"Perfect" DT songs

[Dream Team]

Important clarifying point: this is NOT the same thing as your favorite DT songs, or the songs you consider their best. I'm talking about songs that you wouldn't change a single note or section. Example: A Change of Seasons is my fave DT song, but there are a couple of minor parts that I don't think are great or are sub-par. Overture 1928 on the other hand, to me is perfect and I wouldn't change a single thing from beginning to end.

DT songs I consider perfect:
Afterlife (Score version)
Surrounded
Metropolis
Under a Glass Moon
Wait for Sleep
Voices
Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Overture 1928
Fatal Tragedy
One Last Time
Blind Faith
so yeah, no "perfect" songs since 6 Degrees

Top 10 DT songs that (to me) aren't quite perfect:
Octavarium (I could do without the "don't forget we're a heavy band" section known as Intervals)
Learning to Live ("No more to give" through first half of 2nd verse "Listening to the city . . . " is the only weak part of the song)
A Change of Seasons (a couple parts in the instrumental sections could be trimmed)
The Count of Tuscany (the "I" part of the chorus, MP vocals)
The Best of Times (Labrie's vocals in the verses don't work for me)
In the Name of God (too many chorusesmake make the song drag a little)

What DT songs (if any) do you consider perfect?

[Mladen]

Metropolis (one of the best songs of all time)
Ministry of lost souls
A Change of seasons
Octavarium
Scarred

[yorost]

None, but I doubt perfection is achievable in a song.  One can always imagine better if you try.

[ariich]

None, but I doubt perfection is achievable in a song.  One can always imagine better if you try.

Pretty much that. Except by the definition of "songs where you wouldn't change a thing", then all of them. The band or artist writes the song, and if I like it great, and if not then oh well. The whole idea of changing something is pretty meaningless really.

[yorost]

I agree with the additions made by ariich.

[Ben_Jamin]

Agreed with ariich. Those who imagined better became bands like Circus Maximus for example.

[hefdaddy42]

Agreed with ariich. Those who imagined better became bands like Circus Maximus for example.

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

[yorost]

That they imagined better doesn't mean they succeeded.

[Dublagent66]

Agreed with ariich. Those who imagined better became bands like Circus Maximus for example.

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

A vurp? 

[setrataeso]

None, but I doubt perfection is achievable in a song.  One can always imagine better if you try.

Pretty much that. Except by the definition of "songs where you wouldn't change a thing", then all of them. The band or artist writes the song, and if I like it great, and if not then oh well. The whole idea of changing something is pretty meaningless really.

Well, that thread was wrapped up quite nicely.
Well done, ariich.

[Jamesman42]

He defined perfect as a song you wouldn't change a note in. I understand that it's the artists' output and and it's what they gave us, but I agree with the OP that there are songs that imo, are just perfect in themselves. Or something.

Anyway:

Metropolis
A Change of Seasons
Hell's Kitchen
The Glass Prison
Endless Sacrifice
Octavarium
The Count of Tuscany

[zxlkho]

Surrounded
Learning to Live
Scarred
Trial of Tears
A Change of Seasons
Fatal Tragedy
Blind Faith
These Walls
[The Best of Times solo]
The Count of Tuscany

Basically there's at least one on every album except WDADU and SC



EDIT: The Spirit Carries On

[bosk1]

*sigh*  This is impossible to do off the top of my head.  Okay, here goes for all songs that are either perfect, or have a few parts that keep them from being perfect.  So...

Pull Me Under - perfect
Take The Time - suffers only because of some lyrics here and there
Metropolis - Part I "The Miracle And The Sleeper" - perfect
Under A Glass Moon - perfect
Wait For Sleep - perfect
Learning To Live - perfect
6:00 - perfect
Erotomania - perfect
Voices - perfect
The Mirror - perfect
Lie - perfect
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream - perfect
Scarred - perfect
A Change of Seasons – near perfect.  Sometimes, the instrumental sections seem just a tad overlong, but other times, they feel like they are just right
New Millennium - perfect
Peruvian Skies - perfect
Lines In The Sand - perfect
Just Let Me Breathe - perfect
Anna Lee - perfect
Trial Of Tears - perfect
Regression - perfect
Overture 1928 - perfect
Strange Déjà vu - perfect
Through My Words - perfect
Fatal Tragedy - perfect
Beyond This Life - perfect
Through Her Eyes - perfect
Home – unnecessary porn keeps this from being perfect
The Sprit Carries On - perfect
Finally Free - perfect
The Glass Prison – the repetitive heavy riffing section goes on about 45 seconds too long
Misunderstood – outro is too long
The Great Debate - perfect
Disappear - perfect
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence – Overture is a bit too long, and the first half of Goodnight Kiss feels like too abrupt a shift in energy, too long, and too soft
This Dying Soul – The "Blackened" part suddenly makes a very serious, very dark song sound silly.  If not for that part, this would be one of DT's top songs.
Endless Sacrifice – the instrumental section just kills an otherwise very good song.
Vacant - perfect
Stream Of Consciousness - perfect
In The Name Of God - perfect
The Root Of All Evil - perfect
These Walls - perfect
I Walk Beside You - perfect
Panic Attack - perfect
Never Enough - perfect
Sacrificed Sons - perfect
Octavarium - perfect
In The Presence of Enemies – instrumental section is too long and too all over the place
Forsaken - perfect
Constant Motion - perfect
The Dark Eternal Night - perfect
Repentance – a great idea, but given how one-dimensional the song is, it is just too long and repetitive
The Ministry of Lost Souls – the instrumental section sounds completely out of place
A Nightmare To Remember – the "roar" at the end of Mike's vocal sectionkills the killer mood he had just set, and the instrumental portion that follows feels unnecessary and overdone.  Otherwise, the song would be perfect.
A Rite of Passage – perfect
Wither – perfect
The Shattered Fortress – the Repentence reprise is too long and is unnecessary.  The "take all of me" TROAE reprise simultaneously feels epic and forced.  The song would be top notch if these two parts didn't cross the line into reprise hell.
The Count of Tuscany – the volume swell part is just too long to be smack dab in the middle of the song.  Otherwise, flawless.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Surrounded
The Silent Man
6:00
Voices
Blind Faith
Constant Motion
Vacant

[perfectchaos180]

Metropolis
Erotomania
Trial of Tears (probably gonna be disagreed with here)
Fatal Tragedy
Overture 1928
The Dance of Eternity

Thats pretty much it for me, Octavarium is close but the Full Circle section I could do without

[AcidLameLTE]

Agreed with ariich. Those who imagined better became bands like Circus Maximus for example.

LOL

Anyway, I'm just going to make this easy and say "most of Images and Words + Awake".

[wasp2020]

A Change of Season = First section repeats the riff too much
Glass Prison = Instrumental should have ended around 12:00 or so, too many repeats
Six Degrees = Overture should have ended at 6:00, Test Stumped instrumental is too long and boring, Goodnight Kiss first half is too soft, Losing Time and Grand Finale are too slow
Finally Free = I don't like that all the song's original melodies or riffs are never referenced earlier in the album
Only a Matter of Time = the intro cymbals sound awful
Stream of Consciousness = Middle slow section is boring
Octavarium = First section is who cares
Count of Tuscany =  Heavy section is cheesy

Perfect songs would be Surrounded and Metropolis.

[AcidLameLTE]

More complaints from wasp2020:

Trial of Tears - It should have been called "It's Raining"
Scarred - LaBrie should have held the note at the end of: "IT CALMS TO ME TO KNOW THAT I WOOOOON'T" for 0.3 seconds longer
New Millennium - This was released before the year 2000.
One Last Time - This should have been the closing track on SFAM because it has "Last" in the title
Misunderstood - The title makes it sound like a Pink song

[Progmetty]

Metropolis is the only perfect song in DT's catalog, reasonable instrumental wanking ratio, great arrangement and structure, awesome music and the song doesn't overstay it's welcome by a second, there's nothing else by DT I can describe as so.

[icysk8r]

I might add a few notes to PMU...

[AcidLameLTE]

I don't get it.

[icysk8r]

I don't get it.

Are you being serous? lol

[AcidLameLTE]

Sarcasm

[?]

all of I&W and Awake
A Change of Seasons
Peruvian Skies
Most of SFAM
Blind Faith
Disappear
Vacant
In the Name of God
I Walk Beside You
Wither

[zxlkho]

all of I&W and Awake
A Change of Seasons
Peruvian Skies
Most of SFAM
Blind Faith
Disappear
Vacant
In the Name of God
I Walk Beside You
Wither

Really?

[?]

all of I&W and Awake
A Change of Seasons
Peruvian Skies
Most of SFAM
Blind Faith
Disappear
Vacant
In the Name of God
I Walk Beside You
Wither

Really?

I wouldn't change anything about those songs, so yes. They are perfect as they are.

[ariich]

By any definition, Wither is one of DT's strongest contenders for a perfect song.

[zxlkho]

I would agree if it weren't for the cheesy lyrics.

I completely disagree with "I Walk Beside You" though.

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

Take the Time is as perfect as a song can get. Just perfect.

[TAC]

Learning To Live is as perfect as it gets.

[wolfking]

I really don't think I could call any of their songs perfect.  Basically every song in general has parts that I like more than other parts, therefore they wouldn't be perfect.  I can't think of a DT song where I like all parts absolutely equal.  I always say things like "They should repeat that part," or "That part should be shorter/longer." etc.

[CJkins]

Seeing some of you posting I Walk Beside You, I would definitely agree with you if it weren't for the part in the chorus we're he sings "I walk beside you" and ends the "you" with a cracked voice. Other than that, perfect song.

[icysk8r]

I Walk Beside You is a great song, I don't get all the hate.  Well, actually, I DO get the hate... but it's undeserved.

[tri.ad]

Learning To Live really is a strong contender for a perfect song.

Also, To Live Forever.

[ScioPath]

Pull Me Under a Glass Prison Moon