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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #770 on: October 18, 2018, 07:48:37 AM »
I'm going to send something I recently sent in another roulette and if that doesn't go over well I will be completely lost.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #771 on: October 18, 2018, 09:11:35 AM »
Very excite!!!  :metal

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #772 on: October 18, 2018, 09:21:36 AM »
I'm going to spend a week typing: "please, re-submit".
Should I send a list in order of my preference for the fogey/mullet/throwback round? That might make it easier, unless you reject all of them  :lol
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #773 on: October 18, 2018, 09:58:21 AM »
Please, someone send Alex The Rodeo Song - Garry Lee and the Showdown
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #774 on: October 18, 2018, 10:39:32 AM »
Peanut gallery time:



I've been reading the last couple of pages of this thread this morning and I'm just going to ask what all the contestants are too afraid (or polite) to ask. Indiscipline, do you even like music?! Holy shit, dude, you over-analyze to the point of being so wildly inconsistent that folks should just throw a focking dart at their playlists and walk away.

If a song is complex, they try too hard. If a song is silly, they aren't taking it seriously enough. If they take themselves serious, they missed an opportunity to be playful. Mang, you're not moving the goal posts, you're swinging the bitches around so hard your making a breeze.

Although, as usual, the write-ups are funny and interesting and since I'm not playing the game, I don't really give a shit. So, carry on!

Threefold thanks, my friend.

One, for establishing the image of me swinging bitches. Two, for saying "focking". Three, for giving me the perfect chance to explain myself.

I love music and you know it. It's my life, livelihood, and main drive. I respect it so much that I know it doesn't allow absolutes. There's not a fixed pair of goal posts, but a set of goal posts for every tune, and those I don't move. What I over-analyse (a lot, you're right) is not "the song", but my reaction to it. What I try to explain are the reasons why that piece is not a 10, i.e. my own way to fix it according to my totally ideosincratic filters and conceptions. I don't review by an established set of parameters, I fock around with what I hear pointing out why it isn't (or is) another Wind Up/Pictures of Home/Epitaph/Learning to Live to my wiring.

Sure, the element of sheer luck involved is maddening, but I think the monicker "roulette" isn't far from that concept.

I appreciate you pointing out these issues, Gregg, and I warmly invite the supposedly too polite and afraid to do the same. This is time spent for my personal education and your enjoyment, and I'd hate to see the latter dwindling.

And, of course,  ;)   



SIDENOTE: I'm probably posting the remaining results later tonight, while waiting for LeBron to debut for the Team of Evil.

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #775 on: October 18, 2018, 10:42:15 AM »
As I've got nothing to lose in this roulette after this round apparently, I can safely say that Pictures of Home is pretty meh, in my opinion. :biggrin:
This first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #776 on: October 18, 2018, 10:43:45 AM »
I'm going to spend a week typing: "please, re-submit".
Should I send a list in order of my preference for the fogey/mullet/throwback round? That might make it easier, unless you reject all of them  :lol

Send away. I'll return it with the banned items crossed over. Good idea for everybody, actually. Thank you!

As I've got nothing to lose in this roulette after this round apparently, I can safely say that Pictures of Home is pretty meh, in my opinion. :biggrin:

Exactly my point!

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #777 on: October 18, 2018, 10:48:26 AM »
Mike Patton is one of my least favorite musicians

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #778 on: October 18, 2018, 10:54:39 AM »
Mike Patton is one of my least favorite musicians

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #779 on: October 18, 2018, 11:05:34 AM »
Most soda is gross bcuz corn syrup is gross
I barely drink soda anymore and if I do only when it has actual sugar in it

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #780 on: October 18, 2018, 11:09:09 AM »
Now you're moving the goal posts!  :P

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #781 on: October 18, 2018, 11:10:05 AM »
I drink Coke when someone gifts me a really shitty whiskey.

Also, sent Tim's favourite band. I had three bands to pick from, one was banned, oh well.
This first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #782 on: October 18, 2018, 11:12:15 AM »
Mike Patton is one of my least favorite musicians

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Crap, is everything Mike Patton banned now? I seriously considered stuff by his band(s)?
Hey dude slow the fuck down so we can finish together at the same time.  :biggrin:
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #783 on: October 18, 2018, 11:16:33 AM »

As general guideline, here's a list of 20 (in no particular order) songwriters who have never failed me:

Ritchie Blackmore
Stephen Sondheim
Yoko Kanno
David Gilmour
Nobuo Uematsu
Billy Joel
Lennon/McCartney
John Petrucci
Stevie Wonder
Rory Gallagher
Neal Morse
Robert Fripp
Matt Bellamy
Ian Anderson
Mark Knopfler
Jason Robert Brown
Al DiMeola
Steve Lukather
Gioacchino Rossini
Mike Patton


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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Specialist Rooks
« Reply #784 on: October 18, 2018, 11:17:53 AM »
Since none of those are mine, and I don't care about anyone else, two thoughts struck me:

- you should never tell another man he has a "nice timbre".   You can't actually HEAR the "re".
- you know Mike Patton?  Is he cool?  Did he piss on you?   Does he look like a serial killer up close?

I met him once in the park when we both lived in Bologna (i don't live there anymore, no idea whether he does), and he seemed quite polite while tolerating my ramblings about human voice limits. Overall, a regular I'm-minding-my-business guy.

Naturally, everything went south when I told him he has a nice timbre ...
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #785 on: October 18, 2018, 11:19:43 AM »
I drink Coke when someone gifts me a really shitty whiskey.

Also, sent Tim's favourite band. I had three bands to pick from, one was banned, oh well.

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #786 on: October 18, 2018, 11:47:24 AM »
I drink Coke when someone gifts me a really shitty whiskey.

Also, sent Tim's favourite band. I had three bands to pick from, one was banned, oh well.

:TAC:

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #787 on: October 18, 2018, 11:48:37 AM »
I mean, I am in the young turks conference after all.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #788 on: October 18, 2018, 11:57:40 AM »
Since none of those are mine, and I don't care about anyone else, two thoughts struck me:

- you should never tell another man he has a "nice timbre".   You can't actually HEAR the "re".
- you know Mike Patton?  Is he cool?  Did he piss on you?   Does he look like a serial killer up close?

I met him once in the park when we both lived in Bologna (i don't live there anymore, no idea whether he does), and he seemed quite polite while tolerating my ramblings about human voice limits. Overall, a regular I'm-minding-my-business guy.

Naturally, everything went south when I told him he has a nice timbre ...
Elite did you see these posts  :lol

I did.

So there goes my idea of sending Mr. Bungle in either round 5 or the round where you send ''two songs by the same act which you just can't believe are by the same act'.
Hey dude slow the fuck down so we can finish together at the same time.  :biggrin:
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #789 on: October 18, 2018, 01:40:08 PM »

And, of course,  ;)   




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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #790 on: October 18, 2018, 01:56:32 PM »
Mr. Bungle isn’t even music.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #792 on: October 18, 2018, 06:37:27 PM »
I drink Coke when someone gifts me a really shitty whiskey.

Also, sent Tim's favourite band. I had three bands to pick from, one was banned, oh well.

:TAC:

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17.  AMIRITE?! :lol

Why on earth would anyone send Winger? I mean the goal is to actually try and get a good score, no?
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #793 on: October 18, 2018, 06:49:45 PM »
I'm not the one who had a Winger round.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #794 on: October 18, 2018, 06:55:06 PM »
I must say it was spectacular























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would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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« Reply #795 on: October 18, 2018, 06:56:00 PM »
I dug it.  M16 rules.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #796 on: October 18, 2018, 06:58:22 PM »
It's all about you guys!
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #797 on: October 18, 2018, 08:21:18 PM »
Why on earth would anyone send Winger? I mean the goal is to actually try and get a good score, no?

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« Reply #798 on: October 18, 2018, 11:05:56 PM »
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Try Hard Rooks
« Reply #799 on: October 19, 2018, 03:36:16 AM »
Good morning, bedlam.

Round Two Results, 3 of 4:


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The Reign of Kindo – Let It Go:

Bus Impression: "Why isn't this a radio staple?"
Timestamp Snippet: 0:00 – 0:11: The way you tune your drums CAN make the difference

This rook was drafted for providing classy groovy sophisticated smoothness and didn't disappoint. “Simple” songs are often surprisingly satisfying, and said satisfaction just skyrockets when you realise their simplicity is a product of many complex details engineered into a pretty complex architecture masterfully disguised as, well, semplicity. The Beatles from Rubber Soul on worked this way. Hell, Mozart worked this way. In a perfect world, this should be torturing pop radio frequencies around the planet to the point of inflation.

The secrets to the recipe: 1) Beautiful voice in measured doses, surfing some catchy yet not banal vocal lines. 2) A rythmic section hell-bent on keeping the groove in the most essential way, choosing sound (that floor tom!) over crazy movement. 3) a piano man secretly conducting the whole business, playing into empty spaces when the song needs sugar, locking with the drums when it needs punch. 4) Great guitar sound, dripping licks as continuation of the vocals' tale, never intruding. Polished, efficient, memorable. Never gets deep or dirty enough to win my heart.

Vote: 7.5 – When a tune is extremely difficult to cover verbatim, but extremely easy to strum and sing on a beach, you are pretty close to the secret of pop music.


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Circus Maximus – Alive:

Bus Impression: "There's a hair metal tune hidden here"
Timestamp Snippet: 2:36 – 2:46: Obviously, these guys have access to Kevin's '94 sad synth patch

This rook was drafted for providing '80 hard rock fun in noble '90 prog metal disguise and didn't disappoint. All in all, a solid hair power ballad (main and background vocals are one of the best cases of genre transplant I've ever witnessed) juiced up in power and velocity with devices heavy borrowed from both the best album of the nineties and its disappointing follow-up. The amazing thing is the brief ideas in high quantity work as teasers/embellishments, never enabling the song to lose its bearings.

As a result, you have an accessible prog metal piece and a enriched aquagel earpleaser in the same package: a virtous tug-of-war between Europe and early Dream Theater. You can't tell me with a straight face those vocal lines aren't in Joey Tempest's wheelhouse (not mentioning the totally Norum-inspired guitar soloing) and you can't tell me with a straight face that organ isn't patented Awake KevMo (not mentioning the Imagined and Worded runs). Sure, I can't tell you with a straight face I didn't enjoy this tune for those reasons. Polished, efficient, memorable. Never gets deep or dirty enough to win my heart.

Vote: 7.5 – A very funny experiment, exploiting sounds from niches too hastly criticised.


lonestar - Team Fuck Canada:

Pyramid Theorem – Another Day Slips By:

Bus Impression: "What WDADU should have been"
Timestamp Snippet: 4:47 – 5:41: And here I was thinking Elliott Randall's work on Reeling In the Years was the mixolydian golden standard

This rook was drafted to transform a two-three chords idea into a pure rock tale climaxing with the solo of the decade, and didn't disappoint. This isn't just influenced by Rush, it joyfully screams the band grew up eating and drinking Rush. Yet, the execution (of a very distinct Rush staple progression) is honest, straightforward, and higly personalised with original songwriting. Plus, I have a weak spot for uncompromising rock baritones, especially when they dick around with ballady sections very reminiscent of the best Metallica balladwork.

I need to spend a whole paragraph for the guitar solo, the main attraction and great payoff here. Its segment starts like a trite prog band excersise, but as soon as the traffic light goes green, we're into 70's guitar god abandon land. When you manage to rival Elliott Randall's masterpiece on a two chords vamp and quote Joe Walsh's patented laughing licks at the same time, you deserve a shot at knocking on guitar pantheon's doors. I'm following this axeman from now on to see whether he gets in. Polished, efficient, memorable. Never gets deep or dirty enough to win my heart.

Vote: 7.5 – You can't obtain more from one single simple idea, but you can do it with superb elegance and energy.


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Riverside – Loose Heart:

Bus Impression: "Soul rending"
Timestamp Snippet: 1:21 – 1:45: No, I'm not hyperboling. This is one inch close to a perfect Gilmour '85 sound.

This rook was drafted to concoct the perfect simple emotional cresendo tune with surprising economy, and it didn't disappoint. This is a really fine example of submission course-correction achieved paying attention to the writeups and not just to the votes. Your round one song had the same beautiful sense of tapestry and storytelling through accumulation of subtle colours, but it compromised the crescendo project messing with the flow. This one nails it avoiding those mistakes, helped – ironically – by a beyond wise use of vocals.

It seems obvious to point out the excellent guitar work here, but I have to do it. Pure feel and sound in essential articulation. The textbook example of a solo easy to play, but impossible to play right for anyone else but its original author. Nonetheless, the hidden jewel prize goes to the intro's job on percussion sounds giving me the true feeling of a loosened cardiac chamber. The ending is perfect, and it may be the most appropriate use of visceral kobold voice I've heard this side of Mike Patton. Polished, efficient, memorable. It actually gets deep and dirty enough to almost win my heart.

Vote: 7.7 – Sometimes it's not the luck of the draw, but actually reading the writeup.

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four All Business Rooks
« Reply #800 on: October 19, 2018, 04:23:04 AM »
Seems a pretty fair review. Slight improvement - need to try and keep the trend up with my next one, but that's going to be tricky for this pre-1996 round!

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« Reply #801 on: October 19, 2018, 04:46:04 AM »
Top 4 again! Wooot!!
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four All Business Rooks
« Reply #802 on: October 19, 2018, 04:49:42 AM »
For all the positivity in those comments, surprised they only come in with 7s.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four All Business Rooks
« Reply #803 on: October 19, 2018, 05:31:09 AM »
7 to 8 is actually a pretty high value zone for me, not "can't say it's meh, can't say it's great" dumping grounds.

In fact, 6 to 7 is already good. It sucks to be there (only in roulettes; my mother would have sacrificed human beings in order to have me on that range when I went to school), but it ain't bad.


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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four All Business Rooks
« Reply #804 on: October 19, 2018, 05:45:53 AM »
7 to 8 is actually a pretty high value zone for me, not "can't say it's meh, can't say it's great" dumping grounds.

In fact, 6 to 7 is already good. It sucks to be there (only in roulettes; my mother would have sacrificed human beings in order to have me on that range when I went to school), but it ain't bad.

Fair point, but in roulettes (when the lowest score is 6 for instance), it's still a crap score/rating.  No one says to the last place finisher in anything ... 'you still did good'.  Last is last.  Middle is middle. The absolute score may be a 'high value zone', but the score relative to other submissions is none-the-less mediocre.
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