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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #105 on: January 07, 2018, 07:38:47 PM »
I think the Lennon and McCarthy comparison was probably started by MP.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #106 on: January 07, 2018, 07:41:10 PM »
He could be replaced with someone with a very very similar voice, If it worked for Queensryche, why not for DT?

I don't know if I'd say it "worked."  Most people seem satisfied with the new guy but it hurt their brand.  They aren't near the popularity they were with Tate.

Yeah, but look how Tate is doing by himself... :lol



Oh I agree.  He is the clear loser in this.

Is he? He is still very active and at peace with himself. QR is without him which they wanted. I think it's a win win. Tate does not seem at all bitter about the breakup.

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« Reply #107 on: January 07, 2018, 08:09:45 PM »
He could be replaced with someone with a very very similar voice, If it worked for Queensryche, why not for DT?

I don't know if I'd say it "worked."  Most people seem satisfied with the new guy but it hurt their brand.  They aren't near the popularity they were with Tate.

Yeah, but look how Tate is doing by himself... :lol



Oh I agree.  He is the clear loser in this.

Is he? He is still very active and at peace with himself. QR is without him which they wanted. I think it's a win win. Tate does not seem at all bitter about the breakup.

To be honest, I don't care about Queensryche or Tate one way or the other.  Never listened to them.  From an outsider point of view, it seemed like Tate was being a dick and it seems like the majority of QR fans agree. 

All I know other than that is that he playing in tiny clubs while QR is playing small theatres, mid sized clubs, and casinos. 

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #108 on: January 07, 2018, 08:09:55 PM »
I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.

I would totally agree 15 years ago. But these guys don't have much left in terms of output or touring just by virtue of their age. There is nothing to be gained by replacing a member who can't carry their load at this point.

I don't know. Lots of musicians older than Dream Theater are still out there touring. Myung and Petrucci are only 50. If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #109 on: January 07, 2018, 08:37:57 PM »
I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.

I would totally agree 15 years ago. But these guys don't have much left in terms of output or touring just by virtue of their age. There is nothing to be gained by replacing a member who can't carry their load at this point.

I don’t see DT retiring anytime soon. I think they’ll last at least untill their 40th anniversary like Rush did, so that’s enough years to keep releasing material and touring a lot. If one of the current memebers doesn’t want to continue with that, I don’t see why DT can’t move on and keep doing it untill they (probably JP) decide to call it a day.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #110 on: January 07, 2018, 10:01:11 PM »
Tate was being a dick but now that the dust has settled it seems like the two camps happily occupy their own spaces. I also can't see Queensryches' current popularity being much different with Tate in the band.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #111 on: January 08, 2018, 09:00:44 AM »
If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.

Nah....all of these guys are super talented....including JLB and I think their music will evolve along with their age to compliment JLB's voice and the skills of each member. As they age....like with any athlete or as we've seen with other aging musicians, they might not be able to play 'like they used to' but I can see JP, JR and Co. orchestrating and crafting future efforts to 'deal' with any issues that aging may bring.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #112 on: January 08, 2018, 09:08:54 AM »
Tate was being a dick but now that the dust has settled it seems like the two camps happily occupy their own spaces. I also can't see Queensryches' current popularity being much different with Tate in the band.

Agreed, Tate's behavior kept me away from 2011 until last year when I saw Tate's acoustic show. I started watching interviews of him on youtube and watching clips and he really seems to now be humble and changed. I have nothing against  the current QR lineup but I like to hear Geoff sing QR material even if he can't do it "as well" as LaTorre.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #113 on: January 08, 2018, 11:11:59 AM »
If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.

Nah....all of these guys are super talented....including JLB and I think their music will evolve along with their age to compliment JLB's voice and the skills of each member. As they age....like with any athlete or as we've seen with other aging musicians, they might not be able to play 'like they used to' but I can see JP, JR and Co. orchestrating and crafting future efforts to 'deal' with any issues that aging may bring.

Agree with this. I think LaBrie has a unique voice now, even if he can't hot the higher registers like he used to. His vocal tone is still distinctive. The guys will adapt to the changes they go through. It will be interesting to see where they go musically.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #114 on: January 08, 2018, 11:17:01 AM »
If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.

Nah....all of these guys are super talented....including JLB and I think their music will evolve along with their age to compliment JLB's voice and the skills of each member. As they age....like with any athlete or as we've seen with other aging musicians, they might not be able to play 'like they used to' but I can see JP, JR and Co. orchestrating and crafting future efforts to 'deal' with any issues that aging may bring.

Agree with this. I think LaBrie has a unique voice now, even if he can't hot the higher registers like he used to. His vocal tone is still distinctive. The guys will adapt to the changes they go through. It will be interesting to see where they go musically.

Unless a lead singer dies or quits I can't see the move to want to replace them. So what if they sound better, it's not the original person.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #115 on: January 08, 2018, 01:38:58 PM »
When looking at this pic I found my way to Max’s twitter feed . . . wish I hadn’t. It’s like he’s trying to out-douche his old man and his vocabulary is just as limited.

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« Reply #116 on: January 08, 2018, 02:20:25 PM »
If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.

Nah....all of these guys are super talented....including JLB and I think their music will evolve along with their age to compliment JLB's voice and the skills of each member. As they age....like with any athlete or as we've seen with other aging musicians, they might not be able to play 'like they used to' but I can see JP, JR and Co. orchestrating and crafting future efforts to 'deal' with any issues that aging may bring.

Agree with this. I think LaBrie has a unique voice now, even if he can't hot the higher registers like he used to. His vocal tone is still distinctive. The guys will adapt to the changes they go through. It will be interesting to see where they go musically.

Unless a lead singer dies or quits I can't see the move to want to replace them. So what if they sound better, it's not the original person.

Pretty much how I feel. I wouldn’t be a fan of the band anymore if they sacked JLB for a younger guy. It just wouldn’t feel the same anymore. As long as he can kind of hit their stuff live and sound good on the albums, then all is well imo.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #117 on: January 08, 2018, 02:47:18 PM »
They could find a second vocalist and reinvent DT as a duo vocalist band. JLB will hurt his voice if he tries to sing things he could only do as a 20 year old (and also the bands reputation). The new guy can handle the impossible stuff, and JLB can stick to what he sounds best at :)
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« Reply #118 on: January 08, 2018, 04:08:28 PM »
They could find a second vocalist and reinvent DT as a duo vocalist band. JLB will hurt his voice if he tries to sing things he could only do as a 20 year old (and also the bands reputation). The new guy can handle the impossible stuff, and JLB can stick to what he sounds best at :)

Boston did that around 2004 I think. I saw them live and it worked very well.

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« Reply #119 on: January 08, 2018, 04:10:36 PM »
When looking at this pic I found my way to Max’s twitter feed . . . wish I hadn’t. It’s like he’s trying to out-douche his old man and his vocabulary is just as limited.

You got me curious. I see he has a new band as well now. He is going to beat his dad's record by the time he is his age. :)

Also is MP recording a new Neal Morse album?  After the last album I would be interested in hearing that.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #120 on: January 08, 2018, 06:08:30 PM »
They could find a second vocalist and reinvent DT as a duo vocalist band. JLB will hurt his voice if he tries to sing things he could only do as a 20 year old (and also the bands reputation). The new guy can handle the impossible stuff, and JLB can stick to what he sounds best at :)

Boston did that around 2004 I think. I saw them live and it worked very well.
Boston also did that when Brad Delp was still with them in 1995-1997 and then some. Fran Cosmo sang the really high notes on songs such as Hollyanne so Brad could sing most songs without straining. It worked great and Brad Delp refered to Fran as his vocal savior..  One of the best concerts I've ever seen!
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #121 on: January 09, 2018, 04:22:54 AM »
Tenacious D have been doing it too on their recent acoustic tours; the stunt vocalist does the high part while JB sings an octave lower
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #122 on: January 09, 2018, 07:17:55 AM »
The moment DT starts emulating Tenacious D is the moment I stop listening to music.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #123 on: January 09, 2018, 07:34:17 AM »
The moment DT starts emulating Tenacious D is the moment I stop listening to music.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #124 on: January 09, 2018, 08:43:53 AM »
"LaBrie has rocked for a long, long time.
Now it's time for him to pass the torch.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #125 on: January 09, 2018, 08:47:13 AM »
Tenacious D have been doing it too on their recent acoustic tours; the stunt vocalist does the high part while JB sings an octave lower

Mick Jagger has been doing this for YEARS. But the Stones always had backup singers. I´m not sure how it would look if they introduced this in DT.

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« Reply #126 on: January 09, 2018, 09:38:07 AM »
Indeed, there are bands where it could work - Meat Loaf's music for example calls for a lot of vocals, and I reckon the backup vocalist carry by now the show anyway - , and Blind Guardian's music to be faithfully reproduced on stage would need like a whole damn choir... but with DT it would made no sense.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #127 on: January 09, 2018, 09:42:51 AM »
DT is never getting rid of James LaBrie, nor they should.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #128 on: January 09, 2018, 12:28:15 PM »
The moment DT starts emulating Tenacious D is the moment I stop listening to music.

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« Reply #129 on: January 10, 2018, 02:04:44 AM »
Indeed, there are bands where it could work - Meat Loaf's music for example calls for a lot of vocals, and I reckon the backup vocalist carry by now the show anyway

I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another show from Meat Loaf again, I believe he is completely done with music after releasing Braver and having to cancel the tour for that. For the last few tours Meats voice has sort of been there but you're right in that the role of the backing vocalists increased to cater for Meats voice going.

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« Reply #130 on: January 10, 2018, 03:16:26 AM »
I believe Ian Anderson did the same thing for the last tours.

Still, it wouldn't feel right for me.
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« Reply #131 on: January 10, 2018, 03:41:35 PM »
Indeed, there are bands where it could work - Meat Loaf's music for example calls for a lot of vocals, and I reckon the backup vocalist carry by now the show anyway

I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another show from Meat Loaf again, I believe he is completely done with music after releasing Braver and having to cancel the tour for that. For the last few tours Meats voice has sort of been there but you're right in that the role of the backing vocalists increased to cater for Meats voice going.

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« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2018, 02:21:39 AM »
Indeed, there are bands where it could work - Meat Loaf's music for example calls for a lot of vocals, and I reckon the backup vocalist carry by now the show anyway

I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another show from Meat Loaf again, I believe he is completely done with music after releasing Braver and having to cancel the tour for that. For the last few tours Meats voice has sort of been there but you're right in that the role of the backing vocalists increased to cater for Meats voice going.

Meatloaf has still got it.
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As much as I'm a fan of Meat that is something he should never have done, so far beyond cringeworthy.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2018, 09:03:04 AM »
Meatloaf has still got it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-D6zj5U1g

As much as I'm a fan of Meat that is something he should never have done, so far beyond cringeworthy.
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« Reply #134 on: January 11, 2018, 10:27:50 AM »
That video will never not be funny.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #135 on: January 11, 2018, 11:04:13 AM »
Meatloaf has still got it.
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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #136 on: January 11, 2018, 11:32:14 AM »
That smile on Meat's face at the end was like,.....yeah I rock, you don't have to thank me, it's a gift !
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« Reply #137 on: January 11, 2018, 02:52:28 PM »
That smile on Meat's face at the end was like,.....yeah I rock, you don't have to thank me, it's a gift !

...and the look on Mitt's face was like "Can you believe this guy?!  What a talent!"

All the while there is some other musician in a cowboy hat legitimately trying to sing.  Poor guy.

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« Reply #138 on: January 11, 2018, 03:32:27 PM »
I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.

I would totally agree 15 years ago. But these guys don't have much left in terms of output or touring just by virtue of their age. There is nothing to be gained by replacing a member who can't carry their load at this point.

I disagree totally, there would be an awful lot TO gain by doing this. All of the musicians are still at the very top of their game and can go on for another 10 years at least but JLB must be getting very close to having to call it quits before his (and to a large extent too, the bands) reputation and legacy is ruined. Concert after concert these days is followed by lots of online comments that James is really struggling and sounding bad (in places). There is never even ONE comment similar about any of the other members so to me, if it came to a choice between the band quiting before their time or replacing James, then they answer is easy for me, tell James "thanks for a brilliant 25 odd years" and then find a new singer.

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Re: Happy New Year From JP and MP
« Reply #139 on: January 11, 2018, 03:34:02 PM »
They could find a second vocalist and reinvent DT as a duo vocalist band. JLB will hurt his voice if he tries to sing things he could only do as a 20 year old (and also the bands reputation). The new guy can handle the impossible stuff, and JLB can stick to what he sounds best at :)

Thats not a bad idea at all.