Nightwish...

[ErHaO]

I would not bet on that.

Asked if this literature will work itself into his lyrics, or even inspire the next NIGHTWISH album, Tuomas said: "I already know now that since I have been so enthusiastic about this kind of literature for the past few months, and will be for the upcoming months, that it's going to come out somehow. I don't know how just yet, but it will come out. I know it from experience."

He added: "Sometimes I come across interviews I did ten years ago and see that I am quite a different person. So something has happened say during the past five, six, seven years, and a lot of it has to do with the books that I've read, mainly Whitman, Hitchens and Dawkins."

(blabbermouth)

So yeah, there is at least a song going to feature arguments against religion from a scientific and evidence based point of view I think.

[MoraWintersoul]

Eh, I don't know. While as an atheist I agree with some of the core principles of Dawkins' career (evolution is a real thing, there is no God), I can't help but see him as a raging irritating douche because of the way he comes off. Tuomas seems irritating to me in the exact same way, so they're probably a good match

[bosk1]

Eh, I don't know. While as an atheist I agree with some of the core principles of Dawkins' career (evolution is a real thing, there is no God), I can't help but see him as a raging irritating douche because of the way he comes off. Tuomas seems irritating to me in the exact same way, so they're probably a good match

I...actually completely agree with that.

[?]

Nightwish is officially stadium rock now

I may go to the Tampere show if the tickets don't sell out immediately. I've seen both NW and COB live once and I don't really listen to either band anymore, but this will definitely be a cool event, and I'm curious to hear how NW sounds with Floor and Kai Hahto.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Judging on the DVD and youtube videos, prepare to be amazed. Floor is the best vocalist that's even been with them IMO.

[bosk1]

Judging on the DVD and youtube videos, prepare to be amazed. Floor is the best vocalist that's even been with them IMO.

Agreed.  Which is why I hope the new album doesn't suck.  I fell in love with this band for Century Child and Once, but as I explored their back catalog, I discovered a band that is wildly inconsistent, a pattern I found to be further perpetuated when they released Dark Passion Play.  Imaginaerum was VERY good.  But given Tuomas' track record, I have no idea what to expect from the new one.  At the very least, I am sure I will enjoy at least some of the songs on the new one from a musical perspective.  Hopefully, the lyrics or an inconsistency in musical quality do not end up spoiling the album.

[bosk1]

On a different but related topic:  As I said many times, DPP was written before the band had decided on hiring Anette.  Hence, it was not written with her voice in mind.  While she does fine on the album, I think it could have been a stronger effort had it been written for her voice and specific skill set.  Imaginaerum was written with her in mind, and it shows.  I feel the album really allows her to shine. 

But that said, since she is no longer in the band, there is a part of me that wishes the band would re-record it with Floor.  The more rational part of me wants them to just leave it alone and avoid disrespecting Anette by re-booting the album with new vocals, but the part of me that recognizes Floor as a superior vocalist would really love to hear the studio tracks with her voice on them.  The live versions on Showtime, Storytime somewhat satiate that desire.  And, honestly, given that we have Showtime, Storytime, I don't see a re-record happening.  But I still can't help wishing that there was one.  Anyone else strongly agree/disagree?

[Mister Gold]

On a different but related topic:  As I said many times, DPP was written before the band had decided on hiring Anette.  Hence, it was not written with her voice in mind.  While she does fine on the album, I think it could have been a stronger effort had it been written for her voice and specific skill set.  Imaginaerum was written with her in mind, and it shows.  I feel the album really allows her to shine. 

But that said, since she is no longer in the band, there is a part of me that wishes the band would re-record it with Floor.  The more rational part of me wants them to just leave it alone and avoid disrespecting Anette by re-booting the album with new vocals, but the part of me that recognizes Floor as a superior vocalist would really love to hear the studio tracks with her voice on them.  The live versions on Showtime, Storytime somewhat satiate that desire.  And, honestly, given that we have Showtime, Storytime, I don't see a re-record happening.  But I still can't help wishing that there was one.  Anyone else strongly agree/disagree?

I agree with you, actually. Anette did a good job on Imaginareum, but Floor's live performances generally wipe the floor with what Anette did on the studio version (much like Bruce Dickinson's performances of songs like Phantom of the Opera put the original Dianno version to shame). Then again, I'd also kill to hear them re-record Century Child or Once with Floor too, considering I'm not a big fan of Tarja either.  

[cramx3]

They should just keep releasing live albums with Floor singing more and more of the back catalogue.  She can clearly sing all the songs so far.

[bosk1]

They should just keep releasing live albums with Floor singing more and more of the back catalogue.  She can clearly sing all the songs so far.

I don't think "so far" is even applicable.  She has the skills to sing anything they have ever put out.

[jingle.boy]

They should just keep releasing live albums with Floor singing more and more of the back catalogue.  She can clearly sing all the songs so far.

I don't think "so far" is even applicable.  She has the skills to sing anything they have ever put out.

Considering she handles the grunts/growlies in ReVamp too, you could change the above as such.

No need to invest the time/money to re-record any past material (Annette or Tarja era) in the studio.  Just keep doing more live releases.  Floor gives us the best of Tarja (operatic and range), and Annette (melodic) and then adds the POWAH!!!

[cramx3]

They should just keep releasing live albums with Floor singing more and more of the back catalogue.  She can clearly sing all the songs so far.

I don't think "so far" is even applicable.  She has the skills to sing anything they have ever put out.

True, didn't mean that as I thought there may be songs she can't somg, just that she has already proven she can on the songs she's performed.  I Do hope they open the catalogue up on the next tour and play more songs that Haven't been played in awhile.

[adace]

Dat lineup

[Sacul]

Listened to Once for the first time today, and was blown away by how good this band is without being too cheesy. Cool stuff.

[jingle.boy]

Listened to Once for the first time today, and was blown away by how good this band is without being too cheesy. Cool stuff.

Once is good; Century Child is the best them.

[bosk1]

Listened to Once for the first time today, and was blown away by how good this band is without being too cheesy. Cool stuff.

Once is good; Century Child is the best them.

Honestly, you can't go wrong with either one.  They are neck-and-neck for best album in my opinion.

[Zook]

I still say Imaginaerum is better than both, and by that I mean it's more consistant. Once and Century Child have a few duds, while Imaginaerum has none.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

I still say Imaginaerum is better than both, and by that I mean it's more consistant. Once and Century Child have a few duds, while Imaginaerum has none.

To each their own. I think that Century Child is just about a perfect album with all good to great songs (with Beauty of the Beast being the best thing the band has ever done).  Meanwhile, I only like about half the songs on Imaginaerum.

[gazinwales]

Imaginaerum I did not like at all, then I listened to the instrumental version and loved it.
So it was AO voice that didn't click for me, but I did like her on DPP.
But I saw her a few times live and really she could not cut it on (most of) the Tarja era material.

The 2 most consistent and the albums I always come back to are, Oceanborn and Once.
Those are my 2 Nightwish masterpieces, that will never be bettered IMO.

That said I am really looking forward to hearing Floor sing on the new album.
I'm still sitting on the fence with her 

[jingle.boy]

I still say Imaginaerum is better than both, and by that I mean it's more consistant. Once and Century Child have a few duds, while Imaginaerum has none.

To each their own. I think that Century Child is just about a perfect album with all good to great songs (with Beauty of the Beast being the best thing the band has ever done).  Meanwhile, I only like about half the songs on Imaginaerum.

This exactly. Every word.

[425]

I still say Imaginaerum is better than both, and by that I mean it's more consistant. Once and Century Child have a few duds, while Imaginaerum has none.

I agree. Century Child to me is the more consistent of the two and pretty close to Imaginaerum, but I think Imaginaerum is the most consistent album they've put out. And it really is just because End of All Hope, Slaying the Dreamer and The Phantom of the Opera aren't exactly my favorites. Beauty of the Beast, Ever Dream, Bless the Child and others are all spectacular.

[The King in Crimson]

Anyone else strongly agree/disagree?

I don't think the presence of Floor will be enough to make up for the major shortcomings of DPP namely, the songwriting, which is just weak. I'd personally rather see them focus on new material as opposed to polishing a fairly mediocre album. I mean, even if I think it's kinda weak, it's not so bad that it's desperately calling out to be redone and Annette is pretty good on it (blasphemy, yes I know).

[Zook]

Beauty of the Beast is cool and all, but doesn't compare to Ghost Love Score. That song is Nightwish's masterpiece.

[425]

I would agree that Ghost Love Score is the best Nightwish song (though Song of Myself would have a serious case if the poem part—which I don't entirely hate, just don't entirely love—didn't drag it down). But Beauty of the Beast is seriously amazing as well.

[gazinwales]

I just watched the Imagiaerum movie, for the first 20 odd minutes, I had no idea what was going on.
But after a while it started to make sense, the music sounds great and mixes well with the action.
I wasn't sure what I was getting, but ended up really enjoying it.

[cramx3]

Beauty of the Beast is cool and all, but doesn't compare to Ghost Love Score. That song is Nightwish's masterpiece.

I like Beauty of the Beast more, my favorite NW song.  Ever Dream may be my #2 song, but Century Child is actually #3 on my list.  I love Once and Wishmaster a bit more.

[bosk1]

...And it really is just because End of All Hope, Slaying the Dreamer and The Phantom of the Opera aren't exactly my favorites.

Okay, well since those are the top 3 on the album for me, we are definitely not a match. 

[bl5150]

I don't believe Update 7 has been posted as yet , so.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LxuJGioqVxI

[YtseCullen]

Colour me excited 

[425]

...And it really is just because End of All Hope, Slaying the Dreamer and The Phantom of the Opera aren't exactly my favorites.

Okay, well since those are the top 3 on the album for me, we are definitely not a match. 

Wow, how did that happen? I mean, I don't dislike any of them, but for me they're not at the godly level of the rest of Century Child.



Anyway, came in here to post this:

[cramx3]

Is Find the Origin the new album title?  I saw that on facebook but never saw an announcement on the album title.

[425]

It says in the description of the picture I just posted that they will announce the album title at (or around, I'm assuming) Christmas. I would assume it's somehow related, though.

[MoraWintersoul]

Seeing the words "find the origin" and the picture of the fossil confirm that this is largely gonna be about evolution. at least that accounts for no more dead boy poets

[425]

Yeah, that was my thought as well: this more likely than not represents a rather significant shift in lyrical direction for Tuomas.

[Mister Gold]

Yeah, that was my thought as well: this more likely than not represents a rather significant shift in lyrical direction for Tuomas.

No kidding. Kinda ironic that he seems to have made such a shift in that direction, as my biggest concern with the upcoming album had previously been whether or not the lyrics would be anything decent. I mean it's still a possibility that Tuomas might not be able to write such lyrics with proper tact and what-not, but despite my personal hesitancy on Richard Dawkins' involvement, I'm interested in seeing if Tuomas can pull this change off.