Does Scandinavia rule when it comes to metal from 90's onwards?

[WildRanger]

I always thought that Brits and Yanks ruled the 80's metal scene, but from the 90's onwards Scandinavians took a lead from them.
Do you agree? What you think?
Scandinavia had/have a huge and very diverse metal scene.

I personally can't stand black metal, but nearly all other forms of Scandinavian metal I can listen and like.

[Crow]

I listen to a lot of metal from all over the world so nah

[DragonAttack]

Are you +/- 15 years old?  And when are you going to run out of daily questions?

[bosk1]

Drain STH is the only '90s metal band from Scandinavia I can think of that I liked.  Are there some specific bands you are thinking of?



EDIT:  @DragonAttack:  Knock off the personal attacks.  There's no reason for that.

[TAC]

Hammerfall!!

[Adami]

What metal?

Power metal? Definitely.

Symphonic metal? Definitely.

Straight metal? Nope.

Nu-metal? Nope.

Viking metal? Yup.

Bosk metal? Nope.


Metal is way too vague.

[Stadler]

"Viking metal" may be the coolest subgenre name in the history of naming subgenres.  I want to like it just for that.

Oh, and the women of Drain STH are beautiful.   

Next poll. 

[bosk1]

Viking metal is cool.  But ironically, the only band in that genre that I ever listened to isn't from Scandinavia; they're from Germany.   

[Grappler]

Drain STH is the only '90s metal band from Scandinavia I can think of that I liked.  Are there some specific bands you are thinking of?

Nightwish

To answer the topic, yes, I defintiely think so.  I listen to a tremendous amount of Scandanavian bands.  The whole melodic death metal scene started in Gothenburg, Sweden.  Then you have the melodic/power/gothic metal stuff from Finland, Norweigan black metal. 

So those nordic countries plus Germany tend to provide many of my favorite bands:

Finland - Nightwish, Amorphis, Sentenced, Stratovarius, Poisonblack, The Dark Element

Sweden - In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, At The Gates, The Lurking Fear, Soilwork, The Haunted, Scar Symmetry, Soultion .45, Sabaton, Hammerfall, Arch Enemy, Candlemass, The Crown, Entomed, Bloodbath, Evergrey, Tad Morose, Inmoria, Morgana Lefay/Lefay, Nightingale

Norway - Dimmu Borgir, Emperor, Covenant/Kovenant, Immortal, Circus Maximus, Pagan's Mind

[bosk1]

Nightwish

Well, okay, if we're including Finland.  But Finland isn't traditionally considered "Scandinavia" except by Americans, so I didn't include them. 

As for the rest of your list, I've heard of a fair number of those.  But not my thing.

[TAC]

Well, okay, if we're including Finland.  But Finland isn't traditionally considered "Scandinavia" except by Americans, so I didn't include them. 

Yay, Geography lesson!


Finland is not Scandinavia?

What about Holland?

What about the Netherlands?

[WildRanger]

Sweden - In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, At The Gates, The Lurking Fear, Soilwork, The Haunted, Scar Symmetry, Soultion .45, Sabaton, Hammerfall, Arch Enemy, Candlemass, The Crown, Entomed, Bloodbath, Evergrey, Tad Morose, Inmoria, Morgana Lefay/Lefay, Nightingale

Opeth? Nah?

[cramx3]

I wouldn't say I agree, just because there's still plenty of really good metal coming out from the rest of the world that it's hard to pin point one region as being the ruler of them all.

Having said that, there's a lot of really good metal that comes out of this region.  I think I personally may like the music coming out of there than here in the US, but I wouldn't say that is representative of anything more than my own personal choices in the metal genres (power, symphonic).

"Viking metal" may be the coolest subgenre name in the history of naming subgenres.  I want to like it just for that.

I've been obsessing a bit over Sabaton this year.  They have a song called Swedish Pagans that is apparently about being on a viking ship, and when I saw them, the crowd got onto the floor and started rowing like they were all on a large ship.  Might be my concert moment of the year (certainly is so far).

[TAC]

I've been obsessing a bit over Sabaton this year.  They have a song called Swedish Pagans that is apparently about being on a viking ship, and when I saw them, the crowd got onto the floor and started rowing like they were all on a large ship.  Might be my concert moment of the year (certainly is so far).

 

That is awesome. Gotta search youtube for that!

[bosk1]

Well, okay, if we're including Finland.  But Finland isn't traditionally considered "Scandinavia" except by Americans, so I didn't include them. 

Yay, Geography lesson!


Finland is not Scandinavia?

What about Holland?

What about the Netherlands?

Nope.

"Scandinavian" traditionally connotes Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, which share common linguistic and cultural backgrounds.

"Nordic" basically = the three Scandinavian countries + Finland and Iceland. 

But in any case, as I said, I have no problem including Finland for sake of the discussion.  I just hadn't originally thought that in my first post.

[cramx3]

I've been obsessing a bit over Sabaton this year.  They have a song called Swedish Pagans that is apparently about being on a viking ship, and when I saw them, the crowd got onto the floor and started rowing like they were all on a large ship.  Might be my concert moment of the year (certainly is so far).

 

That is awesome. Gotta search youtube for that!

You know cramx3 has you covered  https://youtu.be/dpV6bJqf8Wg?t=18m8s

[bosk1]

I've been obsessing a bit over Sabaton this year.  They have a song called Swedish Pagans that is apparently about being on a viking ship, and when I saw them, the crowd got onto the floor and started rowing like they were all on a large ship.  Might be my concert moment of the year (certainly is so far).

 

That is awesome. Gotta search youtube for that!

You know cramx3 has you covered  https://youtu.be/dpV6bJqf8Wg?t=18m8s

  That is amazing.    The Metallica bit right after that is cool too.  The crowd was really into it, and that guy really knows how to work a crowd.

[TAC]

 

Cram, that is fucking awesome! Holy shit!!!

[pg1067]

I always thought that Brits and Yanks ruled the 80's metal scene, but from the 90's onwards Scandinavians took a lead from them.
Do you agree? What you think?

I can't think of a single hard rock/metal band from Scandinavia other than Europe (who had its one shining moment in the 80s), Opeth, and a handful of black metal bands that I've heard of only because of watching YouTube videos making fun of them (and which may or may not be Scandinavian for all I know).

So...no.

But Finland isn't traditionally considered "Scandinavia" except by Americans, so I didn't include them. 

Hold on there buddy...give us some credit!

[ChuckSteak]

Are you +/- 15 years old?  And when are you going to run out of daily questions?

Do you think that new people will feel welcome around here with this kind of attitude? What's the problem with his topics? If you don't like them, don't post, ignore them. It's very simple. It is almost as if you choose to invent/create problems out of nothing.

ON TOPIC:

When it comes to Black and Death, Scandinavia rules. But lately France has taken over the Black Metal scene.

[DragonAttack]

^
Already discussed and taken care of

[The Walrus]

I dunno. I mean, my favorite styles of metal tend to come from Sweden and Finland (along with Germany, but... obviously that isn't Scandinavia). So maybe, in my opinion. But the subcultures that come with them make me roll my eyes so hard it hurts and I try not to get too involved with that because I like so many other styles of music

[Lethean]

Scandinavia totally rules.  It doesn't mean other countries/regions don't also rule though...   But I do seem to have a pretty high percentage of Scandinavian bands in my list of albums, so I would say yes.

[lonestar]

Sabaton is the best them. 

[Stadler]

Well, okay, if we're including Finland.  But Finland isn't traditionally considered "Scandinavia" except by Americans, so I didn't include them. 

Yay, Geography lesson!


Finland is not Scandinavia?

What about Holland?

What about the Netherlands?

Nope.

"Scandinavian" traditionally connotes Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, which share common linguistic and cultural backgrounds.

"Nordic" basically = the three Scandinavian countries + Finland and Iceland. 

But in any case, as I said, I have no problem including Finland for sake of the discussion.  I just hadn't originally thought that in my first post.

Easily remembered:  there is no "F" or "H" in "Scandinavian". 

[WildRanger]

I forgot to post this pic:

[bosk1]

I would like to see similar maps for:

-Number of metal bands per 1 million people that a significant number of people have heard of

-Number of metal bands per 1 million people that a significant number of people actually like

I suspect the decimal point would move about 3 or 4 spots to the left for those Scandinavian countries.


On an unrelated note, I find it funny that Finland all by itself has over half as many as all four Scandinavian nations combined.

[pg1067]

I forgot to post this pic:

The point being???



Also,

GAAAAAAHHHHHLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

[cramx3]

I wonder what the number is for the US.

[pg1067]

I wonder what the number is for the US.

26,380 "entries" (which is not limited to "Active" bands and may include duplicates).  Using Wikipedia's 2017 population estimate of 325,719,178 would make the number 81 bands per million people.

By way of comparison, the number for Greenland would be 161 (based on 9 bands and a 55,877 population estimate).

The current number of "entries" for Finland is 3,774.  Using the Wikipedia "2017 official" population of 5,513,000 gives us 684.6 bands per million people.  That tells me that this map is was created using the "entries" number, which means it's bullshit because it includes bands that don't currently exist.

[Grappler]

I wonder what the number is for the US.

26,380 "entries" (which is not limited to "Active" bands and may include duplicates).  Using Wikipedia's 2017 population estimate of 325,719,178 would make the number 81 bands per million people.

By way of comparison, the number for Greenland would be 161 (based on 9 bands and a 55,877 population estimate).

The current number of "entries" for Finland is 3,774.  Using the Wikipedia "2017 official" population of 5,513,000 gives us 684.6 bands per million people.  That tells me that this map is was created using the "entries" number, which means it's bullshit because it includes bands that don't currently exist.

But a band's recorded work doesn't disappear into thin air if that band is no longer active. 

Should Dissection (Sweden) be discounted just because the singer committed suicide and they aren't active anymore?  Their recorded work still remains and they were a Swedish band that existed at one time.

[bosk1]

...which means it's bullshit because it includes bands that don't currently exist.

Well, yeah, that's fairly obvious.  And probably includes garage bands, tribute bands, cover bands, etc.

[pg1067]

I wonder what the number is for the US.

26,380 "entries" (which is not limited to "Active" bands and may include duplicates).  Using Wikipedia's 2017 population estimate of 325,719,178 would make the number 81 bands per million people.

By way of comparison, the number for Greenland would be 161 (based on 9 bands and a 55,877 population estimate).

The current number of "entries" for Finland is 3,774.  Using the Wikipedia "2017 official" population of 5,513,000 gives us 684.6 bands per million people.  That tells me that this map is was created using the "entries" number, which means it's bullshit because it includes bands that don't currently exist.

But a band's recorded work doesn't disappear into thin air if that band is no longer active. 

Should Dissection (Sweden) be discounted just because the singer committed suicide and they aren't active anymore?  Their recorded work still remains and they were a Swedish band that existed at one time.

The point is that coming up with a "number of bands per million residents" that includes bands that haven't been active for over 30 years as compared to a relatively current population estimate is nonsensical.  Also, it isn't limited to bands that have released recorded material.

[Nekov]

That map has a confusing metric. Iceland has 341 bands per million people, however the population of the country is not even 400k. You take that into account and those numbers are awfully deceptive. Doing simple math, Finland says 630, their population is about 5 million people so their total would be 3150 bands. Meanwhile UK shows only 68, but since their population is 66 million, their total should be 4488 bands.
Do Scandinavian countries have more metal bands per person that any other country? Yes
Does that mean that they are the gods of metal? Probably not. How many of those bands make it on a national level, not even international? Probably very few.