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DT post-breakup lines. (Except from Space Dye Vest)
« on: February 15, 2018, 12:18:05 PM »
What is/are in your opinion a/the Dream Theater songs that could represent a breakup? I have excluded Space Dye Vest because it seems the most obvious answer.

I would go with:
-My Last Farewell (the title says it all)
-Disappear (I know the song is about someone actually dying but it can also be interpreted as 'moving on' from a negative event in general)
-The Best of Times (remembering the best moments spent together)
-Behind the Veil (when the other one seems to not be affected by anything while you are desperately begging help)
-Endless Sacrifice (all the sacrifices you have done seems to not matter anymore)
-Far From Heaven (when you say to your loved one that she can't change your feelings even if she tries)

These were the ones that come to my mind.

BIG EDIT. Now the thread is referring not to 'songs' but actual 'lines'.  ;D
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Re: DT post-breakup songs. (Except Space Dye Vest)
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2018, 12:42:02 PM »
My Last Farewell isn't a breakup song at all. It's Gabriel's despair at seeing his brother dead and Faythe dying.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2018, 01:01:57 PM »
My Last Farewell isn't a breakup song at all. It's Gabriel's despair at seeing his brother dead and Faythe dying.

True. I didn't specify but I was referring in particular at the piano introduction and the last section "crushing pain"

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2018, 01:04:59 PM »
Endless Sacrifice is the total opposite, is about struggling to stay together in spite of the distance, it can hardly be re-imagined as a breakup song... yes, the chorus is pessimistic, but the verses and the climax (Over the distance we try to make sense of surviving together while living apart) all celebrate commitment.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2018, 01:07:01 PM »
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I think DT has always kind of avoided writing normal non-specific breakup song lyrics. There can be some songs that can be applied to a breakup situation as well as to other kind of failing relationship.

Examples of this might be Far From Heaven: "You take your pride while I die inside every day", Beneath the Surface: "Until one day I stopped Caring. And began to forget why I tried to be so Close", You Not Me: "You're building my prison brick by brick, Eating your words is making me sick, You get what you want, Cause nothing is sacred, You're reading my mind and leaving me naked" or Status Seeker: "Are you sanctified in your judgment of me? All that I deserve is what you were unable to see". You can even stretch that to Raise the Knife, even if that's MP talking about a Manager/Kevin Moore: "Reading through all the digests that you show me, I notice the way that you think you control me, Doubting my future, you don't even know me. But I never walked out on you"

Endless Sacrifice is the total opposite, is about struggling to stay together in spite of the distance, it can hardly be re-imagined as a breakup song... yes, the chorus is pessimistic, but the verses and the climax (Over the distance we try to make sense of surviving together while living apart) all celebrate commitment.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2018, 01:45:49 PM »
I don't get what this thread is supposed to be about.  None of those songs are about breakups.  What exactly are you asking?
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2018, 02:02:25 PM »
I don't get what this thread is supposed to be about.  None of those songs are about breakups.  What exactly are you asking?

I was wondering if some DT songs can be interpreted differently as they are meant to be, into a breakup style song. If the thread seems off topic please be free to lock it.  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2018, 02:46:58 PM »
It's not "off topic."  The topic is just odd.  There's a difference.  :lol 
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2018, 02:53:24 PM »
I don't get what this thread is supposed to be about.  None of those songs are about breakups.  What exactly are you asking?

I was wondering if some DT songs can be interpreted differently as they are meant to be, into a breakup style song. If the thread seems off topic please be free to lock it.  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2018, 03:02:17 PM »
Well, Honor Thy Father has some tasty lines if you want to take them out of context and wield them during the breakup.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2018, 05:58:44 PM »
The lyrics in my signature could be the girl before she breaks up with you
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2018, 06:51:23 PM »
Well, Honor Thy Father has some tasty lines if you want to take them out of context and wield them during the breakup.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2018, 07:38:58 PM »
Umm, Behind The Veil isn't a break up song....and the true story behind it is rather horrific  :'(
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2018, 07:50:46 PM »
Is Lie about a break up of sorts?
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2018, 08:00:42 PM »
So we're supposed to post lyrics that are like a breakup?
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 10:49:34 PM »
Never Enough sounds like he is getting ready to go!       
   
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2018, 11:38:37 PM »
So we're supposed to post lyrics that are like a breakup?

Yes.

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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2018, 03:28:03 AM »
So we're supposed to post lyrics that are like a breakup?

Yes.

Well then, Pull Me Under is a kinky breakup song  :hat
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2018, 01:06:10 PM »
All of Beneath the Surface could be a breakup song. Hell when I first heard it I thought it was John talking about how he felt about Mike leaving.
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2018, 01:15:07 PM »
Raising the Knife?
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 03:34:15 PM »
The Dark Eternal Night, Petrucci describing an ex  :lol
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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2018, 04:10:51 PM »
The Dark Eternal Night, Petrucci describing an ex  :lol

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2018, 04:45:58 PM »
All of Beneath the Surface could be a breakup song. Hell when I first heard it I thought it was John talking about how he felt about Mike leaving.
Although John will never admit it in a million years, to me, it’s exactly this the source of inspiration for this song.
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2018, 11:28:56 PM »
All of Beneath the Surface could be a breakup song. Hell when I first heard it I thought it was John talking about how he felt about Mike leaving.
Although John will never admit it in a million years, to me, it’s exactly this the source of inspiration for this song.

Same with The Looking Glass for me.
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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2018, 04:51:08 AM »
All of Beneath the Surface could be a breakup song. Hell when I first heard it I thought it was John talking about how he felt about Mike leaving.
Although John will never admit it in a million years, to me, it’s exactly this the source of inspiration for this song.

Well, never say never, but to me the lyrics are quite straightforward, it's about two people that could be in a relationship, but for whatever reason never found the right time to open to each other's feelings, until the window of opportunity closed forever. It's not a breakup song, it's a "never getting together in the first place" song.
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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2018, 06:23:45 AM »
Interesting, I never read this lyrics this way, but also it makes a lot of sense. John had ever said anything about his inspiration for this song?
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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2018, 06:49:18 AM »

Well, never say never, but to me the lyrics are quite straightforward, it's about two people that could be in a relationship, but for whatever reason never found the right time to open to each other's feelings, until the window of opportunity closed forever. It's not a breakup song, it's a "never getting together in the first place" song.

I've listened to it this morning and it gave me this exact feeling of "never getting together"

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2018, 05:42:33 PM »
Interesting, I always saw it as a really sad breakup song
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2018, 03:40:36 AM »
In many ways, 6:00 and Innocence Faded are break-up songs each representing his respective side of the argument. 

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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2018, 02:35:09 PM »
John had ever said anything about his inspiration for this song?
Yes:
One of the questions I had been meaning to ask JP was regarding the lyrics to Beneath the Surface and who they were about, since it appears they are about his relationship with MP.

JP explained that when he was writing the lyrics, he was thinking of the relationship that he has with his kids (who are now in their teens) - how they are becoming more independent and growing apart from him as they get older - and comparing it to his own relationship with his parents when he was their age and the similarities between them, "kinda like the 'Cat's in the Cradle'" (song from Harry Chapin). So that's the story behind those lyrics. Cool side note is that he even took out his iPhone to show me pictures of his kids.   :)
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JP's lyrics are about his reflections looking back on his childhood years and how it's sometimes difficult for a father and son to connect for various reasons - in no way is it reflective of his relationship with Reny or his daughters.
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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2018, 04:51:21 PM »
Really cool to know that, Scotty, thanks!
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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2018, 11:42:09 AM »
I think far from heaven and beneath the surface is the strongest one.!  Maybe Hollow years too
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