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Pick your fave album from 1981 out of this selection

Black Sabbath - Mob Rules
10 (22.7%)
Ozzy - Diary of a Madman
8 (18.2%)
Iron Maiden - Killers
13 (29.5%)
Hanoi Rocks - Bangkok Shocks Saigon Shakes Hanoi Rocks
0 (0%)
Def Leppard - High n Dry
4 (9.1%)
Motley Crue - Too Fast for Love
1 (2.3%)
Kix - Kix
1 (2.3%)
AC/DC - For Those About to Rock
2 (4.5%)
Judas Priest - Point of Entry
1 (2.3%)
Van Halen - Fair Warning
4 (9.1%)
Whitesnake - Come and Get It
0 (0%)
Dokken - Breakin' the Chains
0 (0%)

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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2018, 11:26:15 PM »
Killers by far.

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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2018, 02:13:29 AM »
Sacul and Elite.  Please.   Pick even half of them and go listen.  That is essential listening.  It's like saying "I like to read" but never having read Shakespeare.  Or "I'm a foodie" but I've never had filet mignon.  If either of you have a roulette, my submissions may only come from that list.
Respectfully disagree with you here man. Add me to the list of 'only know Killers'. I don't believe in 'essential' music/books/films or anything. All these artforms are so widespread that people can pick anything they like, and a lot of times the so called essentials laid the groundwork for a lot of stuff that later expanded on them. Those could be more interesting to many people to check out (including me). Now say if there's a case of 'love Greta van Fleet but never heard of Zeppelin' I would probqbly call them insane and throw a Led Zeppelin II jewelcase at them, but there's rarely any cases where the modern band sounds that similar and that much like a copycat of an oldie goldie.

And to answer the oh so important thread question: no, I don't get pissed off at my computer screen when I see someone say an album that I like is shit. Do you even know how many terrible albums are part of my top albums list?? :neverusethis: I would never sleep!
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2018, 02:45:52 AM »
I like to read. I have read 60 books this year so far. No, I have never read anything by Shakespeare.. and guess what: I don't feel much need or the urge to and my life is fine. There are so many genres and important authors in literature, you don't need to limit yourself to one.

There are zillions of books, albums and movies out there that are outside of the classics and are better or at least as good as most classics. If you only stick to the classics, it is kind of sad... you will experience so little of the "outside". You will have your whole music/literature/cinema history defined for you.

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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2018, 02:53:48 AM »
I'm not familiar with all of them but I would hardly call it essential listening, I think most of these bands have done better albums.

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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2018, 07:20:19 AM »
I like to read. I have read 60 books this year so far. No, I have never read anything by Shakespeare.. and guess what: I don't feel much need or the urge to and my life is fine. There are so many genres and important authors in literature, you don't need to limit yourself to one.

There are zillions of books, albums and movies out there that are outside of the classics and are better or at least as good as most classics. If you only stick to the classics, it is kind of sad... you will experience so little of the "outside". You will have your whole music/literature/cinema history defined for you.

Some of you are misinterpreting what I'm saying, most notably this post.  No one - well, at least not me - is saying these are the "best" albums (though I think they are, but I very clearly said "my favorite") or the "only" albums.  No one has to "stick" to anything (I agree; that's narrow).   But I do feel they are necessary to know to get a full picture of what the bands were doing and trying to achieve.  Just about every one of those albums - well over half - DEEPLY influenced, for better or worse, what came after. 

I'm not sure what any argument is for having "less knowledge" or "less information" - but whatever - but the best example of "why Shakespeare?" is perhaps Stephen King.  He's my favorite author, not even close, but when I started the Gunslinger, I was like "WTF, bro."  But I slowly got into it, murky though it was.  Then I realized that "Childe Roland, to the dark tower came..." was familiar.   And through various sources I found out it was a reference to a Robert Browning poem, but also to a snippet - a throwaway, really - to King Lear.   And both give you MASSIVE insights into the sprawling King work.   The Browning reference is likely about King himself (many suspect Browning intended "Roland" to be himself and his search for truth in his work) but the Shakespeare reference basically unlocks the Roland character and provides the sort of "key" to the code of the entire work (the Shakespeare reference is about  a man who is forced to deny his self-identity, is rejected by family and society, and (almost?) goes mad on a quest for truth in those respects).  It brings a new, and important depth to the King character.  Can you read and enjoy the Dark Tower without knowing that?  Of course.   No question.   Does it give more information and insight into the work?   Absolutely. 

If one person doesn't want to do that, so be it, but to deny that it might add depth is kind of... I don't know, narrow?

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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2018, 08:05:57 AM »
Going back to the poll question, I notice that the question on the pic that was posted is actually different and suggests that you can only have ONE album from 1981 to listen to for the rest of your life.  If I had to pick one and only one, I would still be okay with what I listed as my "favorite" of the bunch:  High N Dry.  That is just such a good album.  But it would have been a lot more interesting if ANY album from 1981 was on the table.  It would be really hard to erase Earthshaker from existence and not listen to that album again.  That would make it a REALLY tough choice.
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2018, 08:24:03 AM »
How did this list manage to include Hanoi Rocks and Kix but not Saxon or MSG? Even Riot would've been better.  :lol

And Earthshaker by Y&T.

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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2018, 08:25:28 AM »
Okay, well this thread suddenly just earned a lot of points from me.
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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2018, 09:43:37 AM »
To answer the specific question:  Diary of a Madman.

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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2018, 09:58:50 AM »
Sacul and Elite.  Please.   Pick even half of them and go listen.  That is essential listening.  It's like saying "I like to read" but never having read Shakespeare.  Or "I'm a foodie" but I've never had filet mignon.

Yeah, I'm probably going to be more sympathetic to a line of argument like this than most of this forum, but I don't really think it makes sense to compare some 80s rock albums to Shakespeare.

If we were going to say that there is a comparison to Shakespeare, an artist or work that is essential listening in music the way that Shakespeare is essential reading in literature... It's not gonna be Kix. Not gonna be Iron Maiden. Not even gonna be The Beatles. It's gonna be, like, Beethoven.

You brought up Stephen King. Stephen King is a good comparison for Iron Maiden or whatever. Because Stephen King writes popular fiction, and Iron Maiden writes popular music. Shakespeare writes literature, and he's working on a whole level up from Stephen King. And though it's harder to evaluate in music, I think it's at least very likely the case that Beethoven is working on a whole level up from Iron Maiden.

This isn't a knock on King or on Iron Maiden. Popular fiction and popular music can be good and be very enjoyable! But I contend two things:
1. There is a definable difference between popular art and great art (and all the albums listed in the OP belong in the former category while Shakespeare belongs in the latter).
2. Great art provides an irreplaceable enriching value to a person's life, a value that is partly provided, but cannot be wholly provided, by popular art alone.
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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2018, 10:14:03 AM »
Diary of a Madman is almost as important for guitar as Fair Warning and should be listened to for that alone. Some great songs on there too (DT also ripped off the title track on Surrender to Reason).

Huh?


There is a definable difference between popular art and great art (and all the albums listed in the OP belong in the former category while Shakespeare belongs in the latter).

Shakespeare is "great art"?!  LOL!
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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2018, 10:24:32 AM »
Well, I certainly get you; I was less equating Maiden with Shakespeare as I was that context is important, the arc of a band is important, and the influences on a band are important.   I only used "Shakespeare" because so many of us read him without actually wanting to, or without thinking "Oh, Shakespeare is my FAV writer!"

Diary is important as the last major work of Randy Rhoads, and a real statement following Ozzy's departure from Sabbath.  Point of Entry DIRECTLY influenced Priest's biggest record Sreaming (I think a real argument can be made that "Screaming..." is really "British Entry" or "Point of Steel", the refinement of the two albums that came before).   Killers is what led to Bruce Dickinson, the greatest frontman in metal, joining the band.  It's VERY different than the punk-ish first album, and Harris knew he was missing one piece and he went and got it.  Fair Warning; that's a band in transition.  It's not the SoCal party rock of VH I and VHII.  It's a dark look into the heart of Van Halen - strippers, porno, drugs, crime - and almost prescient (dare I say, a "warning"?), as the next album - Diver Down - was an almost 180 degree about face (half covers, joke-y songs, and a strong dose of Roth's pop/vaudeville sensibility.  Mob Rules, the last of the Dio Mark I records...

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« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2018, 10:26:36 AM »
Pretty much agreed with 425, and there's also the fact that, while these albums were certainly important to understand the band's progression, and also deeply influential in the rock and metal that came after, that only covers a part of the whole music spectrum that's been made since, and has probably had little effect on electronic, hip-hop, jazz, pop, folk, ambient, etc. - these are all huge genres.

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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2018, 11:30:48 AM »
There is a definable difference between popular art and great art (and all the albums listed in the OP belong in the former category while Shakespeare belongs in the latter).

Shakespeare is "great art"?!  LOL!

Kind of bizarre that you'd just dismiss this with "LOL" when this is an extremely popular view among people who know anything about literature. Either way, it's a rather empty response.


Well, I certainly get you; I was less equating Maiden with Shakespeare as I was that context is important, the arc of a band is important, and the influences on a band are important.   I only used "Shakespeare" because so many of us read him without actually wanting to, or without thinking "Oh, Shakespeare is my FAV writer!"

Ah, okay, I may have partly misunderstood your point. I understand the idea that the context and the arc are important, but I don't view them as vital, particularly in the context of popular music. Personally, I like to have some idea of the context, but I don't see the need to deep dive on every influence of every artist I like, particularly if I'm not a fan of them on initial contact.
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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2018, 11:36:59 AM »
The two sides of this argument almost depend on whether you are more visceral, or more studious.   Stadler and I obviously fall into the latter category.

I’m not even passing judgement on either one being “right or wrong”, I’m just saying there are those who go through life completely uninterested in the story of how any of us got to where we are today, and there are those who think that  our history is extremely important to how we got here.
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« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2018, 11:40:56 AM »
I think you raise a good point. And in life I am very much on the side that you describe as studious... I just don't dedicate quite as much time to that process when it comes to music (just due to limited time in life).
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« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2018, 12:21:34 PM »
There is a definable difference between popular art and great art (and all the albums listed in the OP belong in the former category while Shakespeare belongs in the latter).

Shakespeare is "great art"?!  LOL!

Kind of bizarre that you'd just dismiss this with "LOL" when this is an extremely popular view among people who know anything about literature. Either way, it's a rather empty response.

Ok.  How 'bout this:  Shakespeare's work, as a whole, is teen rom-com level drivel, and its supposed importance is perpetuated by pretentious academics who stand to benefit both professionally and financially from the continued reverence of "the bard."
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« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2018, 12:23:52 PM »
There is a definable difference between popular art and great art (and all the albums listed in the OP belong in the former category while Shakespeare belongs in the latter).

Shakespeare is "great art"?!  LOL!

Kind of bizarre that you'd just dismiss this with "LOL" when this is an extremely popular view among people who know anything about literature. Either way, it's a rather empty response.

Ok.  How 'bout this:  Shakespeare's work, as a whole, is teen rom-com level drivel, and its supposed importance is perpetuated by pretentious academics who stand to benefit both professionally and financially from the continued reverence of "the bard."

Othello would like a word.
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« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2018, 12:36:26 PM »
To be honest...(and I don’t mean to be insulting but, come on dude.) that statement is honestly pretty ignorant. You’ve just given a perfectly accurate description of Romeo and Juliette (EDIT - and a few of the comedies like Much Ado and the like) that is completely fair. But then you’ve used that as a blanket description of ALL of Shakespeare’s work, and that totally isn’t fair.
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« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2018, 01:09:32 PM »
Ok.  How 'bout this:  Shakespeare's work, as a whole, is teen rom-com level drivel, and its supposed importance is perpetuated by pretentious academics who stand to benefit both professionally and financially from the continued reverence of "the bard."

Othello would like a word.

Yeah, really no reply necessary beyond this. There might be ten better plays than Othello in world history, but there are not twenty.

There is such a thing as Bardolatry, but that does mean that Shakespeare is therefore trash. The merit of his great tragedies and histories (to say nothing of his sonnets) is almost impossible to dispute (and certainly cannot be effectively disputed by merely claiming they are "drivel").
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« Reply #55 on: October 18, 2018, 01:55:53 PM »
Look...I read enough Shakespeare to know that I think it sucks, but none of it was recently enough that I can give you any sort of detailed critique.  It's nothing more than a subjective opinion (as is everyone else's opinion about it).
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« Reply #56 on: October 19, 2018, 07:30:09 AM »
There's kind of a lot of "absolutism" in this discussion.  But the reality is, it's all relative, and it's all subjective.  I'm not suggesting that for every song I hear that I research the songwriters, find out what they had for breakfast that day, understand their credit score, and find the obligatory Shakespeare reference in their work, and then - and ONLY then - do I decide if I like it or not.  That's ridiculous.   

I'm just saying, though, that sometimes its interesting to see how ideas grow and transform and, sometimes, are stolen.   Most of you know I'm a huge Kiss fan; it's interesting to me to know that they came from New York City in the same environment that bred the NY Dolls, the Ramones, Blondie, Talking Heads... and yet sound nothing like them.   So for all the knocks that they're so "derivative" - and they are in many ways - to know that they were rather unique in their small corner of the world is informative.    I'm a huge Blackmore fan; it's interesting to me that there's a riff that, more or less, appears in Zeppelin (Dazed and Confused, 1:14, January of 1969), Sabbath (Iron Man, 1:59, September 1970), and Deep Purple (Highway Star, 2:56, March 1972).

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« Reply #57 on: October 19, 2018, 07:32:05 AM »
There's kind of a lot of "absolutism" in this discussion. 

Absolutely!


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« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2018, 07:40:40 AM »
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That is essential listening.  It's like saying "I like to read" but never having read Shakespeare.
Sorry, I fail to see how this statement is not "absolutism". It is like saying: "Oh my god, you like jazz but you never heard Miles Davis?" "Oh my god, you like pop rock and you never heard The Beatles?" Or whatever genre you like. And then you go on your last post and say that it is all relative and subjective...  ::)

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« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2018, 09:50:29 AM »
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That is essential listening.  It's like saying "I like to read" but never having read Shakespeare.
Sorry, I fail to see how this statement is not "absolutism". It is like saying: "Oh my god, you like jazz but you never heard Miles Davis?" "Oh my god, you like pop rock and you never heard The Beatles?" Or whatever genre you like. And then you go on your last post and say that it is all relative and subjective...  ::)

They're not at all the same thing.  In fact, they're so not the same thing, I'm not even sure how to explain it.   

I don't understand any argument in favor of being ignorant.   It makes no sense to me.  Having said that, having knowledge, awareness doesn't mean you have to use every bit of info in every single experience.   It's the difference between saying "you either do not take even a bite of food in the house, or you eat every gram of caloric material in the kitchen".   In any case, if you don't even take a bite, you're not really in a position to comment on the taste of that food.

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« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2018, 11:02:47 AM »
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That is essential listening.  It's like saying "I like to read" but never having read Shakespeare.
Sorry, I fail to see how this statement is not "absolutism". It is like saying: "Oh my god, you like jazz but you never heard Miles Davis?" "Oh my god, you like pop rock and you never heard The Beatles?" Or whatever genre you like. And then you go on your last post and say that it is all relative and subjective...  ::)

I suppose one of the reasons I hang out here in the first place is because progressive rock fans (many, not all) are not quite so passive about their listening experience.

Yes, I suppose I do tend to “look down my nose” a bit at people who only have a very surface and passive, visceral experience listening to music. A very “I like it or I don’t” type of approach. Which is really kinda like Beavis and Butthead to me (“we like things that rule, and hate things that suck”)

But I’m not saying I’m right. It’s my tendency. Which is why I make fun of myself for being a snob. Because I always want to remind myself to not take myself that seriously. And to self-depreciate myself back down from my stupid high horse.

But still...progressive rock forums (and fans) are the only place I can go in the world and pick apart the intricacies of music for 3 hours and not bore people out of their skull. We all want a place where we are free to openly discuss the intricacies of the things we love with others who feel likewise.

You ever hear 3 guys who REALLY LOVE GOLF sit around and talk about golf for four hours?  There is joy in that for them. Or maybe a group of guys that love everything about baseball...to the point that they know the situation and outcome of every World Series race going back to WWI.

There’s joy in the exploration!!! Music is not this surface thing to people who are passionate about it. But I don’t say that to minimize the emotional experience people feel when they are visceral. I’m sure their emotions are as strong as mine. And their experience is their own.

Some of us just strongly believe (and through personal experience, we know) that there is another level to explore. Once you’ve experienced it, you never want to go back.
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« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2018, 11:56:43 AM »
That's a good point, and makes me think there aren't many places to discuss music like we do here - sure you can probably go to rateyourmusic, /mu/, or sputnikmusic, but I haven't really found much sense of community there, only plenty of random people and many toxic ones.

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« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2018, 12:21:08 PM »
That's a good point, and makes me think there aren't many places to discuss music like we do here - sure you can probably go to rateyourmusic, /mu/, or sputnikmusic, but I haven't really found much sense of community there, only plenty of random people and many toxic ones.

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« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2018, 12:22:22 PM »
I agree with Jammin' on every point except the snob part.  I'm sort of the anti-snob.   I don't care if people just "like" or "don't like" - that's most of the people in my life - and in fact I support that, but I push back on those who try to ascribe some absolute truth to a landscape that exists largely (wholly?) in their own head.  "I like it, therefore that artist is a genius, and anyone who likes that is smart and informed.  I don't like it therefore that artist BLOWS, and anyone who likes it is a douchenozzle."

My daughter (used to) love Justin Beiber, and now loves Fall Out Boy.  That doesn't make her a douchenozzle or dumb or uninformed.
I think Demi Lovato is an AMAZING singer, but her music just doesn't connect with me.  That doesn't make her any less talented.
I can't imagine that Noel Gallagher is anything more than a passable guitar player, but my god does that man's music connect with me.   

I, for one, LOVE the idea of being able to talk with people about stuff that 99.9% of the population doesn't even know exists, let alone cares about.   To me, it's FASCINATING that "We're Not Gonna Take It" by Twisted Sister is (acknowledged by Dee) set to the tune of "Oh Come All Ye Faithful".  Listen to the Bruce Springsteen Storytellers; I literally became a Bruce fan after watching the segment where he acknowledged the lyrics to "Blinded By The Light" and how Manfred Mann forever made it seem like it was "revved up like a douche...".  I thought it was just me and my juvenile 16-year-old brain, but his self-awareness was enlightening.   


(By the way, to Sacul and Elite:  when I wrote "Sacul and Elite: please." I meant it in the sense of "Sacul and Elite, please indulge me here  for a second." not "Sacul and Elite, mutherfucker, please, you're whack!" It was meant respectfully.)

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Re: Lame replies on some post in a facebook rock group! Pick your fave album!
« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2018, 12:43:05 PM »
Interesting  sidebar:   I remember watching ESPN Sportscenter and John  Buccigross made a Marillion reference and I literally had not one person I could share that with.  It was a sad moment. 


(For those not fans, the anchors on Sportscenter had a thing where they tried to drop in as many obscure cultural references as they could; kind of like Dennis Miller, if you're familiar with his comedy.  I can only imagine how many go right over my head, but I got that one, and felt like Gilligan on his island). 

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« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2018, 01:09:14 PM »
Interesting  sidebar:   I remember watching ESPN Sportscenter and John  Buccigross made a Marillion reference and I literally had not one person I could share that with.  It was a sad moment. 


(For those not fans, the anchors on Sportscenter had a thing where they tried to drop in as many obscure cultural references as they could; kind of like Dennis Miller, if you're familiar with his comedy.  I can only imagine how many go right over my head, but I got that one, and felt like Gilligan on his island).

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« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2018, 01:28:53 PM »
I miss Stuart Scott.  :sad:
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
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« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2018, 01:30:57 PM »
Let's start with the fact that the version of Dokken's Breaking the Chains that is shown is the 1983 U.S. release and not the 1981 European release.  I'm not familiar with how the Euro release differs (other than by reading Wikipedia), but it's nothing great either way.


I remember hearing Breaking The Chains on the radio, which is a GREAT song. But then I bought the tape, and I was so disappointed. I thought it blew, though I did like Paris Is Burning.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2018, 01:45:15 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2018, 01:50:05 PM »
Stadler -

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