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The Savatage Thread
« on: November 12, 2009, 05:37:55 PM »
Been listening to a lot of Savatage lately, and decided they deserve their own thread, since they don't already have one.  Anyone else into them?  For my money, "Believe" has got to be one of the best album closers of all time.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2009, 06:37:37 PM »
Funny you should start this now.  I myself have been listening to Savatage a lot lately too.  And there's currently a facebook "event" going on called "Savatage Season", because apparently November through January is more or less considered "Savatage listening time".  I guess there's something about this time of year that makes people want to listen to them.

Anyway, one of my favorite bands.  Imo, you can never have too much of them.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2009, 06:51:00 PM »
I have to say though, I definitely prefer the Jon Oliva-led albums.  Zachary Stevens is a vastly inferior vocalist IMO.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 07:01:11 PM »
The only Savatage album I've heard is Hall of the Mountain King. It's pretty good. I just haven't got around to listening to any of their other stuff.
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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 07:07:01 PM »
The only Savatage album I've heard is Hall of the Mountain King. It's pretty good. I just haven't got around to listening to any of their other stuff.

You literally MUST hear Gutter Ballet and Streets ASAP.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2009, 07:32:31 PM »
The only Savatage album I've heard is Hall of the Mountain King. It's pretty good. I just haven't got around to listening to any of their other stuff.

You literally MUST hear Gutter Ballet and Streets ASAP.

Gutter Ballet is alright and Street is pretty good, but if you want a great album skip right to Edge of Thorns.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2009, 07:36:06 PM »
Streets and Gutter Ballet are two of my favorite albums of all time. Great, great band.

The only Savatage album I've heard is Hall of the Mountain King. It's pretty good. I just haven't got around to listening to any of their other stuff.

You literally MUST hear Gutter Ballet and Streets ASAP.

Gutter Ballet is alright and Street is pretty good, but if you want a great album skip right to Edge of Thorns.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2009, 05:27:00 AM »
The only Savatage album I've heard is Hall of the Mountain King. It's pretty good. I just haven't got around to listening to any of their other stuff.

You literally MUST hear Gutter Ballet and Streets ASAP.

Gutter Ballet is alright and Street is pretty good, but if you want a great album skip right to Edge of Thorns.

I think I would go with Streets and Dead Winter Dead as my favorite Savatage albums.  Also, if you like Trans-Siberian Orchestra, Dead Winter Dead is the album that started that whole project.
     

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2009, 06:17:19 AM »
Have loved Savatage for years, and I concur that wintertime  seems to be the best time to listen to them! I love pretty much everything from Hall of the Mountain King on, the early albums are good but not as special as the later ones in my opinion. I love both vocalists, I prefer Zakk's voice as a whole but Jon gets so much emotion into his, you can really tell he was giving it his all. They've also had a string of amazing guitarists, Criss being probably my favourite but the ones that followed on are absolutle beasts in their own right.

I probably would say Edge of Thorns is my favourite album, the combination of Zakks vocals and Criss' guitar playing just edges (haha) it above the rest, that being said I really love every album and listen to them a lot. TSO are great fun, I listen to them a lot around Xmas and they are immense live also!

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2009, 07:52:50 AM »
Zakk is an alright singer, but he seems to flub notes alot during the medium-heavy parts.  He sounds great during really soft and really heavy songs, but the transition between the two types of singing is not so great, in my opinion.  I think Jon has a much better range of singing styles.  I agree that Edge of Thorns is an awesome album, though.

As for my personal favorite albums, I would probably go with Gutter Ballet, with Streets following closely behind.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2009, 11:00:22 AM »
Love Savatage. Favorites are Hall of the Mountain King, Gutter Ballet, Edge of Thorns and The Wake of Magellan.
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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2009, 06:36:36 PM »
I have to say though, I definitely prefer the Jon Oliva-led albums.  Zachary Stevens is a vastly inferior vocalist IMO.


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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2009, 09:50:58 AM »
Yeah, my band just got through playing with circle II circle, Zac Stevens' band.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2009, 08:39:46 PM »
I always make sure I have some Savatage albums in my vehicle.  I find myself definitely being more partial to Zach Stevens vocals.  Everyone has their own taste though.  Like other's have said, "Edge of Thorns" is probably my favorite Savatage album.  I really like "Dead Winter Dead" and "Handful of Rain" too.  I'm a big Testament fan, so I naturally like "Handful of Rain" with Alex Skolnick playing.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2009, 06:06:51 AM »
I have to say though, I definitely prefer the Jon Oliva-led albums.  Zachary Stevens is a vastly inferior vocalist IMO.

Ouch..literally one of the worst bands I've ever seen live. The singer was horrific...mind you this was in 1987..

OK, let the appreciation continue..sorry.
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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2009, 05:40:24 AM »
I have to say though, I definitely prefer the Jon Oliva-led albums.  Zachary Stevens is a vastly inferior vocalist IMO.

Ouch..literally one of the worst bands I've ever seen live. The singer was horrific...mind you this was in 1987..

OK, let the appreciation continue..sorry.

Of course, I can't speak for their live shows, but as far as the studio albums go, Mountain King through Streets are my favorites.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2009, 09:05:46 AM »
Yeah, my band just got through playing with circle II circle, Zac Stevens' band.

Where at? My old band opened for them and JOP here in Allentown.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2010, 05:01:25 PM »
So did my fellow Savatage fans hear the news about the Greatest Hits compilation, and the live DVD being put out?

I don't need the GH package except for the bonus tracks, but the DVD   :metal
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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2010, 05:43:49 PM »
"Believe" has got to be one of the best album closers of all time.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2010, 08:50:35 AM »
Can't say anything more than that I love them. I got to know them when a friend let me hear Gutter Ballet. Then I started buying the second half of their discography, every one as good as the other.

Anyway, yesterday I bought HOTMK and Dungeons. Just finished listening to King, which I loved, Dungeons will be up later today!

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2010, 09:02:15 AM »
:metal forgot I started this thread.

Can't say anything more than that I love them. I got to know them when a friend let me hear Gutter Ballet. Then I started buying the second half of their discography, every one as good as the other.

Anyway, yesterday I bought HOTMK and Dungeons. Just finished listening to King, which I loved, Dungeons will be up later today!

For me, HOTMK through Streets are their best albums, but the later Zak Stevens albums are great too, especially Dead Winter Dead and Edge of Thorns.

edit: I'm thinking of checking out Jon Oliva's Pain... are they worthwhile?
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2010, 01:41:12 PM »
Just finished listening to King, which I loved, Dungeons will be up later today!
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2010, 04:50:30 AM »
Possibly the most underrated band ever!!  Every album is a masterpiece, yet so different.  Gutter Ballet and Streets are the definitions of perfection.  Classic band, RIP Criss, one of the best most underrated guitarists ever.  It really pisses me off when I see magazines going on about all the fallen guitar hero's and yet Criss Oliva is never in sight, it's criminal!

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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2010, 04:52:45 AM »
So did my fellow Savatage fans hear the news about the Greatest Hits compilation, and the live DVD being put out?

I don't need the GH package except for the bonus tracks, but the DVD   :metal

Bring on March for this baby.  Perhaps not the best tracklist from what I remember, but IMO a Savatage greatest hits should have about 8 cds!! LOL.  It's going to be worth it for Live in Japan 94 no doubt.

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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2010, 09:39:21 AM »
I love Savatage too.  And wow...it's just occurred to me that I can't even remember the last time I really listened to them.  Might have even been last Christmas when I spun Dead Winter Dead a few times.  I didn't even listen to it this Christmas (although I remember meaning to).

And as far as which era I prefer, I'd honestly have to say "both."  I think Jon Oliva is a better metal singer, and those classic Savatage albums are amazing, but I really love Zak Steven's voice too.  It doesn't matter...but I think I might be listening to them at some point today.  Thanks for the reminder.
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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2010, 12:45:25 PM »
At the TSO concert I saw a few weeks back (East Coast), Chris mentioned they were going to be doing a non-holiday tour in the spring/summer.  Given the Night Castle has a lot of re-worked Savatage (Believe is spine tingling ... vocalist is Tim Hockenberry), I'm sure there will be a lot of that album played on the tour.  About as close to Savatage as one can get.
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Re: The Savatage Thread
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2010, 03:38:57 PM »
At the TSO concert I saw a few weeks back (East Coast), Chris mentioned they were going to be doing a non-holiday tour in the spring/summer.  Given the Night Castle has a lot of re-worked Savatage (Believe is spine tingling ... vocalist is Tim Hockenberry), I'm sure there will be a lot of that album played on the tour.  About as close to Savatage as one can get.

Wow...really?  I didn't go see them this year, and I don't think I even knew there was a new album out.


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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2010, 08:37:23 AM »
Finally got the best of in the mail.  The DVD is totally worth the price of it.  Amazing 94 concert with the great Skolnick.  Quality is average considering it came straight from the VHS, but it's a great performance.  The remastered tracks sound excellent too.

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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2011, 06:56:32 PM »
Streets is such an amazing album. This band is so unfairly underrated. The fact that this thread died before it even got to Page 2 supports this theory. More people should know about and listen to this band - why they don't rank as one of the progressive metal "greats" alongside DT, Symphony X, etc. is baffling. So...I'm necro'ing this thread in the vain attempt that maybe more people will be made aware of their existence.
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2011, 07:49:34 PM »
Streets is such an amazing album. This band is so unfairly underrated. The fact that this thread died before it even got to Page 2 supports this theory. More people should know about and listen to this band - why they don't rank as one of the progressive metal "greats" alongside DT, Symphony X, etc. is baffling. So...I'm necro'ing this thread in the vain attempt that maybe more people will be made aware of their existence.

Good shit Gadough.

I have so many fond memories of discovering Savatage's discography when I was a teenager, some of the best times I had.  I must admit I haven't listened to them since I got the best of.  I might give a couple of albums a spin tonight.

One of my favs which I'd like to mention is Poets and Madman, such an amazing album.  Every song is killer and the atmosphere of it is incredible.

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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2011, 08:36:47 PM »
Wow a Savatage thread. I love this band. Saw them on the Streets tour when they played that killer album from start to finish. That was one of the most powerful musical moments of my life.

EDIT: Listening to Streets now and "Tonight He Grins Again"  :metal

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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2011, 08:44:36 PM »
Saw them on the Streets tour when they played that killer album from start to finish.

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