played at that point is the one about "you'll have to find somewhere else to sleep" or something like that. When JR and JLB played it tonight, Jordan made that particular part much more grandiose and majestic.

I prefer the album version, but I find room in my worldview for both interpretations

[Ħ]

There was one very major change I noticed: In the middle of the song, right before James sings "There's no one to take my blame," the piano on the studio version gets very minimalist, quiet, and haunting. I think the sample played at that point is the one about "you'll have to find somewhere else to sleep" or something like that. When JR and JLB played it tonight, Jordan made it much more grandiose and majestic.

That was the one part of the live performance I thought was actually kinda weak, cause it didn't have that huge buildup that the studio version has.

[tjanuranus]

i really liked it. It's different but the other DT songs they played sounded different too so it was just par for the course. I didn't think Jordan over played. At the end he went a bit crazy but hey, it's his show! Overall i thought it was great and i hope they play it as a band on the next tour.

[SoundscapeMN]

Samples? Floating Synths during the climax? sure it's Jordan's interpretation, but I can't help but be pining to hear Gabriela Kulka's interpretation instead.

[SnakeEyes]

1.) functional hearing
2.) actually, I guess just one way

I have "functional hearing" and:  a) it's a fact that it's faster and b) it's a fact that Jordan simply noodled over the song in place of the haunting atmosphere established in the original version.  Did you "functionally hear" those two things?

Honestly, I don't see what the point of this was except for Jordan to show off more piano chops.  This song isn't meant to be a showcase for how awesome someone's piano chops are.  The lyrics are what is important in this song and they were completely rushed just so Jordan can play his fast piano stuff.  It's almost like, "yeah yeah.... there's the words.... HEY LISTEN TO THIS.... BELEREHLHRELJLEKRJELKJREH..... yeah, yeah, more words, just bear with them ....HEY, LOOK.... WEEDEELYDEEEDELY."  No atmosphere, just piano skills.  

[Jamariquay]

There was one very major change I noticed: In the middle of the song, right before James sings "There's no one to take my blame," the piano on the studio version gets very minimalist, quiet, and haunting. I think the sample played at that point is the one about "you'll have to find somewhere else to sleep" or something like that. When JR and JLB played it tonight, Jordan made it much more grandiose and majestic.

That was the one part of the live performance I thought was actually kinda weak, cause it didn't have that huge buildup that the studio version has.

I think the notable differences between KM's and JR's performances of SDV are mostly that Kevin wrote the song as a slow build to an extended climax, very post-rock-y, whereas Jordan reached a climax right at the point I detailed above, and gradually came down from that over the rest of the song. I suspect most of us are going to prefer Kevin's version because we've had.... 17 years now? with that particular version, but I still find value in Jordan's interpretation. Covering a song and keeping it exactly the same has always seemed like a wasted opportunity to me, honestly. The Awake version still exists just fine.

[abydos]

I was hoping JR would stay faithful to the original but I guess that was too much to hope for. While it's not bad by any means it still felt forced, too much stuff going on, you don't get the same sense of sadness and desperation out of it. I'm kind of disappointed really.

[tjanuranus]

1.) functional hearing
2.) actually, I guess just one way

I have "functional hearing" and:  a) it's a fact that it's faster and b) it's a fact that Jordan simply noodled over the song in place of the haunting atmosphere established in the original version.  Did you "functionally hear" those two things?

Honestly, I don't see what the point of this was except for Jordan to show off more piano chops.  This song isn't meant to be a showcase for how awesome someone's piano chops are.  The lyrics are what is important in this song and they were completely rushed just so Jordan can play his fast piano stuff.  It's almost like, "yeah yeah.... there's the words.... HEY LISTEN TO THIS.... BELEREHLHRELJLEKRJELKJREH..... yeah, yeah, more words, just bear with them ....HEY, LOOK.... WEEDEELYDEEEDELY."  No atmosphere, just piano skills.  

I think if you were there you may have a slightly different opinion. The entire night was about jordan's skills. He went NUTS. It was great. But he really held back playing the DT songs with james. So in contrast with the rest of the night it was VERY mild.

[Ħ]

SnakeEyes, your criticisms are correct to a much smaller degree than you make them out to be.

[Global Laziness]

Well ninja'd by BrotherH, but yeah, SnakeEyes, you need to learn not to over-exaggerate to such a wild extent.

[Perpetual Change]

1.) functional hearing
2.) actually, I guess just one way

I have "functional hearing" and:  a) it's a fact that it's faster and b) it's a fact that Jordan simply noodled over the song in place of the haunting atmosphere established in the original version.  Did you "functionally hear" those two things?

Honestly, I don't see what the point of this was except for Jordan to show off more piano chops.  This song isn't meant to be a showcase for how awesome someone's piano chops are.  The lyrics are what is important in this song and they were completely rushed just so Jordan can play his fast piano stuff.  It's almost like, "yeah yeah.... there's the words.... HEY LISTEN TO THIS.... BELEREHLHRELJLEKRJELKJREH..... yeah, yeah, more words, just bear with them ....HEY, LOOK.... WEEDEELYDEEEDELY."  No atmosphere, just piano skills.  

You're exaggerating greatly. Which is why I'm calling your hearing into question. Again, if you consider that "Jordan showing off" then... well I guess saying it again would just be redundant.\


And holy crap, ninja'd TWICE.

So, SnakeEyes, really, just stop exaggerating so much  Especially in such an obnoxious way 

[RaiseTheKnife]

For those who have not heard it yet, here is the demo version of SDV with Kevin Moore singing.  Note that he uses different samples in this version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2zTI97-d4o

I thought Jordan's performance was terrific.  Yeah, he had a few showy appegios, but keep in mind that was the theme of the night, sort of a live performance of his Notes on a Dream stuff.  Perfectly acceptable in that setting.

[ZBomber]

Yeah, I mean the SDV we got tonight was a great performance, but obviously its Jordan's interpretation and not the original KM version. While I prefer the studio version, seeing that song live made me feel great inside.

Also, I dunno if its been mentioned in posts or videos, but James said Kevin Moore is actually singing on the studio version of SDV underneath Jame's vocals.

EDIT - lol semi-ninja

[SoundscapeMN]

I'm telling you, Gabriela Kulka's version is AWESOME and SO MUCH MORE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE SONG. I'm listening to it again right now, and remembering why. The HARMONIES and FEEL/EMOTION in it are FUCKING GORGEOUS.

[Global Laziness]

Also, I dunno if its been mentioned in posts or videos, but James said Kevin Moore is actually singing on the studio version of SDV underneath Jame's vocals.

It has, but I'll be curious to listen for that the next time I'm spinning Awake.

I'm telling you, Gabriela Kulka's version is AWESOME and SO MUCH MORE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE SONG. I'm listening to it again right now, and remembering why. The HARMONIES and FEEL/EMOTION in it are FUCKING GORGEOUS.

Who? I've never heard of this version...or artist.

[MykeHavoc]

Awesome stuff. As others have stated, a bit fast, but tasteful. I would hope they can convince the band to give it a go on their next extended headline tour. Would be a great treat during an encore.

[Weymolith]

no problem. Just glad to be a part of this community. I was perm banned a while back from another forum for speaking my mind. Nothing different than what i've said here really but i don't have to walk on egg shells. This place is awesome.

That perm ban wasn't just for speaking your mind. It also had something to do with the 8 warnings and bans you had in your 1 year of being a member there for continued violation of the rules. You speaking your mind about A7X was just the straw that made Mabrown decide to axe you permanently. But you're more than welcome to put whatever spin you want on it.

[SnakeEyes]

So, SnakeEyes, really, just stop exaggerating so much  Especially in such an obnoxious way 

Call me obnoxious all you want, I don't care.  It's my opinion and I'm standing by it.  I'm also not exaggerating anything.  The original had atmosphere, this had none.  I'll leave it at that and I'll stop there.  I know you guys enjoyed it, which is great, and I'm not going to stand in the way of expressing that by repeating how I didn't care for it.  So, carry on.    

[tjanuranus]

hey so uploaded another video. Made a new topic for these vids.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=20049.0

[Perpetual Change]

I'm also not exaggerating anything.

................so it is a hearing problem then?

just messing with you now lol

[SnakeEyes]

LOL 

[Nihil-Morari]

So, SnakeEyes, really, just stop exaggerating so much  Especially in such an obnoxious way 

Call me obnoxious all you want, I don't care.  It's my opinion and I'm standing by it.  I'm also not exaggerating anything.  The original had atmosphere, this had none.  I'll leave it at that and I'll stop there.  I know you guys enjoyed it, which is great, and I'm not going to stand in the way of expressing that by repeating how I didn't care for it.  So, carry on.    

Funny, I agree with Snake Eyes. I actually had to stop myself from turning it off before it ended.
What a lack of dynamics. Even in the intro JR got from pianissimo to fortissimo, and instead of going back, at some point, he just stayed there. There are a couple of dynamic dropouts in the original, this one just went on and on.
James was good, although his sound wasn't great (a lot more reverb would have been better), but Jordan's piano sound really wasn't good. I kept saying to myself that it could be the camera not picking up the full sound of the piano, but I don't know.
Jordan played it as I would've played it if my sustain pedal was broken. A lot of notes to fill any unwanted silence. But his sustain pedal wasn't broken.

[tjanuranus]

no problem. Just glad to be a part of this community. I was perm banned a while back from another forum for speaking my mind. Nothing different than what i've said here really but i don't have to walk on egg shells. This place is awesome.

That perm ban wasn't just for speaking your mind. It also had something to do with the 8 warnings and bans you had in your 1 year of being a member there for continued violation of the rules. You speaking your mind about A7X was just the straw that made Mabrown decide to axe you permanently. But you're more than welcome to put whatever spin you want on it.

whatever man. It's ridiculous over there. People can actually be free here and there are actual DT fans here. It's seems that a lot of people on that forum can't stand DT. There are people who still post there who are my friends and it would be cool to be part of it for non Dt things but forget it. I couldn't even have posted this video over there.

[tjanuranus]

So, SnakeEyes, really, just stop exaggerating so much   Especially in such an obnoxious way  

Call me obnoxious all you want, I don't care.  It's my opinion and I'm standing by it.  I'm also not exaggerating anything.  The original had atmosphere, this had none.  I'll leave it at that and I'll stop there.  I know you guys enjoyed it, which is great, and I'm not going to stand in the way of expressing that by repeating how I didn't care for it.  So, carry on.    

Funny, I agree with Snake Eyes. I actually had to stop myself from turning it off before it ended.
What a lack of dynamics. Even in the intro JR got from pianissimo to fortissimo, and instead of going back, at some point, he just stayed there. There are a couple of dynamic dropouts in the original, this one just went on and on.
James was good, although his sound wasn't great (a lot more reverb would have been better), but Jordan's piano sound really wasn't good. I kept saying to myself that it could be the camera not picking up the full sound of the piano, but I don't know.
Jordan played it as I would've played it if my sustain pedal was broken. A lot of notes to fill any unwanted silence. But his sustain pedal wasn't broken.

while it's awesome.. it is still an iphone 4 so the audio isn't going to be that great. For a phone.. yeah it's pretty good though!

[Progmetty]

Beautiful, just beautiful..
Amazing job by Jordan.
Thank you tjanuranus for uploading it, welcome to DTF.

[tjanuranus]

you're welcome. It's really my pleasure. Been a DT fan for a LONG time. Complete fanboy and i make no bones about it.

[ariich]

This thread amuses me, for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, while it's cool that they played the song, why are people making such a big deal and calling it the "worldwide debut" etc? I'm 99.9% certain it's been played before, and wouldn't be surprised if KevMo has played it at some point.

Also, why make such detailed comparisons to the original? This is a cover version in a JR solo gig, it was clearly going to differ a lot from the original.

[Global Laziness]

Firstly, while it's cool that they played the song, why are people making such a big deal and calling it the "worldwide debut" etc? I'm 99.9% certain it's been played before, and wouldn't be surprised if KevMo has played it at some point.

Well it's more like the Dream Theater debut, 17 years later.

[Progmetty]

It's a big deal man, at least for DT fans.

[ZBomber]

This thread amuses me, for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, while it's cool that they played the song, why are people making such a big deal and calling it the "worldwide debut" etc? I'm 99.9% certain it's been played before, and wouldn't be surprised if KevMo has played it at some point.

Also, why make such detailed comparisons to the original? This is a cover version in a JR solo gig, it was clearly going to differ a lot from the original.

Actually I dont think KM ever did it live... AFAIK atleast.

[Nihil-Morari]

Also, why make such detailed comparisons to the original? This is a cover version in a JR solo gig, it was clearly going to differ a lot from the original.

Cause that's what covering is all about. You change things from the original and people like that or not.

[ddtonfire]

Thanks for recording it! JR and JLB did a fantastic job. Sure it was a little fast, but JR kept it quite tame and deliciously tasty!

[Progmetty]

Seriously on the scale of 1 to smoke-coming-out-of-ear; how annoyed is MP right now?

[Nihil-Morari]

Seriously on the scale of 1 to smoke-coming-out-of-ear; how annoyed is MP right now?

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