Do you like Raw Dog?

[Dream Team]

Boy, you guys will argue about anything.  It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?

I liked it, for what it was. I've only heard it once, but it sounded like a much heavier, more static liquid tension experiment. So like. Solid Tension Experiment, hehe.
I liked the polyrhymical parts, I hope they will write with more of those. Yes most of the riffs were just thrown together, left overs from BCSL, but its just a fun nonsense track. I'm sure they didn't sit down and discuss the theme and meaning of it at all.

This is music, fun is not allowed!

[FlashCE]

Boy, you guys will argue about anything.  It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?

I liked it, for what it was. I've only heard it once, but it sounded like a much heavier, more static liquid tension experiment. So like. Solid Tension Experiment, hehe.
I liked the polyrhymical parts, I hope they will write with more of those. Yes most of the riffs were just thrown together, left overs from BCSL, but its just a fun nonsense track. I'm sure they didn't sit down and discuss the theme and meaning of it at all.

Which are the polyrhythmic parts? I haven't really analysed anything but they just sound like normal odd times that DT have been doing for years.

[orcus116]

Boy, you guys will argue about anything.  It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?

No one's saying they can't have fun but a song with little to no effort put into it is still a song with little to no effort put into it and it shows.

[rumborak]

It has some good sections. The part at 5:30 is fun (somewhat TDOE-like), and the one at 3:20 too (sounds like from Suspended Animation).
The solo section is on the more superfluous side of the spectrum however.

rumborak

[hefdaddy42]

Boy, you guys will argue about anything.  It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?

Yes most of the riffs were just thrown together, left overs from BCSL, but its just a fun nonsense track. I'm sure they didn't sit down and discuss the theme and meaning of it at all.

I don't understand your point.

[ResultsMayVary]

The song is brutal and has some awesome sections in it. I like the song. 

[OperantChamber]

AOL Posted a link to download one of the in game songs:
https://www.aolradioblog.com/2010/03/05/god-of-war-3-soundtrack-brothers-of-blood-free-mp3-download/

Very epic as always.

[j]

WTF is with the LTE comparisons?  Opinions of the song's quality aside, I don't hear any basis for that at all.

-J

[rumborak]

AOL Posted a link to download one of the in game songs:
https://www.aolradioblog.com/2010/03/05/god-of-war-3-soundtrack-brothers-of-blood-free-mp3-download/

Very epic as always.

Ugh. What an unimaginative piece of music.

rumborak

[OperantChamber]

AOL Posted a link to download one of the in game songs:
https://www.aolradioblog.com/2010/03/05/god-of-war-3-soundtrack-brothers-of-blood-free-mp3-download/

Very epic as always.

Ugh. What an unimaginative piece of music.

rumborak

Well if you don't like that one then I strongly advise you don't listen to the rest of the soundtrack because it'll be 100% that.

[faemir]

It's great, and if you guys really think it's the direction they are going... okay i'll just say it. They aren't. It was specifically tailored towards God of War, an over-the-top gore-filled action hack and slash button masher video game. Note that it's an instrumental as well?

[orcus116]

So? Plus I don't think anyone has to worry about this being the direction they're going in. Aside from the first minute or so, this is the direction they're going in, as in it's standard fare in terms of DT instrumental/solo sections go. What I'm the most disappointed in is that this is the first time in 7 years that they're allowed to produce something instrumental and instead of sitting back and going "hey, let's let this offbeat thing be a live staple" or something similar they completely half-assed it. Who cares if this is a stupid video game tie-in EP? Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.

[contest_sanity]

Most people don't realize that 'Raw Dog' is actually played backwards as well.  If you listen to the "God War" version, where they play the song from beginning to end rather than vice versa, it's the greatest song ever made.

[FlashCE]

It's great, and if you guys really think it's the direction they are going... okay i'll just say it. They aren't. It was specifically tailored towards God of War, an over-the-top gore-filled action hack and slash button masher video game. Note that it's an instrumental as well?

I've said it a million times but God of War has never been about heavy metal music. Also, it's an instrumental because they didn't have time to get James down to do the vocals.

[Kyo]

And WTF with people saying it's OK "in the context of the game."  It's not in the game.

huh, really?....what the hell is the point of having a soundtrack that's not music from the game? 

The point is to create a buzz through cross-promotion - fans of the participating
bands might check out the game and maybe even buy that super deluxe rip-off
collector's edition, fans of the game might check out the bands' music.

I've said it a million times but God of War has never been about heavy metal music. Also, it's an instrumental because they didn't have time to get James down to do the vocals.

More like they didn't have the time to actually write lyrics for James to sing.
Of course there's a way to work around this problem. It's simply called "writing
before entering the studio", something they were once pretty damn good at.

[Perpetual Change]

So? Plus I don't think anyone has to worry about this being the direction they're going in. Aside from the first minute or so, this is the direction they're going in, as in it's standard fare in terms of DT instrumental/solo sections go. What I'm the most disappointed in is that this is the first time in 7 years that they're allowed to produce something instrumental and instead of sitting back and going "hey, let's let this offbeat thing be a live staple" or something similar they completely half-assed it. Who cares if this is a stupid video game tie-in EP? Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.

As I'm listening to the EP, I really am getting the feeling that none of the bands took it very seriously.

[hefdaddy42]

So? Plus I don't think anyone has to worry about this being the direction they're going in. Aside from the first minute or so, this is the direction they're going in, as in it's standard fare in terms of DT instrumental/solo sections go. What I'm the most disappointed in is that this is the first time in 7 years that they're allowed to produce something instrumental and instead of sitting back and going "hey, let's let this offbeat thing be a live staple" or something similar they completely half-assed it. Who cares if this is a stupid video game tie-in EP? Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.

As I'm listening to the EP, I really am getting the feeling that none of the bands took it very seriously.

I hope they didn't.  Because I think that the DT and Opeth tracks are BY FAR the two best tracks on the EP, and neither one of them is very impressive.

[ReaPsTA]

I hope they didn't.  Because I think that the DT and Opeth tracks are BY FAR the two best tracks on the EP, and neither one of them is very impressive.

Am I to understand that you don't like Raw Dog?

It seems I have made a powerful enemy.

[hefdaddy42]

I hope they didn't.  Because I think that the DT and Opeth tracks are BY FAR the two best tracks on the EP, and neither one of them is very impressive.

Am I to understand that you don't like Raw Dog?

It seems I have made a powerful enemy.

I don't hate it, but it's not that great.

I love the beginning, it's King Crimson-ish, but thereafter it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections. 

I feel that it is definitely the least of their instrumentals, by a long way.  But I wouldn't necessarily skip it if it came up on shuffle, and if I were at a show where they played it live, I would be OK with it.

[rumborak]

Especially when you consider how MP had said he had specifically wanted this tune to be an instrumental, like Erotomania and the others, since they hadn't done one in a long time. I don't understand how they would, under that high-aim premise, just scoop up some old BCSL riffs they didn't want to use on the actual record, concatenate them and solo over it. You can't tell me that that's how Erotomania or TDOE were written back in the day.

Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.

Words of wisdom. The end product is what counts, and if it bears your name, you will be judged by it.

rumborak

[ariich]

Especially when you consider how MP had said he had specifically wanted this tune to be an instrumental, like Erotomania and the others, since they hadn't done one in a long time. I don't understand how they would, under that high-aim premise, just scoop up some old BCSL riffs they didn't want to use on the actual record, concatenate them and solo over it. You can't tell me that that's how Erotomania or TDOE were written back in the day.

Um, TDoE certainly sounds that way. A lot more so than Raw Dog I'd say.

[ReaPsTA]

Especially when you consider how MP had said he had specifically wanted this tune to be an instrumental, like Erotomania and the others, since they hadn't done one in a long time. I don't understand how they would, under that high-aim premise, just scoop up some old BCSL riffs they didn't want to use on the actual record, concatenate them and solo over it. You can't tell me that that's how Erotomania or TDOE were written back in the day.

Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.

Words of wisdom. The end product is what counts, and if it bears your name, you will be judged by it.

rumborak

I get the impression that the band likes the song, took it seriously, and is perfectly willing to be judged based on it.

[dech2410]

I don't like it that much, but for god of war it's great.

The only thing I hate is that DT has one of the best keyboardists in the world, and what he can do isn't used properly. I imagined an instrumental with a lot of choirs, but the thing ended out to be one big medley with the guitar as a majority.

[Perpetual Change]

Raw Dog is like a bologna & cheese sandwich on two really tasty, homemade pieces of bread.

[hefdaddy42]

I get the impression that the band likes the song, took it seriously, and is perfectly willing to be judged based on it.

Oh, I'm sure they are happy with it.  Or that MP and JP are happy with it, at least.

I like some of the parts of the song, I just don't think they go together.  And I think that JR is wasted for much of the song.  But, like I said, it's OK.  I don't hate it.  But I would rather listen to any of the other instrumentals instead of this one.

[j]

I don't hate it, but it's not that great.

I love the beginning, it's King Crimson-ish, but thereafter it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections. 

I feel that it is definitely the least of their instrumentals, by a long way.  But I wouldn't necessarily skip it if it came up on shuffle, and if I were at a show where they played it live, I would be OK with it.

Give me back my opinion, sir.

-J

[hefdaddy42]

*gives opinion back*

[ReaPsTA]

*gives opinion back*

So now do you admit Raw Dog owns your soul?

[hefdaddy42]

*gives opinion back*

So now do you admit Raw Dog owns your soul?

No.

[j]

*gives opinion back*

Thank you.

So now do you admit Raw Dog owns your soul?

I'm allowing hef to retain partial ownership of the opinion, to avoid an ugly custody battle.

-J

[orcus116]

Man that opinion is gonna have one fucked up future.

[hefdaddy42]

Assholes are like opinions.

Wait, what?

[DarkEternalNight]

Eh. I like it, a bit too random though.

[bosk1]

...it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections. 

I really feel like we're talking about Hell's Kitchen now.

[orcus116]

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?