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THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« on: January 11, 2018, 12:18:18 PM »
Welcome to The Wilson Cup 2018! A shiny new (and hopefully fun and positive) way of determining a Champion among Steven Wilson songs. What are we doing here? Well...

FORMAT
50 songs will compete in the tournament. 45 songs (most of the tracks from the 5 studio albums) are qualified automatically. Other tracks (bonus tracks, Cover Version (original songs only), 4˝ EP, plus the shorter tracks/interludes from the main albums) entered a qualification tournament for the last five slots.

The group stage had the 50 songs split into five groups of ten. These competed against each other in a round-robin tournament, the results of which you can see below.

QUALIFYING TOURNAMENT (15-21 JAN)
The five songs that qualified were My Book of Regrets, Happiness III, Vermillioncore, Don't Hate Me (2016) and The Birthday Party. Three rounds were required.

FINAL GROUP STAGE TABLES (22 JAN-18 FEB)

KEY: (Points / Vote differential / Votes for-against / Matches won-tied-lost)
Songs in GREEN qualified for the knockout stage
* Song qualified as the highest-scoring 4th-place song


Top 3 songs qualified from each group, along with the highest-scoring 4th-place song.

TIEBREAKING METHODS
1. Points
2. Vote differential
3. Higher votes for
4. More matches won
5. Head-to-head record

GROUP A
1. THE WATCHMAKER (25pts / +44 / 56-22 / 8-0-1)
2. MY BOOK OF REGRETS (22pts / +24 / 49-25 / 7-1-1)
3. REGRET #9 (22pts / +23 / 51-28 / 7-1-1)
4. THE SAME ASYLUM AS BEFORE (18pts / +15 / 47-32 / 6-0-3) *

5. HOME INVASION (15pts / +23 / 39-16 / 5-0-4)
6. SALVAGING (9pts / -11 / 31-42 / 3-0-6)
7. ABANDONER (7pts / -14 / 30-44 / 2-1-6)
8. SECTARIAN (7pts / -20 / 27-47 / 2-1-6)
9. THE PIN DROP (4pts / -27 / 25-52 / 1-1-7)
10. BLANK TAPES (4pts / -28 / 25-53 / 1-1-7)

GROUP B
1. DRIVE HOME (25pts / +33 / 57-24 / 8-1-0)
2. THREE YEARS OLDER (24pts / +42 / 61-19 / 8-0-1)
3. PARIAH (22pts / +42 / 61-19 / 7-1-1)

4. TO THE BONE (16pts / +2 / 41-39 / 5-1-3)
5. HAPPY RETURNS (15pts / +11 / 45-34 / 5-0-4)
6. SONG OF I (13pts / +15 / 38-43 / 4-1-4)
7. INSURGENTES (9pts / -11 / 32-43 / 3-0-6)
8. SIGNIFICANT OTHER (6pts / -25 / 26-51 / 2-0-7)
9. LIKE DUST (3pts / -40 / 18-58 / 1-0-8)
10. HAPPINESS III (0pts / -49 / 15-64 / 0-0-9)

GROUP C
1. ANCESTRAL (27pts / +63 / 74-11 / 9-0-0)
2. THE RAVEN (24pts / +47 / 65-18 / 8-0-1)
3. HAND CANNOT ERASE (21pts / +37 / 61-24 / 7-0-2)

4. PERFECT LIFE (16pts / +10 / 47-37 / 5-1-3)
5. POSTCARD (13pts / 0 / 41-41 / 4-1-4)
6. NO TWILIGHT (12pts / -11 / 36-47 / 4-0-5)
7. SONG OF UNBORN (12pts / -15 / 35-50 / 4-0-5)
8. VERMILLIONCORE (6pts / -25 / 29-54 / 2-0-7)
9. ONLY CHILD (3pts / -39 / 22-61 / 1-0-8)
10. TWILIGHT CODA (0pts / -67 / 8-75 / 0-0-9)

GROUP D
1. ROUTINE (27pts / +59 / 71-12 / 9-0-0)
2. DETONATION (22pts / +35 / 59-24 / 7-1-1)
3. LUMINOL (21pts / +27 / 54-27 / 7-0-2)

4. DEFORM TO FORM A STAR (16pts / +10 / 47-37 / 5-1-3)
5. RAIDER II (12pts / +9 / 45-36 / 3-3-3)
6. DON'T HATE ME (12pts / -12 / 35-47 / 3-3-3)
7. PERMANATING (11pts / -12 / 36-48 / 3-2-4)
8. TRANSIENCE (6pts / -23 / 29-52 / 2-0-7)
9. VENENO PARA LAS HADAS (3pts / -30 / 24-54 / 1-0-8)
10. TRACK ONE (0pts / -63 / 8-71 / 0-0-9)

GROUP E
1. REFUGE (25pts / +50 / 67-17 / 8-1-0)
2. PEOPLE WHO EAT DARKNESS (17pts / +14 / 48-34 / 5-2-2)
3. INDEX (16pts / +9 / 45-36 / 5-1-3)

4. THE HOLY DRINKER (16pts / -4 / 38-42 / 5-1-3)
5. HARMONY KORINE (15pts / +5 / 44-39 / 5-0-4)
6. GET ALL YOU DESERVE (15pts / -6 / 37-43 / 5-0-4)
7. NO PART OF ME (13pts / -5 / 37-42 / 4-1-4)
8. NOWHERE NOW (8pts / -7 / 37-44 / 2-2-5)
9. REMAINDER THE BLACK DOG (5pts / -15 / 34-49 / 1-2-6)
10. THE BIRTHDAY PARTY (0pts / -44 / 18-62 / 0-0-9)

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COMPLETED GROUP STAGE ROUNDS

Links to all completed rounds in the group stage. Click for each round's results and the league tables as they stood:

Round 1: A - B - C - D - E
Round 2: A - B - C - D - E
Round 3: A - B - C - D - E
Round 4: A - B - C - D - E
Round 5: A - B - C - D - E
Round 6: A - B - C - D - E
Round 7: A - B - C - D - E
Round 8: A - B - C - D - E
Round 9: A - B - C - D - E

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KNOCKOUT STAGE (19-28 Feb)

Round of 16
ANCESTRAL 8-5 HAND CANNOT ERASE
THE SAME ASYLUM AS BEFORE 5-8 PEOPLE WHO EAT DARKNESS
REGRET #9 4-8 REFUGE
INDEX 4-8 THE WATCHMAKER
DRIVE HOME 9-4 DETONATION
MY BOOK OF REGRETS 3-10 THE RAVEN THAT REFUSED TO SING
PARIAH 6-7 ROUTINE
THREE YEARS OLDER 7-6 LUMINOL

Quarter-Finals
REFUGE 7-3 PEOPLE WHO EAT DARKNESS
ANCESTRAL 6-5 THE WATCHMAKER
THREE YEARS OLDER 4-7 ROUTINE
DRIVE HOME 4-7 THE RAVEN THAT REFUSED TO SING

Semi-Finals / Tiebreakers
ANCESTRAL 6-6 THE RAVEN THAT REFUSED TO SING (The Raven won tiebreaker 6-5)
ROUTINE 6-6 REFUGE (Refuge won tiebreaker 6-5)

Final
THE RAVEN THAT REFUSED TO SING 12-4 REFUGE
« Last Edit: February 28, 2018, 07:05:07 AM by RoeDent »
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Re: THE WILSON CUP - Home thread
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 01:34:06 PM »
Cool!
Hey dude slow the fuck down so we can finish together at the same time.  :biggrin:
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Re: THE WILSON CUP - Home thread
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 02:00:30 PM »
Nice... I'm seeing him live on the 26th of February so will be listening a lot anyway....

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Re: THE WILSON CUP - Home thread
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 02:55:14 PM »
A few extra things, for the Group Stage draw:

1. Each group will include one of the five qualifiers.

2. There will be a maximum of three songs from the same album in the same group.

3. I'll probably need a day or two after the qualifying tournament in order to set everything up, draw the groups and match orders.
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Re: THE WILSON CUP - Home thread
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2018, 10:10:54 AM »
This is nice, I'll try to participate as much as I can.

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Re: THE WILSON CUP - Home thread
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2018, 04:51:38 PM »
Who is Wilson, is it?


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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 01:17:39 AM »
My apologies. I can't believe that, in the entire OP, I didn't mention the man whose songs we're playing with here. Just to clarify, this is a Steven Wilson tournament, dealing mainly with his five solo albums.
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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2018, 01:45:16 AM »
We have our five Qualifiers! They are My Book of Regrets, Happiness III, Vermillioncore, The Birthday Party and Don't Hate Me (2016). These join the 45 songs automatically in the main draw (all the main studio album tracks). A few words about the draw:

GROUP STAGE DRAW PROCEDURE

The songs will be drawn into five groups, with 10 songs in each group. The five Qualifiers (listed above) are in a separate pot and will be drawn last, one going into slot 10 of each group. Also, there will be a maximum of three songs from the same album drawn into the same group.

I have all the songs written on pieces of paper, which I will draw at random out of a bowl. The 1st song will go into Group A, slot 1, then it will be B1, C1, D1, E1, then A2, B2 and so on. I will post the groups when the draw is complete, but then I have to arrange all the matchups. I will use a round-robin tournament generator to do this, and then a number randomizer to jumble the Round numbers around. The result will be the order in which all the songs in each group face each other.

MATCH SCHEDULING: So I don't clog up the P&S page more than I need to, some of the groups' matches will be posted in the same thread. So on day 1 I'll post Round 1 for Groups A & B, then the next day I'll post Group C, then Groups D & E the following day. After that we go back to Groups A & B for Round 2, and so on. So all being well, the group stage should last around 28 days. Each poll will be open for 24 hours.

The Group Stage should hopefully begin tomorrow morning, UK time. Now, to set everything up. Wish me luck!
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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2018, 01:50:04 AM »
Puncture Wound is dead :( long live Puncture Wound

Good luck with the draw. I trust that you’ll do this honestly. I’ll be here for the remainder of the tournament to vote (and to watch how this new system of ‘survivor’ will turn out!)
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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2018, 03:00:59 AM »
Good luck with the draw...

And yay for the Birthday Party getting in.

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2018, 03:14:58 AM »
The draw has been made! This is 100% exactly how the draw turned out. As it happens, only once did I need to skip over a group due to the "3 songs from the same album" rule. Also, some funny coincidences in Group A, namely Home Invasion and Regret #9 being drawn into the same group, and Regret #9 being drawn into slot #9. Anyway, here are the groups in full:

GROUP A
1. THE SAME ASYLUM AS BEFORE
2. THE PIN DROP
3. SECTARIAN
4. BLANK TAPES
5. THE WATCHMAKER
6. SALVAGING
7. HOME INVASION
8. ABANDONER
9. REGRET #9
10. MY BOOK OF REGRETS

GROUP B
1. LIKE DUST I HAVE CLEARED FROM MY EYE
2. SIGNIFICANT OTHER
3. TO THE BONE
4. DRIVE HOME
5. THREE YEARS OLDER
6. INSURGENTES
7. HAPPY RETURNS
8. PARIAH
9. SONG OF I
10. HAPPINESS III

GROUP C
1. SONG OF UNBORN
2. THE RAVEN THAT REFUSED TO SING
3. PERFECT LIFE
4. ANCESTRAL
5. HAND CANNOT ERASE
6. ONLY CHILD
7. POSTCARD
8. NO TWILIGHT WITHIN THE COURTS OF THE SUN
9. TWILIGHT CODA
10. VERMILLIONCORE

GROUP D
1. VENENO PARA LAS HADAS
2. DETONATION
3. DEFORM TO FORM A STAR
4. TRANSIENCE
5. PERMANATING
6. LUMINOL
7. ROUTINE
8. RAIDER II
9. TRACK ONE
10. DON'T HATE ME (2016)

GROUP E
1. THE HOLY DRINKER
2. REMAINDER THE BLACK DOG
3. PEOPLE WHO EAT DARKNESS
4. GET ALL YOU DESERVE
5. NOWHERE NOW
6. REFUGE
7. HARMONY KORINE
8. NO PART OF ME
9. INDEX
10. THE BIRTHDAY PARTY

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Each group is its own separate tournament. Songs will be paired up against each other, and you pick the song you want to win each match. Songs will receive 3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie and 0 points for a loss. Vote differential will be taken into account, and used as the first tiebreaker between songs with equal points. Subsequent tiebreakers are, in order: matches won; votes for; head-to-head record.

After each song has gone up against every other song in its group (over 9 rounds), the Top 3 songs in each group will progress to the knockout stage, along with the best-performing 4th-placed song. There will be no seeding involved. The songs that progress will simply go into the random draw for the Round of 16.
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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2018, 04:20:47 AM »

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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 03:00:01 AM »
To make things a bit easier for me, I've decided I'm going to post links to each completed round in the opening post above. You can refer to these for the results in each round, plus the league table for each group as it stood at that time.

I will post the final tables in this thread once the group stage has been completed.
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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 09:12:45 AM »
As we're past the halfway point in the group stage, I thought it would be interesting to give you a quick look at how the 4th-placed songs are doing. Remember that the best-performing 4th-placed song qualifies for the knockout stage along with the top 3 in each group.

CURRENT RANKING OF 4TH-PLACED SONGS AFTER ROUND 5 (KEY: Points / Vote differential)

1. DEFORM TO FORM A STAR (Group D) (12pts / +13)
2. HAPPY RETURNS (Group B) (12pts / +11)
3. NO TWILIGHT (Group C) (12pts / +6)
4. THE SAME ASYLUM AS BEFORE  (Group A) (9pts / +3)
5. HARMONY KORINE (Group E) (9pts / +2)

So if the group stage ended now, Deform to Form a Star would qualify for the knockout stage. But there's plenty of time for that to change, with 4 rounds remaining.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 05:46:49 AM »
Going into the final round of the group stage now. 12 songs have got their names in the hat for the Round of 16 draw already (see the opening post above), with 4 spots still remaining. This is the state of play as regards the 4th-place songs.

RANKING OF 4TH-PLACE SONGS AFTER ROUND 8 (Points / Vote differential)
DEFORM TO FORM A STAR (Group D) (16pts / +17)
HAPPY RETURNS (Group B) (15pts / +12)
THE SAME ASYLUM AS BEFORE (Group A) (15pts / +11)
POSTCARD (Group C) (13pts / +6)
INDEX (Group E) (13pts / +4)
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2018, 09:18:35 AM »
After 225 matches over 28 days, the Group Stage of the Wilson Cup is complete! We started with 50 songs, and 16 remain to compete in the knockout stage.

SONGS COMPETING IN ROUND OF 16
MY BOOK OF REGRETS
PARIAH
DRIVE HOME
ANCESTRAL
ROUTINE
REFUGE
THE WATCHMAKER
REGRET #9
THREE YEARS OLDER
THE RAVEN THAT REFUSED TO SING
HAND CANNOT ERASE
LUMINOL
DETONATION
PEOPLE WHO EAT DARKNESS
INDEX
THE SAME ASYLUM AS BEFORE

So that's 5 songs from To the Bone, 5 from Hand Cannot Erase, 4 from The Raven That Refused to Sing, and 1 each from Grace for Drowning and the 4˝ EP.

KNOCKOUT STAGE PROCEDURE
The matchups will be determined by random draw, as was the case with the group stage. With five groups, it's impossible to keep all songs from the same group separate, so it's quite possible we will see two songs that competed in the same group go head-to-head again, depending on how the draw goes.

The knockout stage will consist of a Round of 16, the Quarter-Finals, the Semi-Finals and the Final. The winners of each match will go into the draw for the next round. Any tied matches will go into a 24-hour Tiebreaker round. If the tiebreaker round is tied, then we refer back to the group stage and use the same tiebreaking methods such as vote differential, etc.

Main knockout rounds will last for 48 hours. So join us as Phase 2 of The Wilson Cup gets underway!
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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2018, 09:58:33 AM »
No songs AT ALL from Insurgentes made the last 16? Damn, I'm disappointed in all the voters, even though it doesn't really surprise me..
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2018, 11:42:35 AM »
FINAL RANKING OF 4TH-PLACE SONGS
1. THE SAME ASYLUM AS BEFORE (18pts / +15)
2= DEFORM TO FORM A STAR (16pts / +10)
2= PERFECT LIFE (16pts / +10)
4. TO THE BONE (16pts / +2)
5. THE HOLY DRINKER (16pts / -4)

DTFAS and Perfect Life had exactly identical records in every possible way. If The Same Asylum hadn't beaten them, we would have needed a playoff round.
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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2018, 06:53:52 AM »
Ladies and gentlemen, the champion of The Wilson Cup 2018 is:

THE RAVEN THAT REFUSED TO SING

The 2013 SW Survivor champion becomes the first champion of The Wilson Cup!

And with that, we are done! Thank you so much to everyone who took part in the tournament and made it a roaring success! I was milling over the idea for a good few months before actually taking the plunge with it, so I'm really chuffed it went as well as it did, especially as it was an unfamiliar format. If ever I do another one of these, I'll run with this format (or something similar) again. For one thing, tiebreakers weren't required until the knockout stage, so it didn't stall things nearly as much if a match was tied in the group stage. And people were voting for the ones they wanted to win, hopefully making it a more positive experience overall.

I'll update the OP with results/links from the knockout rounds. Once again, thank you for taking part, and farewell!
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Re: THE WILSON CUP (Steven Wilson tournament) - Home thread
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2018, 07:27:38 AM »
Fun to take part in - thanks for organising :D
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