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Falling into Infinity is amazing

Started by SnakeEyes, June 06, 2010, 06:58:02 PM

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DarkLord_Lalinc

Quote from: In The Name Of Rudess on June 09, 2010, 01:06:57 AM
Quote from: toro on June 08, 2010, 07:34:01 PM
Quote from: SnakeEyes on June 08, 2010, 07:19:32 PM
Yes, it does.  He's saying that it sounds like The Beatles, which is true.  I'd say it's more Floyd, though. 
The wasteland SOUNDS NOTHING like tghe beatles really, i dont know waht beatles are we talking about.
And it's actually REALLY Floydish so im with you there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RYvO2X0Oo

So this doesn't sound like the Wasteland you say? The melody is exactly the same.
It isn't.

In The Name Of Rudess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RYvO2X0Oo

Listen to Trial of Tears at 10:44 and the youtube video at 0:17. If you can't hear the similarity between that, you either have a hearing problem or you're too much of a fanboy to accept that they stole it from The Beatles. Even the descending bass line is the same. And before anyone says it's just coincidental, MP is just about the biggest Beatles fan on the planet, so he couldn't have missed this.

Anway, I don't wanna make a big deal out of it, but I think the original artists should be given some credit too.

DarkLord_Lalinc

Quote from: In The Name Of Rudess on June 09, 2010, 08:30:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RYvO2X0Oo

Listen to Trial of Tears at 10:44 and the youtube video at 0:17. If you can't hear the similarity between that, you either have a hearing problem or you're too much of a fanboy to accept that they stole it from The Beatles. And before anyone says it's just coincidental, MP is just about the biggest Beatles fan on the planet, so he couldn't have missed this.

Anway, I don't wanna make a big deal out of it, but I think the original artists should be given some credit too.
there's some similarity, but in no way that's a rip-off. In music, lots of passages share these similarities. Of course there's a lot of influences in Dream Theater songs, but you're making a big deal out of nothing.

KevShmev

We are fan boys? :lol  I have been probably overly critical of the band over the years for there many "borrowed" riffs and melodies, so the idea that I am a huge fan boy looking to defend the band at all costs is funny to me.  Yes, they have their moments of borrowing, but this is one is so far off the mark.  I have been listening to that Beatles song for over 20 years, and the DT song since it came out, and I have never thought either sounded like the other.  And listening just now, nope, still don't hear it.  

changing_seasons

Hell's Kitchen is amazing.

That is all.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: In The Name Of Rudess on June 09, 2010, 08:30:29 AM
Anway, I don't wanna make a big deal out of it
Too late for that.



Quote from: In The Name Of Rudess on June 09, 2010, 08:30:29 AMbut I think the original artists should be given some credit too.
:\ Give me a break.  They aren't similar enough.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

SnakeEyes

I don't think it's a rip-off.  But, DT DOES "try" to make their music sound like other bands sometimes.  That's a fact ("inspiration corner").  So, maybe they didn't steal a melody note for note, but it's very possible that they said, "let's try to make this sound Beatles-esque or Floyd-ish."  I don't mind if they did that, I just don't care for the sound of it.  I think it's stupid sounding. 

KevShmev


Dublagent66

Quote from: In The Name Of Rudess on June 09, 2010, 08:30:29 AM
Anway, I don't wanna make a big deal out of it, but I think the original artists should be given some credit too.

Well, it's not a cover song so DT is the original artist.


toro

Quote from: In The Name Of Rudess on June 09, 2010, 08:30:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RYvO2X0Oo

Listen to Trial of Tears at 10:44 and the youtube video at 0:17. If you can't hear the similarity between that, you either have a hearing problem or you're too much of a fanboy to accept that they stole it from The Beatles. Even the descending bass line is the same. And before anyone says it's just coincidental, MP is just about the biggest Beatles fan on the planet, so he couldn't have missed this.

Anway, I don't wanna make a big deal out of it, but I think the original artists should be given some credit too.
>Calls us fanboys
Sorry there are practically 0 similaritys between the songs.

Sigz

I'm incredibly confused right now.

SnakeEyes

Quote from: KevShmev on June 09, 2010, 10:52:09 AM
I think you are stupid sounding. :biggrin: :p ;)

You know, I hear that a lot!  :lol

edit..

.... mostly from dumb ass liberals, though.  Go figure! 

ZKX-2099

So how about that Falling Into Infinity...

reneranucci

Quote from: SnakeEyes on June 09, 2010, 10:46:07 AM
I don't think it's a rip-off.  But, DT DOES "try" to make their music sound like other bands sometimes.  That's a fact ("inspiration corner").  So, maybe they didn't steal a melody note for note, but it's very possible that they said, "let's try to make this sound Beatles-esque or Floyd-ish."  I don't mind if they did that, I just don't care for the sound of it.  I think it's stupid sounding.  
It sounds very DT-esque to me.

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austin

Quote from: Nic35 on June 06, 2010, 07:09:28 PM
This album is quite special. It has some of DT's best (LITS, TOT, Hell's Kitchen) and it has the most awful songs DT has done (Burning My Soul, You Not Me)
this

also,
IMO the best sound of all dt's albums (you know, production wise)

Adami

I recently listened to You Not Me again. I gotta say, the verses and chorus are pretty lame, but the outro is pretty damn awesome, anyone agree?
www. fanticide.bandcamp . com

Ben_Jamin

I don't mind the main riff. i just wish they'd left the piano part. it's one of my Fav. sections off of what could've been

tri.ad

Quote from: Ben_Jamin on June 15, 2010, 01:10:48 AM
I don't mind the main riff. i just wish they'd left the piano part. it's one of my Fav. sections off of what could've been

I agree with that. The piano riff is indeed amazing, and James's harmony vocals over it are not bad either.

Adami

I assume you're reffering to the demo version?
www. fanticide.bandcamp . com

contest_sanity

I like the whole song, but, yes, Adami, the ending is cool -- very Awake-like.

DarkEternalNight

I think it has some amazing songs. I have yet to hear all the demos and it's my fourth favorite DT album.

BRGM

Just listened to "You or me" it's actually better than you not me.

YtseBitsySpider

Most good musicians borrow thematically from the Beatles.

This album is outstanding because it had DT's best keyboardist playing on it.

I don't think DT borrows/rips anyone off...they are undeniably unique.
However, Peruvian skies is a big homage to Pink Floyd and a crappy one too.

AwakeFromOctavarium

I honestly consider Kevin Moore as the best keyboardist DT has ever had. Derek is unique in sounds, and his influence was significant, but not as that of Kevin Moore.

BRGM

I think Rudess is the best, Derek is almost as good, Moore is kinda Meh for me

ScioPath

I think if it came down to raw skill, Rudess would win, and he deserves to; the guy went to f***ing Julliard when he was NINE, and has been a genius at the piano for forty years!

On another note, however, I do think that each keyboard player in DT had their own unique sound, and I like the three of them equally.

BRGM

Quote from: ScioPath on June 16, 2010, 07:05:05 AM
I think if it came down to raw skill, Rudess would win, and he deserves to; the guy went to f***ing Julliard when he was NINE, and has been a genius at the piano for forty years!

On another note, however, I do think that each keyboard player in DT had their own unique sound, and I like the three of them equally.

Agree kinda almost, btu I am not a really big fan of Old DT

ScioPath


hefdaddy42

Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

toro

Quote from: BRGM on June 16, 2010, 07:52:27 AM
Agree kinda almost, btu I am not a really big fan of Old DT

ORLY.jpg

ScioPath