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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #175 on: August 11, 2012, 09:40:17 AM »
Uhh, Sleep is on Edge of Thorns.

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« Reply #176 on: August 11, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »
An acoustic version is on Poets and Madmen as well, as a bonus track.
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« Reply #177 on: August 11, 2012, 03:57:21 PM »
Poets and Madmen is my third favourite album behind Streets and Gutter Ballet. I really wished Oliva would continue with Savatage in that direction. Tage Mahal and Maniacal Renderings were good but still not on the same quality. And the other JOP albums don't do anything for me.

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« Reply #178 on: August 12, 2012, 03:16:45 AM »
An acoustic version is on Poets and Madmen as well, as a bonus track.

Hmm..my version doesn't have that, you must have a re-release.

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« Reply #179 on: August 12, 2012, 03:27:21 AM »
Yeah, it's a 2011 re-release that I got for 5€.
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« Reply #180 on: August 12, 2012, 03:29:39 AM »
Does it have Shotgun Innocence?

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« Reply #181 on: August 12, 2012, 03:31:57 AM »
Nope. Tracklist is the following:

Stay With Me Awhile
There In The Silence
Comissar
I Seek Power
Drive
Morphine Child
The Rumor
Man in the Mirror
Surrender
Awaken
Back to a Reason
Tonight He Grins Again (acoustic)
Sleep (acoustic)
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« Reply #182 on: August 12, 2012, 03:33:04 AM »
Damn, Tonight he Grins acoustic, what's that like?

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« Reply #183 on: August 12, 2012, 03:39:11 AM »
It's pretty cool - I don't know the original though, so I have no comparison.

EDIT: Just listened to the original on Spotify, and I actually like the acoustic version a little better.
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« Reply #184 on: August 12, 2012, 12:16:14 PM »
The version of Poets that I had bought had a bonus track of Shotgun Innocence.  How this song never made a regular version of any album is strange.

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« Reply #185 on: August 12, 2012, 12:30:44 PM »
Is it a good song?
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« Reply #186 on: August 12, 2012, 12:33:56 PM »
Yeah I love it.  Check it out, I'm sure it's on youtube.  I remember they released a Import best of many years ago and it was included on that.   It was also a bonus track on one version of Poets and some version of Edge of Thorns I believe.  Great song.

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« Reply #187 on: August 12, 2012, 01:02:45 PM »
Hmm... not that great, tbh. It sounds a little too... glammy for my tastes, I guess. Not that that's bad, but I like the rest of P&MM far more, and this is a totally different musical direction.
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« Reply #188 on: August 12, 2012, 06:37:01 PM »
I also think Poets and Madmen is one of the best Savatage albums. As far as the acoustic version of "Sleep" goes, I have it as a bonus track on my Wake of Magellan CD, as well as "Somewhere in Time/Alone You Breathe" and "Stay", all sung by Oliva.

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« Reply #189 on: August 12, 2012, 06:56:31 PM »
Shotgun Innocence was originally a bonus track from Edge of Thorns, and was recorded during those sessions.   So the fact that it's Chris playing should mean something.

That also explains why it's *a bit* glammy sounding...even though that album is definitely a cut above most glam albums, it does have a touch of that feel to it. 
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« Reply #190 on: August 13, 2012, 05:28:02 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPMBKED1hU

Circle II Circle performing Wake of Magellan.

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« Reply #191 on: August 13, 2012, 10:27:59 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPMBKED1hU

Circle II Circle performing Wake of Magellan.

Awesome! Thanks for posting it!  :metal
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« Reply #192 on: August 14, 2012, 12:37:59 AM »
Wow, that video was amazing, thanks for sharing! I obviously have to do a much better job in keeping up with Circle II Circle. I am so jealous of everyone at that show!

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« Reply #193 on: August 14, 2012, 03:17:49 AM »
Yeah, I've watched a few songs from that vid and they are doing a pretty decent job actually.  Circle II Circle are releasing a 2CD best of for anyone looking to get into them.

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« Reply #194 on: August 14, 2012, 04:20:26 AM »
Just got that best of last week, great selection. Includes some b-sides and live tracks.

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« Reply #195 on: August 14, 2012, 04:51:20 AM »
Just got that best of last week, great selection. Includes some b-sides and live tracks.

Yeah, I've ordered it for that.  How do the tracks sound, are they remastered?  Do the tracks from the last two albums sound better than what they did on the originals?

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« Reply #196 on: August 14, 2012, 08:51:14 AM »
It's all remastered but I didnt notice a huge difference. Got it mostly for the rare tracks; which are all very good

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« Reply #197 on: August 14, 2012, 05:10:53 PM »
Fair enough, that's the reason I'm getting it too.

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« Reply #198 on: August 14, 2012, 06:35:09 PM »
I listened to the acoustic version of Tonight He Grins Again. It's nice, definitely has it's own feel, I'm glad it's not a 1:1 copy but with acoustic guitars. But I still prefer the original.
Oliva's low, deep voice is SO GOOD, though.

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« Reply #199 on: August 21, 2012, 03:52:55 PM »
New Jon Oliva Intervew!!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6IurOYcyEA&feature=fvwrel

If I'm not mistaken, this is his first full interview since the tragic passing of JOP guitarist Matt LaProte last year.  He talks quite a bit about this history of Savatage, the 25th anniversary European tour of HOTMK, the upcoming TSO rock opera Romanov, the current status of Savatage, and the future of JOP.  There's some cool shit in there; his ideas for an Avantasia style JOP record sound really interesting, and for the first time in nearly 5 years, his discussion of the possibilities of a future Savatage project is not entirely bleak (although it still sounds like it still won't be happening anytime soon).  Definitely a mandatory listen for any fans of the Mountain King's various works!   :metal

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« Reply #200 on: August 21, 2012, 04:06:11 PM »
Just listened to P&M again, and I have to say that Morphine Child is the best them.  :metal :metal
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« Reply #201 on: August 21, 2012, 05:01:52 PM »
Sucks that he doesn't keep his voice in shape, though. So much drinking and smoking and it's still so strong, what if...

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« Reply #202 on: August 21, 2012, 06:07:08 PM »
Just listened to P&M again, and I have to say that Morphine Child is the best them.  :metal :metal

P&M has sort of become the "lost" Savatage classic in my opinion.  Such a strong album, but given the predominant direction of the band at the time, as well as the loss of Zak and Al, upon release most fans and critics dismissed it as a contrived attempt by the newer TSO-esque Savatage to make a classic metal 'Tage album (a la what Metallica would later do with Death Magnetic) and I really feel that such an assessment does not give the record it's due credit.  Furthermore, the fact that the album ended up sounding rather different then what Jon, Paul and Chris had originally intended due to Zak's departure seems to have led the band themselves to overlook the record as something as a disappointment in the years since, which I think is a shame.  I can certainly understand why they would feel that way, and I imagine that Zak's vocals, as well as the tracks that were cut when he left, probably would have fleshed out the album more and given it a more well rounded Savatage feel, rather then giving the impression of 'Tage-2001 trying to sound like 'Tage-1989.  Even so, I feel the album is still a masterpiece in it's own right, and it is probably the most criminally underrated album of the band's career, not just by the masses, but also by the band themselves.

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« Reply #203 on: August 21, 2012, 06:19:50 PM »
P&M is a great album...one of my favorites. Just listened to it today actually.
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« Reply #204 on: August 23, 2012, 02:53:13 AM »
P&M is a great album...one of my favorites. Just listened to it today actually.

It's an amazing record, no question.  I remember when I first heard it I was pleasantly surprised by it's heaviness and raw aggression of Caffery's riffs, and the return of Jon as a full time vocalist was a highlight too.  In fact, I would argue that in his effort to make up for the loss of Zak, in combination with the vocal training he took after he lost his voice in '92, his performances on P&M are among his most varied and impressive of his entire career, nearly on par with his material from the Gutter Ballet/Streets era.

With that said, within the context of the greater Savatage/TSO discography, the album does sound very outside of the proper sequence of time and space.  On the one hand, the very riff based nature of the album and the fact that Jon is the only singer is reminiscent of "classic" era 'Tage (1981-1992).  On the other hand, though, the album has many attributes that are very distinctly post-Handful Of Rain era 'Tage: Criss Oliva's absence is very noticeable (Caffery makes up for this, of course, but he has his own style which is distinct from that of Criss Oliva's), many of the song structures themselves are much more typical of post-1994 Savatage (counterpoint vocals in Morphine Child, the end section of Surrender, pretty much all of Back To A Reason, to name a few), and the fact that Paul wrote all of the album's lyrics and vocal melodies is also rather obvious, which is another distinct trait of later Savatage.  As such, the album really sort of stands on it's own away from the rest of their discography.  It can't really be placed with the classic era 'Tage because the lineup and writing is very different, and yet, it doesn't really fit in with later 'Tage and TSO because the vocals and the approach to music is completely separate from everything else the band has done from Dead Winter Dead onwards (the TSO albums included).

Overall, though, that just makes the album all that much more special, because it truly is a world all unto it's own, not beholden to any specific era of the band's history and simply defying attempts at classification with the greater Savatage legacy.

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« Reply #205 on: August 23, 2012, 07:26:51 AM »
My tattoo. A bit faded now but you can just about read that the motto is "Silk & Steel".

Chris was a great player.


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« Reply #206 on: August 23, 2012, 08:11:29 AM »
That's incredible.

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« Reply #207 on: August 23, 2012, 08:41:21 AM »
That's incredible.

The guy that did it had a beautiful blue Paul Reed Smith guitar that he let me have a go on, so as a guitar lover himself he enjoyed doing it. A weird coincidence, I now work with his wife.

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« Reply #208 on: August 23, 2012, 09:52:38 AM »
That is very cool!

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« Reply #209 on: September 05, 2012, 03:30:59 PM »
Bumping to say that Savatage kick some serious ass, and that Morphine Child is one of my favourite songs ever written. SO ENAGEE, SO POWAH!!!  :metal
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