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« Reply #175 on: September 20, 2010, 03:46:40 PM »
Who pays full price for CD's online?

I don't

I don't either. On Amazon, I save anywhere from 15-75% on new CDs. Amazon Marketplace is the best thing ever. I've bought entire discographies that way, saving a TON of money. If it weren't for that, I'd probably have bought everything digitally, but I'm really happy I collect/purchase physical products, and I do so at a relatively low price!

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« Reply #176 on: September 20, 2010, 04:02:52 PM »
Hmmm... if this is true, I may someday buy CDs online again.  Five years ago, that definitely wasn't the case.  Amazon was known for their huge selection, but you always paid for it, which is why I chose to complete all my back catalogues via alternative means.

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« Reply #177 on: September 20, 2010, 04:05:28 PM »
For anything else, you have to go online, and that usually means paying full price.

And that means, for me at least, you don't get to go to record stores and walk out with the albums you were looking for. That to me is almost as important as having the physical product. :-\

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« Reply #178 on: September 20, 2010, 04:14:05 PM »
Hmmm... if this is true, I may someday buy CDs online again.  Five years ago, that definitely wasn't the case.  Amazon was known for their huge selection, but you always paid for it, which is why I chose to complete all my back catalogues via alternative means.

These days they're almost always discounted. Not only that, though, the third-party sellers on Amazon sell them for even cheaper. I've been buying CD's from a store in Virginia/North Carolina called MovieMars for about a year now, at an average 8 bucks per album +2 bucks S/H. Not bad at all. You have to look at their ratings though, much like eBay

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« Reply #179 on: September 20, 2010, 04:17:23 PM »
For anything else, you have to go online, and that usually means paying full price.

And that means, for me at least, you don't get to go to record stores and walk out with the albums you were looking for. That to me is almost as important as having the physical product. :-\

Unfortunately, most record stores may not carry some of the more obscure releases that prog-fans are often looking for, especially if they're only being sold through a band's own label, which many have these days (Marillion, Steven Wilson/PT, The Flower Kings/Roine Stolt have Foxtrot while Jonas Reingold has Reingold Records).

And like PLM, I have bought from many high-rated sellers on Amazon, including moviemars, importcds, and many many more. As my personal rule of thumb, I only buy from sellers with a rating of 95% or higher, and generally with at least a few thousand feedback.

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Re: Genesis Appreciation/Discussion
« Reply #180 on: September 21, 2010, 11:06:54 PM »
Guys, I have the best theory about "The Cinema Show". Basically, the lyrics are about two people getting ready for there date. Romeo wishes to "go to bed with" Juliet, so he is hoping for some action. Basically, the middle part with the beautiful vocal layerings is the date, and how great it is going.. Maybe how well they enjoyed the movie. Then the pace changes. They arrive at Juliet's house, and they proceed inside, and as they walk in, the keyboard solo starts.. for you see, the keyboard solo is the sex.  :police:

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« Reply #181 on: September 21, 2010, 11:14:38 PM »
Guys, I have the best theory about "The Cinema Show". Basically, the lyrics are about two people getting ready for there date. Romeo wishes to "go to bed with" Juliet, so he is hoping for some action. Basically, the middle part with the beautiful vocal layerings is the date, and how great it is going.. Maybe how well they enjoyed the movie. Then the pace changes. They arrive at Juliet's house, and they proceed inside, and as they walk in, the keyboard solo starts.. for you see, the keyboard solo is the sex.  :police:

hahaha

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Re: Genesis Appreciation/Discussion
« Reply #182 on: September 21, 2010, 11:25:09 PM »
I am buying selling england right now...I never have given them a try other than a few of their radio hits.  we will see how it goes
is there a quintessential song that is recommended that says it all about them?

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« Reply #183 on: September 21, 2010, 11:37:36 PM »

is there a quintessential song that is recommended that says it all about them?

"Firth of Fifth."

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« Reply #184 on: September 21, 2010, 11:41:35 PM »
I am buying selling england right now...I never have given them a try other than a few of their radio hits.  we will see how it goes
is there a quintessential song that is recommended that says it all about them?

"Firth of Fifth" and "The Cinema Show". You picked an excellent album to start dude!
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« Reply #185 on: September 21, 2010, 11:43:13 PM »
cool...looking forward to listening to it manana

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« Reply #186 on: September 22, 2010, 12:48:47 AM »

is there a quintessential song that is recommended that says it all about them?

"Firth of Fifth."

Firth of Fifth + Steve's guitar solo = eargasm.

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« Reply #187 on: September 22, 2010, 12:53:42 AM »
Firth Of Fifth is definitely one of the best songs on SEBTP, but I like The Cinema Show a tad better. Tony Banks's keyboard solo is just godly.
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Re: Genesis Appreciation/Discussion
« Reply #188 on: September 23, 2010, 11:15:40 PM »
Firth Of Fifth is definitely one of the best songs on SEBTP, but I like The Cinema Show a tad better. Tony Banks's keyboard solo is just godly.

Agree, but FoF is still amazing. It's easily my favorite Hackett solo.
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« Reply #189 on: September 26, 2010, 01:43:55 PM »
Firth Of Fifth is definitely one of the best songs on SEBTP, but I like The Cinema Show a tad better. Tony Banks's keyboard solo is just godly.
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« Reply #190 on: September 26, 2010, 05:06:47 PM »
Never really thought about it before, but if I had to choose, that could easily be it.

I especially love the live version on Seconds Out, where it builds up to the big finish, rathering the downshifting into the reprise, which it has always felt like to me, since I was familiar with the Seconds Out version first.

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« Reply #191 on: September 29, 2010, 10:39:41 AM »
Bump to ask once again if somebody could take over the last of the Genesis Survivor?

I really don't want to do two at once :-\

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Re: Genesis Appreciation/Discussion
« Reply #192 on: October 15, 2010, 12:57:39 PM »
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/phil_collins_why_genesis_is_over.html

"Phil Collins has revealed the reason behind his comment that Genesis is effectively over: hes expecting to retire from making music after finishing promotional work on his new covers album.

The singer and drummer last month caused controversy by seeming to shut down the prog-rock back by the back door, saying: I think Genesis are no longer. I dont foresee doing any more Genesis shows it doesnt fit in with my life. He also infuriated some long-time fans by suggesting hed enjoyed working with other musicians more than with his own band."

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« Reply #193 on: October 15, 2010, 01:21:39 PM »
I'm not sure why any Genesis fan would get infuriated by that.  Genesis has done any new material in 13 years, and Collins hasn't done any new material with them in almost 20, so what is the big deal?  Except for a reunion tour that was basically a cash grab, Collins hasn't been part of the band in nearly two decades.

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« Reply #194 on: October 15, 2010, 01:24:15 PM »
But I want to see Genesis live :(

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« Reply #196 on: October 15, 2010, 02:01:28 PM »
But I want to see Genesis live :(
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« Reply #197 on: October 15, 2010, 08:51:25 PM »
But I want to see Genesis live :(
Me too, and now I'm never gonna see them live... I'll never be open again.
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Re: Genesis Appreciation/Discussion
« Reply #198 on: October 26, 2010, 10:13:44 AM »
Mama... Mama... MAMAAAAA!

I never really was a fan of the self titled (aside from about 2 songs), but it has been warming up to me this week.

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« Reply #199 on: October 26, 2010, 10:56:48 AM »
Can't you feel my har?
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« Reply #200 on: October 26, 2010, 11:21:15 AM »
I like the self-titled CD quite a bit.  The hits are all good, "Home by the Sea" is killer, and "Silver Rainbow" is one of the best post-70s Genesis tunes. 

And before anyone asks, yes, I like "Illegal Alien" a lot.  I don't get the hate that many fans seem to have for that song.

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« Reply #201 on: October 26, 2010, 11:31:55 AM »
A lot of people don't like "Illegal Alien" because it seems to be making light of a serious social issue.  Genesis has stated that their intent was the exactly the opposite.  To write a song about a serious social issue.  Note that this was around the same time as Phil's "Another Day in Paradise" -- another song that addresses a social issue.

I personally don't like it because it's annoying and repetitive.

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« Reply #202 on: October 26, 2010, 11:38:32 AM »
Well, I have to admit that I always got a kick of the video way back in the early days of MTV, so a great part of my liking for it is nostalgia-related.

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« Reply #203 on: October 26, 2010, 11:45:58 AM »
Speaking of 80s Genesis, what do you guys think of Invisible Touch as a whole?

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« Reply #204 on: October 26, 2010, 11:49:47 AM »
Speaking of 80s Genesis, what do you guys think of Invisible Touch as a whole?


It's good. A notch back from the self-titled album. It's sandwiched between two pretty great albums, IMO, but it still has some great moments on it, although the B-Sides that were cut would've made the album a bit more spectacular had they replaced them with a couple tracks that made it to the final album.

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« Reply #205 on: October 26, 2010, 11:51:18 AM »
Speaking of 80s Genesis, what do you guys think of Invisible Touch as a whole?


The songs sounded much better live than the studio versions. 
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« Reply #206 on: October 26, 2010, 12:30:54 PM »
Speaking of 80s Genesis, what do you guys think of Invisible Touch as a whole?


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« Reply #207 on: October 26, 2010, 01:00:34 PM »
I've got an odd question - is the post-Hackett era worth listening to?

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« Reply #208 on: October 26, 2010, 01:05:09 PM »
Speaking of 80s Genesis, what do you guys think of Invisible Touch as a whole?


Eh.  Its got some good songs, but songs like "in Too Deep," "The Brazillian," "Anything She Does," and "Invisible Touch" can get annoying.  "Land of Confusion" and "Domino" are great.

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« Reply #209 on: October 26, 2010, 01:49:52 PM »
Invisible Touch is the weakest Genesis album of all.  Their debut when they were still in high school was better, and I think my son's third grade band concert CD is even better.  One time I dropped a wrench on the basement floor and it made a clattering sound that was somewhat rhythmic and kinda cool how it alternated between the two notes.  I wish I'd recorded it, because it was actually more musically interesting than Invisible Touch.

I've got an odd question - is the post-Hackett era worth listening to?

...and then there were three... has the sound of a band trying to regain their feet, but there are some good songs.  Overall, it's not great, though.  Duke is much better and is one of my favorite Genesis albums.  After that, it was hit or miss for a while, but IMO they finished strong with We Can't Dance.  There are some gems on that one, though there are some duds as well.