Do you agree with all the singles DT released?

Started by Moonchild, October 25, 2010, 06:19:28 AM

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Moonchild

Of course this topic is after they released their singles.. and we know one of them had more success than the others combined.
But what if DT released the right singles at the right time from each album. Would they be have become more successful?

I compiled a list I believe should have been Singles from each album, most should be edited to involve radio time, others DT rightfully released as singles.

When Dream and Day Unite - Only a Matter of Time (edit)
Images and Words - Pull me Under (edit), Take the Time (edit) and Under a Glass Moon (edit)
Awake - The Mirror (edit), Lie
FII - Just let me Breathe, Peruvian Skies (edit)
Metropolis Pt.2 - Home (edit), Through Her Eyes
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - Blind Faith (edit) and Misunderstood (edit)
Train of Thought - In the Name of God(edit) and As I am (edit)
Octavarium - These Walls (edit), I walk beside You
Systematic Chaos - Repentance (edit), Prophets of War
Black Clouds - Wither and A Rite of Passage (edit)

ReaPsTA

Here's the question, for what purpose are you releasing the single?  Do you want mainstream radio play?  Do you want to potentially get into Guitar Hero?  Are you trying to appeal specifically to metal and progressive metal listeners?

Sixtease

I agree with Prophets of War. Definitely. This radio station I used to listen when Systematic Chaos came out, the songs that mastered their charts sounded just like that. I even sent that song to the guys at the radio. Of course they ignored me.

jsem


Moonchild

Quote from: ReaPsTA on October 25, 2010, 08:18:05 AM
Here's the question, for what purpose are you releasing the single?  Do you want mainstream radio play?  Do you want to potentially get into Guitar Hero?  Are you trying to appeal specifically to metal and progressive metal listeners?
I think DT and prog metal are outsiders in the mainstream popular culture so there should be more people listening IMO. And for every era of music there are more appealing songs than others. DT should be well known for its diversity in the metal and rock world but they aren't.

Pull me Under(for it's replaying value) and Lie (grunge era) are great DT singles and all of them were chosen at the right time. For example, since Muse were at their pinnacle, Prophets of War should be following them and gather their fanbase. Therefore, more people would listen to DT and be more popular. Other songs IMO, are catchy and ought to have had radio play but because of time issues weren't released. This way DT is more cult based and only few lucky bastards are able to listen.

Other thing. I have little doubts that Pull me under on GH gathered more new fans than the Rock Bands songs.

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inb4YouNotMe

Afterlife is quite catchy, it was released as a promotional single but I doubt it caught much attention. Solitary Shell could've maybe gotten radioplay if it was released as a proper single and if they did a video for it. An edited version of The Spirit Carries On could've been a possible hit too.

Mladen

The biggest mistake DT ever made was not including Cover my eyes on Falling into infinity and releasing it as a single. In the late grunge era, a catchy tune like that would be perfect for MTV. It's odd the band didn't see that potential.

Seventh Son

When Dream and Day Unite - A Fortune in Lies would work pretty well as a single imo. Its fairly catchy and has good energy to it.

Images and Words - Pull Me Under needs no words, but I think Wait for Sleep could be something that you might hear on the radio as well.

Awake - The Mirror. Seriously, why was that not a single? Its got a catchy riff, very dark and gritty, I think it would have done really well right in the middle of the grunge era.

Falling Into Infinity - Anna Lee is something that could work well as a single, maybe.

Scenes From a Memory - The Spirit Carries On. Like, that solo alone would make this song a hit in the right circumstances.

Six Degrees - Goodnight Kiss? Solitary Shell? Maybe Disappear?

Train of Thought - Considering the size of most of the songs, As I Am seems to be the only single worthy song. Maybe Honor Thy Father if it was cut down?

Octavarium - Despite how many people hate it here, I think Panic Attack released as an official single would have done pretty well.

Systematic Chaos - Prophets of War? I hate the song but eh, it could do well maybe.

Black Clouds - AROP edited down I guess. Wither works really well as a single though imo

IdoSC

Only a Matter of Time (edit) - would make a headache to people who never heard of DT. Although I did listen to it a lot when started listening to DT, so maybe they know the work better.
Pull me Under (edit), Take the Time (edit) and Under a Glass Moon (edit) - I love any single song in IAW, can't say anything...btw wasn't Another Day released too?
The Mirror (edit), Lie - great choices, though something more quiet (Silent Man, Lifting Shadows) could work too.
Just let me Breathe, Peruvian Skies (edit) - love most of FII, but Anna Lee or w/e could do better imo.
Home (edit), Through Her Eyes - great choices, not much to do with that album - it speaks for itself.
Blind Faith (edit) and Misunderstood (edit) - this album really needed a part of the song SDOIT to be released. Maybe About to Crash (Reprise), or Losing Time/Grand Finale...or War Inside My Head/The Test for metalheads.
In the Name of God(edit) and As I am (edit) - it needed Endless Sacrifice instead of ItNoG. ItNoG is more of a song for actual fans imo.
These Walls (edit), I walk beside You - not much to do with this album. Again, you could consider The Answer instead of I Walk Beside You.
Repentance (edit), Prophets of War - that's a really bad album for a singer. Forsaken or w/e could work better for hard rock fans though.
Wither and A Rite of Passage (edit) - I HATE ARoP, could hate it as a metalhead who randomly listens to the radio too. It's the only option though, the other songs are too long. Wither is too awesome, especially as a single, it just works well.

T-ski

Quote from: IdoSC on October 25, 2010, 09:27:00 AM
...btw wasn't Another Day released too?


I remember hearing "Another Day" on our local top 40 station back in the day.  Couldn't believe my ears.

Moonchild

Quote from: IdoSC on October 25, 2010, 09:27:00 AM
Only a Matter of Time (edit) - would make a headache to people who never heard of DT. Although I did listen to it a lot when started listening to DT, so maybe they know the work better.

Pull me Under (edit), Take the Time (edit) and Under a Glass Moon (edit) - I love any single song in IAW, can't say anything...btw wasn't Another Day released too? Yep. AD was released but was fairly unsuccessful compared to PMU so probably some song similar to PMU would work.

The Mirror (edit), Lie - great choices, though something more quiet (Silent Man, Lifting Shadows) could work too. SM was a single, didn't work either

Just let me Breathe, Peruvian Skies (edit) - love most of FII, but Anna Lee or w/e could do better imo. I love Anna Lee, could work too.

Home (edit), Through Her Eyes - great choices, not much to do with that album - it speaks for itself.

Blind Faith (edit) and Misunderstood (edit) - this album really needed a part of the song SDOIT to be released. Maybe About to Crash (Reprise), or Losing Time/Grand Finale...or War Inside My Head/The Test for metalheads. War Inside my head and the Test could work IMO
In the Name of God(edit) and As I am (edit) - it needed Endless Sacrifice instead of ItNoG. ItNoG is more of a song for actual fans imo. ITNOG is an easier song to edit than ES Imo

These Walls (edit), I walk beside You - not much to do with this album. Again, you could consider The Answer instead of I Walk Beside You. I like The Answer but I think that doesn't have that single aura. IWBY is light hearted and U2ish

Repentance (edit), Prophets of War - that's a really bad album for a singer. Forsaken or w/e could work better for hard rock fans though. True, SC is the hardest to find a single. POW is the only real one I put while Repentance is wishful thinking for them to edit the damn song without the speaking parts,

Wither and A Rite of Passage (edit) - I HATE ARoP, could hate it as a metalhead who randomly listens to the radio too. It's the only option though, the other songs are too long. Wither is too awesome, especially as a single, it just works well. AROP isn't perfect but worked well as a single. I'd put TBOT but for it's greatness would be a crime to be chopped off

Sixtease

I don't know about Wither. I like that song a lot but you know... if I heard it on radio, I don't know if I'd stop doing what I were doing and ask myself: "Hey, that's gorgeous. What band is that?"

IdoSC

(Answering Moonchild)
Err, first, "that's a really bad album for a singer" - mistake, I meant "single". Thanks for ignoring it :)

ItNoG and ES - while ItNoG is incredible, this album needs to appeal to metalheads. ItNoG is a lot more of an "in the middle" song in that way, while ES (considering it's edited properly) sounds way better for metalheads. Again, in my opinion, but it doesn't matter much.

About IWBY - I really think this song is TOO influenced by U2 and such to actually turn to a successful radio hit. People will just go "oh another U2/name-another-similar-band-here clone, not worth listening to".

Repentance - hell, I wish a cut version was the actual version in the album. Could be nice to hear it live that way too. This song is so...boring after a while.

ARoP - I can't imagine any BCSL song (not including Wither/ARoP) cut properly at all. That's why ARoP is the best "default" single, though I really can't like this song and I can't accept it as a representation for DT. It sounds like a weird attempt to redo something like PMU with a nice and loud instrumental break. The instrumental break WAS quite nice, but the rest of the song is so boring and "by the book" in my opinion, not including the way some lyrics are sung with too much diction imo. In my opinion it either needs a rework or it at least needed a slightly higher register from JLB to keep it interesting.
If anything, I could live with another song being cut. Even though I won't listen to it personally, it'll still represent DT a bit better than ARoP imo.

ZirconBlue

Quote from: IdoSC on October 25, 2010, 11:29:14 AM
About IWBY - I really think this song is TOO influenced by U2 and such to actually turn to a successful radio hit. People will just go "oh another U2/name-another-similar-band-here clone, not worth listening to".


On the other hand a lot of other U2-ish sounding songs by people like Remy Zero and Coldplay were successful around that time, so it might have been a good move.  I could totally see IWBY as one of the songs featured on a WB show, like Smallville or One Tree Hill at the time.

Ħ

I would think that a song like Hollow Years has incredible mainstream potential.  If they wrote a song like that now I don't doubt that it would make the radio.

Infinite Cactus

I feel there are many songs that would have made more sense as singles.

WDADU-Status Seeker, A Fortune In Lies, or Afterlife
I&W - Pull Me Under was a good choice. I feel like Surrounded would have been better than Another Day
Awake - Caught In A Web, Innocence Faded
FII - Just Let Me Breathe, Cover My Eyes, Anna Lee
SFAM - Home, Strange Deja Vu
SDOIT - Misunderstood (Edit), Solitary Shell
TOT - As I Am
8VM - These Walls, Panic Attack
SC - Constant Motion, Forsaken
BCSL - Wither