Do you like Raw Dog?

[antigoon]

...What's the big deal?

[hefdaddy42]

It's specific to there.  Leave it there.

[skydivingninja]

Avatar quoting = lame

But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...whenever I've seen it at 5/8 I've never understood why.

[emindead]

Avatar quoting = lame

But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...

THANK YOU! Jeez!

[Plasmastrike]

Avatar quoting = lame

But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...

THANK YOU! Jeez!

*shrug*

I thought it was clever and don't know anything about this whole 5/8 connection.

[skydivingninja]

Avatar quoting = lame

But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...

THANK YOU! Jeez!

o/

[Jamesman42]

Avatar quoting = lame

But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...

THANK YOU! Jeez!

o/

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[LCArenas]

Avatar quoting = lame

But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...

THANK YOU! Jeez!

o/

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[emindead]

Avatar quoting = lame

But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...

THANK YOU! Jeez!

o/

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[Summers]

People keep bashing the intro but it's the best part for me.  I especially love the part when JR comes in with the eerie choir. 

[rumborak]

It's ok-ish for me, what bothers me is that some hits aren't on, something that wouldn't have happened on a regular DT record.

rumborak

[PixelDream]

It's ok-ish for me, what bothers me is that some hits aren't on, something that wouldn't have happened on a regular DT record.

rumborak

Are you talking about the intro or about the entire song?

[rumborak]

It's ok-ish for me, what bothers me is that some hits aren't on, something that wouldn't have happened on a regular DT record.

rumborak

Are you talking about the intro or about the entire song?

Just the intro. Once they settle into the regular beat, I didn't hear any timing issues.

rumborak

[ScioPath]

Yeah i liked it enough to purchase it, shreds in some parts, but not really ...

RAW DOG = GOD WAR

[emindead]

RAW DOG = GOD WAR

HOLY SHIT!

[antigoon]

RAW DOG = GOD WAR

HOLY SHIT!

YOU GOTTA WARN PEOPLE BEFORE YOU BLOW THEIR MINDS LIKE THAT AGAIN!

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Yeah i liked it enough to purchase it, shreds in some parts, but not really ...

RAW DOG = GOD WAR

[jcmistat]

Just listened to it I liked it.

[Ben_Jamin]

Just listened to it I liked it.

Yea its a nice Metal song to just rock out to. Shame that JLB objected to the idea though, I can hear spots where it feels it needs vocals. The ending is what brought this song down, if only they had their way with the samples, then it would've been epically awesome, the ending that is.

It would work out live to me, would be cool to hear them go into it after These Walls, just go dun-dun-dun dundundun dun dun

[hefdaddy42]

Shame that JLB objected to the idea

He didn't.  MP objected to flying JLB down for 3 days of writing/recording.

[YtseBitsySpider]

I enjoy the song, I enjoy the Trivium and Killswitch songs more. Seems they got more into the spirit of things...then again who knows what exactly was requested from DreamTheater.

Whatever an acceptable tune

[orcus116]

Shame that JLB objected to the idea

He didn't.  MP objected to flying JLB down for 3 days of writing/recording.

Plus I can't imagine any good lyrics or vocal parts would've come out of it given the nature of the song.

[Marvellous G]

A week or however long it's been later and nope, it's still my least favourite DT song. Ah well, I tried to get into it and I'm not gonna whine anymore.

[Ben_Jamin]

Shame that JLB objected to the idea

He didn't.  MP objected to flying JLB down for 3 days of writing/recording.

Plus I can't imagine any good lyrics or vocal parts would've come out of it given the nature of the song.

If they had more time, maybe?  Yeah, it is what it is. An energetic rockin instrumental.

[OperantChamber]

I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.

[FlashCE]

I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.

With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.

It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war. 

[Perpetual Change]

I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.

With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.

It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war. 

Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.

[ReaPsTA]

I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.

With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.

It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war. 

Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.

Raw Dog isn't mastered any hotter than BCSL. It only seems that way because the material is so much heavier overall. Compared to The Shattered Fortress or even the heavy parts of Wither, the Dynamic range is about the same.

[Groundhog]

I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.

With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.

It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war. 

Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.

Raw Dog isn't mastered any hotter than BCSL. It only seems that way because the material is so much heavier overall. Compared to The Shattered Fortress or even the heavy parts of Wither, the Dynamic range is about the same.

Considering the fact that they've stated to be against the loudness war, BC&SL is still very loud album and Raw Dog is extremely compressed. The average dB of dynamics is the same on BC&SL and SC - around 6 dB. What happened between them deciding to make a more dynamic record and them releasing it as a loud record? In my books DT is still very much a victim of loudness war.

[FlashCE]

I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.

With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.

It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war. 

Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.

Raw Dog isn't mastered any hotter than BCSL. It only seems that way because the material is so much heavier overall. Compared to The Shattered Fortress or even the heavy parts of Wither, the Dynamic range is about the same.

You speak like BCSL has great mastering.

[Plasmastrike]

I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.

With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.

It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war. 

Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.

Raw Dog isn't mastered any hotter than BCSL. It only seems that way because the material is so much heavier overall. Compared to The Shattered Fortress or even the heavy parts of Wither, the Dynamic range is about the same.

You speak like BCSL has great mastering.

I got the vibe that he meant the opposite.

[Perpetual Change]

BC&SL kinda fails at stepping away from the loudness war because, though they DID scale things back, they didn't really scale things back enough to make a difference.  So they lost all the benefits of having a really loud, heavy hitting album like SC without reaping much of the benefits that the truly "dynamic" albums have.

[orcus116]

The only benefit of SC being loud is that it had the potential to make you deaf enough not have to listen to it again.

[ACID_FOX]

BC&SL's production is one of the main reasons I'm not paticulary fond of it 

[Volk9]

Raw dog = sex position with an edgy twist?