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« Reply #280 on: January 03, 2018, 07:05:10 AM »
Personally I would love if they do something with Snoke in the final film. Maybe make him a clone of the Emperor. I've read a cool fan theory that Rey was a clone of Luke's taken from his had found on Bespin. Maybe another Snoke shows up and Kylo not only has to contend with a threat from Rey but a threat from another dark sider. Maybe there is another force out there orchestrating/profiting from the conflict in the galaxy. There are so many different directions JJ could take the next movie I'm already ridiculously excited. Only 717 more days!

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« Reply #281 on: January 03, 2018, 07:08:35 AM »
That sounds like some EU-level crap right there. :lol No thanks.
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« Reply #282 on: January 03, 2018, 07:22:15 AM »


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I wouldn't be keen to see any more of Snoke. Leave him be and work on developing the existing characters further.

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« Reply #283 on: January 03, 2018, 09:19:44 AM »
I think not explaining Snoke was kind of a direct little middle finger to all the theorists out there and everyone still thinking there's some secret Snoke plot is giving the writers a bit too much credit. He's done and forgotten. Maybe he'll be in a flashback, but I'll be amazed if they do anything meaningful with him in the next movie.

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« Reply #284 on: January 03, 2018, 09:36:09 AM »
I hadn't really thought about him orchestrating his own death or anything like that, but it's not a bad theory.  While I'm still leaning toward him being gone, I don't think a theory like that is too farfetched, and I wouldn't be that surprised if it played out that way if done well.
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« Reply #285 on: January 03, 2018, 09:53:49 AM »
I hadn't really thought about him orchestrating his own death or anything like that, but it's not a bad theory.  While I'm still leaning toward him being gone, I don't think a theory like that is too farfetched, and I wouldn't be that surprised if it played out that way if done well.

After my second viewing I had myself convinced he did just that. Even the way Snoke berates Ren about his mask and how much he's failed seems like he's just pushing him to do it.
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« Reply #286 on: January 03, 2018, 10:07:51 AM »
I hadn't really thought about him orchestrating his own death or anything like that, but it's not a bad theory.  While I'm still leaning toward him being gone, I don't think a theory like that is too farfetched, and I wouldn't be that surprised if it played out that way if done well.

After my second viewing I had myself convinced he did just that. Even the way Snoke berates Ren about his mask and how much he's failed seems like he's just pushing him to do it.

Yeah, that all makes sense.  And if that is the case, I could see it from a couple of different perspectives.  He sees both Kylo and Rey as being VERY powerful, and perhaps sees the "threat" of a more general awakening where other powerful force users are out there as well.  Along these lines, his "and the light rises to meet it" comment may be more generally prophetic.  It may be that he needed to "die" and be reborn in order to, essentially "level up" himself.  It may also be that he needed to push Kylo to take some drastic act, like "killing" his master, for Kylo to take the next step.  Or he may simply have seen that Kylo was too divided in himself to be useful, and so he forced the issue (no pun intended).  I'm not discounting at all that something like that could play out in the next installment.  And it could set Snoke up as the perpetual baddie indefinitely, if they chose to go that route.
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« Reply #287 on: January 03, 2018, 01:04:22 PM »
I think the biggest hint that Snoke may not be dead after all, is the fact that the force link still exists between Rey and Ren in the end. Wouldn't it disappear, if he's dead. Maybe he is using the force link as a backup plan, to somehow sustain himself in the link between Rey and Ren after his death?

Anyway that is just me spitballing. I'm perfectly fine if he doesn't return. He served his purpose..

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« Reply #288 on: January 03, 2018, 01:32:32 PM »
I think the biggest hint that Snoke may not be dead after all, is the fact that the force link still exists between Rey and Ren in the end. Wouldn't it disappear, if he's dead. Maybe he is using the force link as a backup plan, to somehow sustain himself in the link between Rey and Ren after his death?

Anyway that is just me spitballing. I'm perfectly fine if he doesn't return. He served his purpose..

I can't get past his extremely disfigured and what still looks to be actively decaying body as well? As if, he's long been technically dead and he's really just a Force Ghost going all 'Weekend at Bernies' with that body already anyway?
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« Reply #289 on: January 03, 2018, 03:54:34 PM »
 Just an idea I had half the top of my head that has absolutely no basis in anything at all....

 What if Snoke WAS the dark side? The living embodiment of the dark side of the force that finds a new host every time on the old host dies. That is why the cycle must continue.  The apprentice inherits the fullness of the dark side upon killing his master. Everyone else up til now has just been an imitation...the sith just a training ground...and we’re only just now being introduced to the source.
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« Reply #290 on: January 03, 2018, 06:11:15 PM »
I want Episode IX to start out with Rey waking up, still on ahch to, and she hears the shower running. When she opens up the door, Luke is standing there alive and is like "ready to go take on Snoke and Kylo together?"  Dallas style baby  :biggrin:
 


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« Reply #291 on: January 04, 2018, 01:41:52 AM »
So I just saw the movie for the first time tonight, and it was Awesome!!! My favorite since Return of the Jedi, a few little quirks but that's ok. I'll post a more detailed review later, but as for now,, REST, rest I need!
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« Reply #292 on: January 04, 2018, 03:57:30 AM »
I thought it was 70% garbage and 30% the greatest star wars movie ever made. So it pretty much evened out to "pretty good" for me.
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« Reply #293 on: January 04, 2018, 02:41:21 PM »
My only minor complaints,  MILK,, Casino,, and the ending with Luke but wasn't terrible. At least he went on in a blaze of glory unlike Han Solo. The Han Solo we know wouldn't have fallen for that trick like he did in The Force Awakens.
 The Last Jedi was a great experience in the theater, lots of action and cool space scenes. I just don't know how the people on those big ships survive after coming to a sudden stop out of hyper-space, lol!
The lack of physics are ok because movies like this are supposed to be fun.
There are alot of Empre Strikes back similarities. The resistance taking refuge on a strange planet in a mountain with imperial walkers showing up. Ren trying get Rey to join forces with him to rule the galaxy like Vader did With Luke. Rey getting training in a remote area, kind of like Luke did with Yoda. The resistance fleeing from The first order in a big spaceship Chase with no Death Star like battle station in the picture.
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« Reply #294 on: January 04, 2018, 04:00:01 PM »
The Han Solo we know wouldn't have fallen for that trick like he did in The Force Awakens.

He didn't fall for anything. He knew his son was going to kill him. Watch every interaction between he an Leah when they talk about their son and Leah is insisting that 'he's still good' and for Han to 'bring him home'. His face says it all. He knows it's a done deal that Kylo is going to kill him. He even pauses a moment prior to calling Ben's name out and walking out onto that walkway. The ONLY reason he did so was because of his love for Leah....not because he loved his son.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #295 on: January 04, 2018, 04:32:31 PM »
I think not explaining Snoke was kind of a direct little middle finger to all the theorists out there and everyone still thinking there's some secret Snoke plot is giving the writers a bit too much credit. He's done and forgotten. Maybe he'll be in a flashback, but I'll be amazed if they do anything meaningful with him in the next movie.

I've listened to a couple of interviews with Rian Johnson where he discusses spoilers in the film. It's clear that, even if you vehemently disagree with what he did, he didn't make any choices with malicious intent. He carefully thought everything through and did what he genuinely felt was best for the franchise.

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« Reply #296 on: January 05, 2018, 06:05:55 AM »
The ONLY reason he did so was because of his love for Leah....not because he loved his son.
See I interpreted it as love for Ben which made him have to give it one last shot to try and save him. I agree he knew he would likely be killed, but being a father he had to try and save his son. His love for Leia certainly helped push him to do what he did.

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« Reply #297 on: January 05, 2018, 06:10:28 AM »
The ONLY reason he did so was because of his love for Leah....not because he loved his son.
See I interpreted it as love for Ben which made him have to give it one last shot to try and save him. I agree he knew he would likely be killed, but being a father he had to try and save his son. His love for Leia certainly helped push him to do what he did.

Bingo.  Leah convinced him there was a small chance, so Han had to try.  Any (good) father would do this.
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« Reply #298 on: January 05, 2018, 06:27:54 AM »
The ONLY reason he did so was because of his love for Leah....not because he loved his son.
See I interpreted it as love for Ben which made him have to give it one last shot to try and save him. I agree he knew he would likely be killed, but being a father he had to try and save his son. His love for Leia certainly helped push him to do what he did.

Bingo.  Leah convinced him there was a small chance, so Han had to try.  Any (good) father would do this.

It most likely was a mixture of both, but he knew he was gonna he killed by him. Hans expressions in each of the three instances he and Leah spoke about it said it all. Which is why I don’t think he was tricked or fell for anything.
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« Reply #299 on: January 05, 2018, 06:48:36 AM »
Can we just establish once and for all that her name is ’Leia’?

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« Reply #300 on: January 05, 2018, 07:12:50 AM »
1.  He wasn't "tricked"
2.  It's "Leia"
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« Reply #301 on: January 05, 2018, 08:12:19 AM »
So, for Snoke to connect rey's mind to Kylo's, would he need to know where she is or at least sense her presence in some location? Which in that case he knows where she and luke are at, so they could just go there?

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« Reply #302 on: January 05, 2018, 08:20:38 AM »
On a semi-related note: During my second viewing of the film, I noticed that Kylo says, "You're not doing this. The effort alone would kill you" the first time he and Rey connect. Later in the film, the effort does indeed kill Luke when he projects himself. I feel like TLJ has a lot of little nuggets like that, which is cool.
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« Reply #303 on: January 05, 2018, 08:24:52 AM »
So, for Snoke to connect rey's mind to Kylo's, would he need to know where she is or at least sense her presence in some location? Which in that case he knows where she and luke are at, so they could just go there?
I doubt it.  But I think you're probably overthinking it.
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« Reply #304 on: January 05, 2018, 08:40:47 AM »
On a semi-related note: During my second viewing of the film, I noticed that Kylo says, "You're not doing this. The effort alone would kill you" the first time he and Rey connect. Later in the film, the effort does indeed kill Luke when he projects himself. I feel like TLJ has a lot of little nuggets like that, which is cool.

Yeah that was clearly set up for the finale.

Additionally, during one of the scenes with Snoke, don’t remember which one, the score most definetely plays the emperor’s theme.

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« Reply #305 on: January 05, 2018, 01:12:04 PM »
The ONLY reason he did so was because of his love for Leah....not because he loved his son.
See I interpreted it as love for Ben which made him have to give it one last shot to try and save him. I agree he knew he would likely be killed, but being a father he had to try and save his son. His love for Leia certainly helped push him to do what he did.

Bingo.  Leah convinced him there was a small chance, so Han had to try.  Any (good) father would do this.
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« Reply #306 on: January 05, 2018, 03:11:26 PM »
On a semi-related note: During my second viewing of the film, I noticed that Kylo says, "You're not doing this. The effort alone would kill you" the first time he and Rey connect. Later in the film, the effort does indeed kill Luke when he projects himself. I feel like TLJ has a lot of little nuggets like that, which is cool.

Yeah that was clearly set up for the finale.

Man I didn't catch that. That's really cool. I wish they would've brought more attention to that. Awesome setup.

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« Reply #307 on: January 06, 2018, 02:48:20 AM »
So, I thought The Last Jedi was awesome, and I honestly haven't seen one material complaint that doesn't also apply to the original trilogy. I'm not saying there's any reason that everyone should love or even like it, just that the specific complaints that some people are making a huge deal over are nothing remotely new for the franchise.

Think this is probably my second favourite SW film behind Empire.

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« Reply #308 on: January 06, 2018, 06:43:12 AM »
So, I thought The Last Jedi was awesome, and I honestly haven't seen one material complaint that doesn't also apply to the original trilogy. I'm not saying there's any reason that everyone should love or even like it, just that the specific complaints that some people are making a huge deal over are nothing remotely new for the franchise.

I agree! Saw it this morning, after having watched the original trilogy in the past week. It was a very fun ride and an enjoyable watch. Definitely, some things seem (very) far-fetched, but nothing that stood between me and the enjoyment of the whole. Favourite moment of the film (apart from the gorgeous aftershots of the light-speed ramming); the Millenium Falcon coming in to shoot down the TIEs on the salt-planet. I saw it coming, it was ridiculously predictable, but it worked out wonderfully.

(By the way, how did Rey get on the Falcon anyway? If we're going to nitpick things..)
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« Reply #309 on: January 06, 2018, 08:49:23 AM »
So, I thought The Last Jedi was awesome, and I honestly haven't seen one material complaint that doesn't also apply to the original trilogy. I'm not saying there's any reason that everyone should love or even like it, just that the specific complaints that some people are making a huge deal over are nothing remotely new for the franchise.

I agree! Saw it this morning, after having watched the original trilogy in the past week. It was a very fun ride and an enjoyable watch. Definitely, some things seem (very) far-fetched, but nothing that stood between me and the enjoyment of the whole. Favourite moment of the film (apart from the gorgeous aftershots of the light-speed ramming); the Millenium Falcon coming in to shoot down the TIEs on the salt-planet. I saw it coming, it was ridiculously predictable, but it worked out wonderfully.

(By the way, how did Rey get on the Falcon anyway? If we're going to nitpick things..)
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But again, it is a great SW movie!

(By the way, how did Rey get on the Falcon anyway? If we're going to nitpick things..)

During the chaos when the cruiser hit Snoke's flagship at warp speed, she stole Snoke's escape craft and rendezvoused with Chewie and the Falcon. Seemed pretty clear to me..
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« Reply #310 on: January 06, 2018, 09:10:41 AM »
(By the way, how did Rey get on the Falcon anyway? If we're going to nitpick things..)

During the chaos when the cruiser hit Snoke's flagship at warp speed, she stole Snoke's escape craft and rendezvoused with Chewie and the Falcon. Seemed pretty clear to me..

Right, it's subtle but I had missed that and several other things on the first watch. Chewie basically comes back to the same spot and she back gets on board the ship via the escape pod from Snoke's throne room.

I definitely want to watch it one more time in the theater before it leaves. I definitely love it more each time I watch it and keep discovering other things.
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« Reply #311 on: January 06, 2018, 02:52:27 PM »
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But does it show her getting back on the Falcon in the film? I can’t remember seeing that.

Truth be told, I am nitpicking here. There’s a whole lot of more stuff that I could go on about that was far-fetched or downright unbelievable. It was a good film to watch and I enjoyed it a lot.
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« Reply #312 on: January 06, 2018, 02:58:03 PM »
So, I thought The Last Jedi was awesome, and I honestly haven't seen one material complaint that doesn't also apply to the original trilogy. I'm not saying there's any reason that everyone should love or even like it, just that the specific complaints that some people are making a huge deal over are nothing remotely new for the franchise.

Think this is probably my second favourite SW film behind Empire.

I disagree with this as a blanket statement. Some of the complaints? For sure! But I can't think of any of the original films where an entire elongated subplot amounted to virtually nothing and could have been completely cut out without much consequence.
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« Reply #313 on: January 06, 2018, 03:13:33 PM »
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But does it show her getting back on the Falcon in the film? I can’t remember seeing that.

No, she tells Chewie to drop her off and go to the ”rendezvous point” I think, which is all we get as explanation for how they later meet up. Which is enough for me.

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« Reply #314 on: January 07, 2018, 02:15:58 AM »
So, I thought The Last Jedi was awesome, and I honestly haven't seen one material complaint that doesn't also apply to the original trilogy. I'm not saying there's any reason that everyone should love or even like it, just that the specific complaints that some people are making a huge deal over are nothing remotely new for the franchise.

Think this is probably my second favourite SW film behind Empire.

I disagree with this as a blanket statement. Some of the complaints? For sure! But I can't think of any of the original films where an entire elongated subplot amounted to virtually nothing and could have been completely cut out without much consequence.

Without much consequence? The way the casino/codebreaker plot line played out had huge consequences on pretty much everything in the last hour of the film. If it hadn't gone down that way, the First Order wouldn't have found out about the hidden shuttles escaping to that planet, they'd have simply destroyed the main ship unaware that it only had one person on it, and then pissed off with dreadnought fully in tact. Meanwhile the resistance would have all made it down to the planet and set up in the rebel base. No epic battle. Luke wouldn't have needed to project himself across the galaxy, so would still be alive. Rey's journey would have played out differently.

If by "amounted to nothing" you essentially mean it was unsuccessful for the protagonists, then yes there's plenty of that in the original trilogy. Han and Leia's entire plot line in Empire Strikes Back, for example.

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