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Is a band Aerosmith in the same league with British classic rock greats?

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What would you say?
Aerosmith are huge American rock legends. Would you put them in the same league with British greats?
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Without question, and I'm not even a fan... you inquisitive bastard.
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Never heard of Aeromith. Ban(ne)d or otherwise. AeroSmith on the other hand...I'm not so sure. You're better off asking Americans about that. Pump's got some good tracks on it, and Pink is another favourite of mine. Otherwise, I'm not a good judge.

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I wouldn't put them in the same league. Aerosmith is good and all, but it was already the son of the great british bands. By the way, I like your topics. Keep making them!  :tup

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I wouldn't put them in the same league. Aerosmith is good and all, but it was already the son of the great british bands. By the way, I like your topics. Keep making them!  :tup

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I don't know about most of their music, but Just Push Play is an instant classic, wouldn't surprise me if that would be in the same league as the "British classic rock greats".

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I wouldn't put them in the same league. Aerosmith is good and all, but it was already the son of the great british bands. By the way, I like your topics. Keep making them!  :tup

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I swear I was born in the wrong country.

It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.

British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc


That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.

I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
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I swear I was born in the wrong country.

It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.

British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc


That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.

I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
Except for Dream Theater. They were heavily influenced by the British bands, Yes, Maiden, Floyd, etc. They are also influenced from a three piece powerhouse from Canada. ;)
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Re: Is a band Aeromith in the same league with British classic rock greats?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2018, 01:26:14 PM »
I swear I was born in the wrong country.

It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.

British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc


That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.

I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
Except for Dream Theater. They were heavily influenced by the British bands, Yes, Maiden, Floyd, etc. They are also influenced from a three piece powerhouse from Canada. ;)
Metallica is another exception from the U.S.

Yeah, but the Brits have Iron Maiden, which absolutely freaking wipes the floor with Metallica, so we still lose.  :biggrin:
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Re: Is a band Aeromith in the same league with British classic rock greats?
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2018, 02:07:03 PM »
Take away the below two things, they would be an afterthought on the classic rock scrapheap.

1) Dream On
2) Videos on MTV in the late 80s with scantily clad hos.



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I'm not sure which "British classic rock greats" you have in mind, so hard to answer the question.  But I've always disliked Aerosmith, so my vote would likely be "no." 
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Re: Is a band Aeromith in the same league with British classic rock greats?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2018, 02:15:20 PM »


British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc

I don't see this at all.  At all.

As for Aerosmith; are they equal to the Beatles, Zeppelin, or The Who?  No.   Are they the equal of Deep Purple, UFO, Priest, Def Leppard and Maiden?   Yes.   

I've seen 'smith live like 7 or 8 times, and they kill it every night.   WAY better band live than on record; even their schmaltz is good live.   Steven Tyler can still sing like it's 1974, and Joe Perry is a beast.   


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Aerosmith are not culturally significant in the same way a lot of other bands are, so, no. A hundred years from now I doubt they'll be remembered much.

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Aerosmith are not culturally significant in the same way a lot of other bands are, so, no. A hundred years from now I doubt they'll be remembered much.

I disagree strongly with this. Aerosmith are huge and iconic figures in American rock. They will be remembered, in fact they'll be one of the few rock bands remembered period that far into the future.

EDIT: Wikipedia basically sums up why, even though I'm not a fan, Aerosmith is so successful and will be remembered for generations:

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Aerosmith is the best-selling American hard rock band of all time, having sold more than 150 million records worldwide, including over 70 million records in the United States alone.[21][22] With 25 gold albums, 18 platinum albums, and 12 multi-platinum albums, they hold the record for the most total certifications by an American band and are tied for the most multi-platinum albums by an American band. The band has scored 21 Top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot 100, nine number-one Mainstream Rock hits, four Grammy Awards, six American Music Awards, and ten MTV Video Music Awards. They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2001, and were included among both Rolling Stone's and VH1's lists of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time.[23] In 2013, the band's principal songwriters, Tyler and Perry, were inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame.
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Honestly, I think some of the negativity is in the popularity they achieved.   They used <gasp!> outside songwriters, they had the dreaded "John Kalodner: John Kalodner" on many of their records, and they made the ultimate compromise:  they made a deal with the machine to send their unique spirit through the filter to achieve the next level of stardom.   

And more importantly, for all their foibles and troubles, how many bands have five original members after 45 years together and can still play and sing the hit off their first album as well as they did back then?

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Steven Tyler is an amazing vocalist.

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And more importantly, for all their foibles and troubles, how many bands have five original members after 45 years together and can still play and sing the hit off their first album as well as they did back then?

Can't think of any. A band like Aerosmith fits the first part of that though.
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Aerosmith as a band just doesn't feel -influential- in the way that the stones, the beatles, the who, the floyd etc. were. And I think that's the big difference, success doesn't necessarily mean influence

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Aerosmith as a band just doesn't feel -influential- in the way that the stones, the beatles, the who, the floyd etc. were. And I think that's the big difference, success doesn't necessarily mean influence

Hey, this is exactly how I feel about Deep Purple :D
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Re: Is a band Aeromith in the same league with British classic rock greats?
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2018, 03:43:42 PM »
Chuck, I have a strange fascination with your avatar. I cannot stop watching it, but it terrifies me. It also makes some of your posts way funnier than they should be.

I've been meaning to say the same thing.  I read all of his posts as though that guy is saying/screaming what he wrote.   :lol :lol

As far as the question asked, I'd say Aerosmith is better than some British artists and not as good as others, but I only really like a small handful of Aerosmith songs and think Steven Tyler is, for the most part, a mediocre singer.
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Aerosmith as a band just doesn't feel -influential- in the way that the stones, the beatles, the who, the floyd etc. were. And I think that's the big difference, success doesn't necessarily mean influence

Hey, this is exactly how I feel about Deep Purple :D

Huh.   I won't waste a breath on how influential Aerosmith is (Guns 'n' Roses, Motley, and Cinderella, pretty much is it) but Purple?   Maiden generally, Bruce Dickinson specifically, UFO, Malmsteen, Scorpions... all influenced by Purple. 

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Nevermind. Too many beers in to be coherent  :lol
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Wow, this thread has me scratching my head.


Aerosmith is BY FAR the signature American Classic Rock Band. I don't even know who is close, to be honest. Lynyrd Skynrd, perhaps.

They have been successful in every decade they have been in existence.

Influence?? Really? How about every bar band for the last 40 years? They were the blueprint for every 5 piece hair metal band in the 80's. They translated to the 90's in bands like The Black Crowes.

Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin? Probably not, but I can't think of many other bands I'd put ahead of them from ANY country for success, influence, sustainability.
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It is rare that TAC is correct, but I think he is in this case.

And I am not even that big of a Aerosmith fan (like them, but would never call myself a big fan or pay to see them).

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It is rare that TAC is correct, but I think he is in this case.

It's even rarer that KevShmev is correct, but I think he is in this case.
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Nah, that's more medium rare than rare.  :biggrin:

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Steven Tyler is an amazing vocalist.

Talent aside, someone who brought up the Stones comparison earlier, I will extend it further and saw Tyler had what Jagger had that made him special: Style. It's not important that you have the best singer, it's important that you have the right singer for your band. He was the right singer for Aerosmith. I just happen to hate his singing.

Honestly, I think some of the negativity is in the popularity they achieved.   They used <gasp!> outside songwriters, they had the dreaded "John Kalodner: John Kalodner" on many of their records, and they made the ultimate compromise:  they made a deal with the machine to send their unique spirit through the filter to achieve the next level of stardom.

Who the fuck is William T. Santiago John Kalodner? I don't know or care who writes someone's songs. I don't care if Aerosmith "made a deal with the machine." I won't knock them for their videos and using that to propel them to stardom. That was the way to the top in the late 80s/early 90s, but I won't effusively praise them for it either. 

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Re: Is a band Aeromith in the same league with British classic rock greats?
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British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc

I don't see this at all.  At all.


Sorry.   This is my bad.   When I was thinking of "British Bands", my mind ventured into the British bands *I* listen to and consider influential.   Not the "Big 4" we've been discussing recently.    I was thinking of Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Camel...etc...etc....
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I don't really care if they match up or not. I just dig really Aerosmith.  The drug days were the best. LOL When they got clean there are some good music there, not great like the old days but very good.
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I don't really care if they match up or not. I just dig really Aerosmith.  The drug days were the best. LOL When they got clean there are some good music there, not great like the old days but very good.

Both had their high points.  I was somewhat there for both.     Even though the drug days gave us the classics.   There were albums that were "all killer no filler" (like Rocks) and then there were some that had a couple of fantastic tunes and the rest was mostly just there.  (Draw the Line comes to mind).    The clean years had some similarities.   I think Permanent Vacation and Pump are back to front good albums (even though Pump is so overplayed I'm sick of it), and then.....ya most of the rest of the rest of it is pretty much 2 or 3 great tunes and a bunch of filler.    (for the record, I always loved Done With Mirrors as well.   I know most people thought it was meh, but I think it's a very strong Aerosmith album.  I even like it more than Draw the Line or Night in the Ruts)
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   (for the record, I always loved Done With Mirrors as well.   I know most people thought it was meh, but I think it's a very strong Aerosmith album.  I even like it more than Draw the Line or Night in the Ruts)

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   (for the record, I always loved Done With Mirrors as well.   I know most people thought it was meh, but I think it's a very strong Aerosmith album.  I even like it more than Draw the Line or Night in the Ruts)

Best post you've made in about three weeks! :lol



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My Second favorite: Done With Mirrors.




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