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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #140 on: December 19, 2017, 01:59:28 PM »
Interesting.  Hadn't picked up on this from Rogue One:

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« Reply #141 on: December 19, 2017, 02:43:07 PM »
Interesting.  Hadn't picked up on this from Rogue One:

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In Rogue One, when Jyn Erso is looking for plans to the Death Star on the Empire’s massive database on Scarif, she mentions a few other top-secret developments the Empire’s scientists and engineers are working on. Among them? Hyperspace tracking.

That is interesting. You’d think that if they went to the trouble of planning details like this, and having them follow through to subsequent movies, then there must have been at least a high level plan for the story arc for the whole sequel trilogy.

I found this review. I think it’s pretty balanced and I can agree with a lot of it:

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2017/12/spoiler-review-star-wars-the-last-jedi-this-didnt-go-the-way-we-thought.html

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« Reply #142 on: December 19, 2017, 10:08:21 PM »
regarding if Kylo Ren was telling the truth about Rey's parents:  If they were truly nobodies, how would he even know that/who they were?
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« Reply #143 on: December 19, 2017, 10:11:29 PM »
regarding if Kylo Ren was telling the truth about Rey's parents:  If they were truly nobodies, how would he even know that/who they were?

I dunno. The force? Maybe he saw the memories that she can't recall. Who knows.

So I was watching the Red Letter Media review and they asked a good question. Where is there left to go next?

Other than good guy fight bad guy, what are they going to do that this movie dealt with? I mean, I guess they can keep up the whole "everybody can use the force" thing, but I don't see where any of the characters are actually going besides Rey fights Kylo.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #144 on: December 19, 2017, 10:18:14 PM »
just thought of something.  We've already seen the first Order/Resistance chase before:



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« Reply #145 on: December 19, 2017, 10:36:04 PM »
Just saw it again, this time in the bright shiny new IMAX theater that just opened last Thursday. For sure a better experience and the way to see it in my opinion (I loathe 3D). My feelings on the movie remain the same, there are still the same wtf moments, and the whole casino planet arc is still stupid, but man, the three main sequences (opening battle, the sequence surrounding Snoke's death, and the salt planet sequence) were even better this time around. In that they nailed, for me at least, the spirit of Star Wars.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #146 on: December 20, 2017, 04:55:34 AM »
Interesting.  Hadn't picked up on this from Rogue One:

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In Rogue One, when Jyn Erso is looking for plans to the Death Star on the Empire’s massive database on Scarif, she mentions a few other top-secret developments the Empire’s scientists and engineers are working on. Among them? Hyperspace tracking.

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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #147 on: December 20, 2017, 01:59:08 PM »
Two continuity errors I was thinking about:

1.) In the moment that Rey sees Kylo Ren shirtless......he has no visible laser wound on his side where Chewbacca shot him? I'm guessing it's been what, a matter of three or four days....a week? Maybe he's been healed like his face was but it's never specifically addressed. In TFA they made a point to show how powerful Chewie's crossbow laser gun was...then him get shot and blood was oozing out onto the snow. Not a mention of that wound in TLJ

2.) Luke walks out to the line of Imperial Walkers.....takes an onslaught of blasts then it's over....he's fine....shakes it off but that was a ton of shots that tore up the area. The next scene Finn is dragging Rose through the opening of the blast door. Wouldn't Finn have been in the line of fire or at least near the debris field of all those shots?
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #148 on: December 20, 2017, 02:35:49 PM »
Oh, wow.  Hadn't thought about the first one, but that's actually a pretty major oversight.  On the second one, not sure if that is an error or not.  I'll have to see that sequence again.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #149 on: December 20, 2017, 03:31:50 PM »
I did notice Ren had the one round scar on his left shoulder...or maybe the scar from Chewie's shot was below his waistline, his pants were riding hella high in that scene.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #150 on: December 20, 2017, 04:21:04 PM »
I did notice Ren had the one round scar on his left shoulder...or maybe the scar from Chewie's shot was below his waistline, his pants were riding hella high in that scene.

he pants were very high, so that's an easy explanation of that. I assume it's been weeks since that incident, not just days but there's no way to know for sure.

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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #151 on: December 20, 2017, 09:58:33 PM »
Two continuity errors I was thinking about:

1.) In the moment that Rey sees Kylo Ren shirtless......he has no visible laser wound on his side where Chewbacca shot him? I'm guessing it's been what, a matter of three or four days....a week? Maybe he's been healed like his face was but it's never specifically addressed. In TFA they made a point to show how powerful Chewie's crossbow laser gun was...then him get shot and blood was oozing out onto the snow. Not a mention of that wound in TLJ

2.) Luke walks out to the line of Imperial Walkers.....takes an onslaught of blasts then it's over....he's fine....shakes it off but that was a ton of shots that tore up the area. The next scene Finn is dragging Rose through the opening of the blast door. Wouldn't Finn have been in the line of fire or at least near the debris field of all those shots?

I would definitely assume he healed the shot wound first since it was kinda life threatening, then we saw he got interrupted while healing the less crucial face one. It would have been nice to see some of that on screen though, just to strengthen that connection with Rey from the last movie and justify Kylo's state of mind a bit more.
The second point annoyed me a little bit while watching it. Finn would have been dragging Rose towards the entrance the whole time, and the close timing seemed like he'd have been in some danger. I think they just wanted us to overlook that one.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #152 on: December 21, 2017, 01:38:06 AM »
Calling all rankers...

Great.
1. A New Hope.
2. The Force Awakens.
3. Empire Strikes Back.
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Good.
4. Return of the Jedi.
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Decent.
5. The Last Jedi
6. Rogue One.
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Watchable.
7. Revenge of the Sith.
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Trash.
8/9 The Phantom Binks/Attack of the Sand.   (Only watched these movies once each).



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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #153 on: December 21, 2017, 01:48:54 AM »
Great.
1. Empire
2. New Hope
3. Rogue One

Good
1. Return of the Jedi
2. The Force Awakens
3. The Last Jedi

Prequels
1. Phantom Menace
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. Attack of the Clones
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #154 on: December 21, 2017, 02:20:57 AM »
Classic.
1. Empire
2. New Hope

Good.
1. Return of the Jedi
2. The Last Jedi
3. Force Awakens

Decent.
1. Rogue One

Passable.
1. Revenge of the Sith

Dumpster Fire.
1. Phantom Menace
2. Attack of the Clones


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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #155 on: December 21, 2017, 06:41:46 AM »
Excellent
1. Empire
2. New Hope
3. Force Awakens

Good
4. Return of the Jedi

Meh
5. The Last Jedi

Not good
6. Rogue One
7. Revenge of the Sith

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8. Phantom Menace
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #156 on: December 21, 2017, 08:36:43 AM »
Saw it last night and while I definitely enjoyed it, there were some issues that I had with it that really make it hard for me to really enjoy the movie as much as I think I could have.  Specifically the actors and acting.  I don't think any of the new characters were interesting and fun to watch.  At all.  I still think Kylo Ren looks ridiculous (especially the scene with his shirt off which felt really out of place) and his acting is cringe worthy, but it was really the newer characters that I had to just sigh throughout the movie watching.  This episode felt just as cheesy as the prequal trilogy with some really dumb humor and poor acting.  Also this excessive use of the force is kind of leaving me with the feeling the movie has gone too far.  I guess anything can happen if Leia can survive after being frozen in space.  I did think the storyline otherwise was fine and very star wars esque.  Mostly felt right even if the chase was really slow and plodding, but I had no issues with the side missions and the similar Empire Strikes Back Yoda/Luke and Rey/Luke similarities (and there were other similarities).  The action sequences were really fun and I had no issues with the ending.  Sadly, Mark Hamill seemed to be by far the best actor in this new trilogy and we didn't get enough of him though.

My rankings (of course subject to change as I see the movie again at some point and maybe my views change):

Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Syth
The Last Jedi
Phantom Menace
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #157 on: December 21, 2017, 08:47:20 AM »
Rankings....


Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Rogue One
Empire Strikes Back
The Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
The Force Awakens







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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #158 on: December 21, 2017, 09:04:39 AM »
I'm still giddy about the movie and willing to overlook its flaws.  Hard to say at this stage whether that will hold up and I will continue to hold the movie in such high regard down the road, or if I will end up feeling like it just wasn't well done.  Right now, I just really like it and feel like it was a great story with some parts that were well done, some parts that weren't, and some parts in between.  And I can say that about a LOT of movies that I like a lot.

I do want to come back to the Leia thing for just a second though, because something occurs to me.  I have heard that, as much as VII was Han's movie, and VIII was Luke's movie, the plan was for IX to be Leia's movie.  If that is true, maybe part of the plan was for her to be revealed to be much more in tune with the force than we had previously realized and much more than had previously been revealed, and her space walk was something that was supposed to help set that up?  And if that is the case, her untimely and obviously unanticipated passing away AFTER they had the entire film shot would have made it really difficult and impractical to remove that.  But if there was indeed some sort of planned context for it that actually would have made it have a big, more satisfying payoff later, I can be a bit more forgiving of what I think most of us would consider the biggest (or at least one of the two biggest) flaws in this film.  Yeah, even if it was planned to set up something rewarding later, it's still a silly and awkward scene that could have been done any number of ways to reduce or eliminate the silliness/awkwardness.  But still, it may have at least had a grander purpose than we realize.  Just speculating here.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #159 on: December 21, 2017, 09:18:07 AM »
I'm still giddy about the movie and willing to overlook its flaws.  Hard to say at this stage whether that will hold up and I will continue to hold the movie in such high regard down the road, or if I will end up feeling like it just wasn't well done.  Right now, I just really like it and feel like it was a great story with some parts that were well done, some parts that weren't, and some parts in between.  And I can say that about a LOT of movies that I like a lot.

Yeah....this statement fits me as well. As I said the first time I saw it I was just bummed because 'I' had this idea of how Luke's story should go. I really anticipated this massive fight scene with him just light saber fighting a ton of people and kicking a$$. When that didn't happen I was so distracted and upset I didn't enjoy or even try to understand how they used him in the story.

Second viewing changed it all for me and I can overlook the Leah deal and the casino run....even the moments when the humor fell flat. I thought it was a beautiful 'end' to Luke's story (although I can't imagine he doesn't show back up as a Force Ghost at some point next film) and it used his legend and never before seen Jedi power perfectly to rekindle the rebellion.

But this movie is certainly a divider of SW fans. And, I don't think it's going to reach the $2 billion mark which will probably tick Disney off a bit.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #160 on: December 21, 2017, 12:28:09 PM »
My current ranking would be:

Empire
A New Hope
Return of The Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones

I’m not going to attempt to slot TLJ in until after a second viewing. At this point I’m thinking it was worse than TFA, but is it worse than any of the prequels? Will see after Saturday.

Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Syth
The Last Jedi
Phantom Menace
Rogue One
Attack of the Clones

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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #161 on: December 21, 2017, 12:36:19 PM »
Yea, thought it was boring and had really uninteresting characters that I really didn't care at all about when they died.  Looked well made and had an awesome ending with Vader, but I actually fell asleep in the theater for a few minutes cause I was so uninterested, plus you knew the ending so it was all just meh.  I did debate internally about putting it above Phantom Menace though, but I actually enjoyed my first watch of that movie on some level, I really didn't care for RO at all at the end of the day.

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« Reply #162 on: December 21, 2017, 12:42:04 PM »
I feel like it's too early, but after I saw TLJ last Saturday, I immediately said, "That may be the best one yet."  I still feel that way, but I know I could very well lose interest and feel it doesn't age well as time goes by.  I really like what has been done since Disney took over, but I am REALLY expecting to not like Solo.  Then again, I fully expected to not like Rogue One either.  Anyhow, I guess my rankings at this moment would be:

The Last Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace
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« Reply #163 on: December 21, 2017, 01:00:00 PM »
Fair comment about Rogue One, cram. It definitely had it’s ropey parts. Slow start, characters like Saw weren’t really fleshed out, some of the Vader dialogue was a bit strange and forced, but I thought the crescendo to the end of the movie redeemed it.

I’m wondering what it would be like to go back in time to 77/80/83 and view the original movies for the first time, but with my current 42 year old self’s eyes. What would I think of them? Would I see plot holes and undeveloped characters, and all that, or would I just get swept along for the ride?

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« Reply #164 on: December 21, 2017, 01:12:55 PM »
Yea, I think that's a good question.  Also, let those movies sit for 30 years too.  I only saw TLJ last night for the first time, maybe on future watches I realize I actually love it?  I definitely liked TFA more after my second watch. 

My coworker and I have talked a lot about TLJ today and he said "HBO has spoiled us" which got me thinking that it may be true.  Such awesome TV show productions have kind of leveled the playing field with big time movies.  HBO has had some really amazing acting as well. 

I'd like to also add that maybe my favorite new (well to in the latest trilogy) character is General Hux.  Him being trolled was a great scene.  But also his rivalry with Kylo is interesting to me.

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« Reply #165 on: December 21, 2017, 01:43:37 PM »
Yea, I think that's a good question.  Also, let those movies sit for 30 years too.  I only saw TLJ last night for the first time, maybe on future watches I realize I actually love it?  I definitely liked TFA more after my second watch. 

I've recently re-watched the OT, and I still love them. BUT...when you take a step back and try to separate the emotional connection and view them just as critically as TFA and TLJ have been viewed.....they have plenty of issues as well. It's just they are forgiven due to the fact the majority of us were very young and were just captivated by the story and all the cool stuff to where we overlooked things like Luke/Leah/Han being in some weird love triangle in ANH then suddenly Luke and Leah are siblings?

I hadn't watched TFA in probably a year prior to re-watching it a couple weeks ago and it aged well and I enjoyed it greatly. I'll probably go see TLJ two more times in the theaters....once in IMAX and probably take the kiddos to see it again and I can see myself enjoying it more each time.



My coworker and I have talked a lot about TLJ today and he said "HBO has spoiled us" which got me thinking that it may be true.  Such awesome TV show productions have kind of leveled the playing field with big time movies.  HBO has had some really amazing acting as well. 

It's not just HBO...there's a lot of great series/movies out there. NETFLIX, AMAZON....have great shows.....shoot 'Mr. Robot' on USA could possibly be the best show on air right now. Vikings on History channel....and I'm sure there are dozens others that are just Really Good. So many outlets for people to tell amazing stories....very spoiled.
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« Reply #166 on: December 21, 2017, 02:03:53 PM »
Yea, I think that's a good question.  Also, let those movies sit for 30 years too.  I only saw TLJ last night for the first time, maybe on future watches I realize I actually love it?  I definitely liked TFA more after my second watch. 

I've recently re-watched the OT, and I still love them. BUT...when you take a step back and try to separate the emotional connection and view them just as critically as TFA and TLJ have been viewed.....they have plenty of issues as well. It's just they are forgiven due to the fact the majority of us were very young and were just captivated by the story and all the cool stuff to where we overlooked things like Luke/Leah/Han being in some weird love triangle in ANH then suddenly Luke and Leah are siblings?

Well, and context matters as well.  We forgive a lot in ANH because nobody was doing sci-fi when it came out.  We've had a LOT of good sci-fi in the 40 years since then that we can now (unfairly) compare it to.
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« Reply #167 on: December 21, 2017, 02:25:22 PM »
For me, I didn't even see the original trilogy until they released the newer editted versions in the theaters.  So for me, and I imagine other younger people, they OT was still watched up against other newer sci-fi classics.  For me, the OT was still really awesome.

My friend was saying that maybe my view of the attempt at comedy was a bit too much as maybe the SW audience is a bit younger.  I'm not sure I buy that.  There wasn't anyone laughing in my theater (packed last night) and I can't say if a younger version of myself would have found it funny.  Having said that, I did really enjoy the couple who oversaw the Jedi island and also the one shot of the iron that looked like it could have been a ship landing.  I thought those were good thought out comedic moments, the rest of the one liners were otherwise terribly not funny.

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« Reply #168 on: December 21, 2017, 02:33:13 PM »
The only slight spoiler I had going in (aside from the trailers themselves) was that I had heard the tone was very different from prior films, and that that was attributable to the humor.  That really made me nervous.  I was pleasantly surprised that I liked the humor.  I can't think of any jokes/humor that missed, unless you count the milk scene as "humor."  Well, actually, as I type this, there were also a few moments of slapstick humor on Canto Bight in the casino that didn't work for me.  But I thought that those slapstick bits were actually very consistent with what Lucas gave us in ROTJ and the PT films, so I felt they were easy to overlook as just part of the SW universe anyway.  I was fine with that aspect of the film and actively enjoyed a good deal of it.
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« Reply #169 on: December 21, 2017, 02:52:02 PM »
But I thought that those slapstick bits were actually very consistent with what Lucas gave us in ROTJ and the PT films, so I felt they were easy to overlook as just part of the SW universe anyway.  I was fine with that aspect of the film and actively enjoyed a good deal of it.

I agree with that too, and that's a big part of the PT that I didn't like either.  Which really I guess just comes down to execution for me.  There was nothing inherently wrong with it, it just didn't work out for my tastes, and I kind of felt most of the movie went that way. 

A lot of people didn't like some of the plots of Luke's character (Mark Hamill himself didn't like it I read today) but none of that really bothered me.  I actually kind of dug the story in this one.  Luke, to me, had one of the most interesting storylines in this episode and actually had a arc fleshed out from beginning to end of the movie.  I liked that.  It may have not been totally within the character that Lucas created in the OT, but I do think it did work.

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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #170 on: December 21, 2017, 04:24:35 PM »
Mark hamil's thoughts on Luke in TLJ:

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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #171 on: December 21, 2017, 04:45:42 PM »
Mark hamil's thoughts on Luke in TLJ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIY-PsHrj9A

I had read those comments, but hadn't seen the clip.  A couple of thoughts:

First, he isn't really saying what some of the headlines of articles that quote parts of that say that he is saying.  He isn't saying he "hates" the new film.  It's more that the interpretation of Luke's character in this trilogy is so different than what he thought the character should be that it was (and still is) having difficulty wrapping his mind around how the same Luke could have arrived at the mindset we find him in in TLJ.

Second, notwithstanding that he played the character of Luke Skywalker and, as such, had to internalize the character and come up with his own deep understanding of what motivated Luke, he is wrong that that same Luke couldn't have, 30 years later, become THIS Luke.  The motivation is there by the backstory given by Abrams and Johnson, and if he doesn't understand that, he doesn't really understand human nature.  If he disagrees that Luke wouldn't have arrived at that mindset, that's cool.  But he can't really disagree that Luke couldn't have arrived there.

Third, again, despite the fact that he WAS Luke, Mark Hammill is, at the end of the day (1) just an actor and not the creative vision behind the character, and (2) just kind of is and always has been a bit odd in the way he thinks about things.  If you go back and read/watch interviews through the years, he always has been.  And he disagreed with and was outspoken about a lot of Lucas' vision of the character as well, which he seems to have forgotten. 

So, at the end of the day, his opinion does mean something.  But it doesn't mean a lot.  If anything, the job he did with Luke in this film, both in terms of quality and in terms of him being able to pull it off despite apparently serious misgivings, shows that his acting chops have grown quite a bit. 

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On a completely different note, this is infuriating:

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One big question writer/direct Rian Johnson left fans with was—again, spoiler warning—who is that Force-sensitive child at the end of the film? Predictably, there are already theories about the kid's identity and the role he may play in Episode IX.

Fan theories about who the kid is and what role he will play completely miss the point of Ep. VIII.  He is nobody.  And he will probably NOT show up again.  He doesn't need to.  That's the point.  If he shows up and is a significant character, that pretty much undermines one of the major themes of this film.   :facepalm:
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #172 on: December 21, 2017, 06:01:36 PM »
I loved The Last Jedi, and I am a huge Star Wars fan. I do not get the outrage about the movie at all. The flaws in the movie is nothing worse than any flaws in any of the other movies - they've always been movies that we loved BECAUSE of the silly stuff ;)

Here's an interesting article going through a bit of what the series was originally supposed to be like:

http://www.gamesradar.com/the-secret-history-of-the-star-wars-movies-we-never-got-to-see-and-one-that-could-still-happen/
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #173 on: December 22, 2017, 01:43:09 AM »
I'm not putting spoiler warnings because if you're in here not expecting spoilers, you deserve to be spoiled; that said I won't be saying anything totally abrupt and obvious. Saw it, I enjoyed it. I'm not into SW much, and thus this is through the eyes of someone that quite literally saw it because it was a good date night and there was nothing else out that looked remotely up my ally. So pretty much like every other SW movie I've seen.

So things that stood out to me as someone viewing the series as such, the EXTREMELY Marvel-esque comedy routine jumped right out at me, some in a great way, but most in a "eh, reaching" way. Nothing that was as cringe inducing as many describe but noticeable nonetheless. Also very surprised they killed off two very (one seemingly, one obviously) important characters in a fairly quick fashion (maybe?). It was awesome seeing the OG shorty master and I thought the way they portrayed him was really perfect; the scene was really touching and introspective (par the course for his scenes) and it was to the point and didn't have too much fan service.

Overall I thought it was really fun. Definitely had some of the greatest sci/fi aerial battle scenes I've ever seen, that initial dreadnaught scene with Poe was just awesome and really set the tone for the action. It's really funny seeing so many people rage like temperamental teens over this though (hardly read the thread at all so I'm not talking about anyone here), and makes me think about series that I care about just as much that I may overreact to or may be jaded and blind to towards certain aspects. Because it's very obvious some people had and held expectations that were never going to be met. That's clear with most hardcore fans of anything, but it truly seems like SW fans just take that shit and get as serious as a fucking heroine addiction with it. And meth. And cocaine. And alcohol. And skooma. Fucking psychos, some of you bastards.  :lol :-*

(Seriously though, I've felt the same, it's just funny being on the outside for once; that doesn't happen all that often with me)

Ed: Going through some previous comments. If I had any thoughts on Luke, it'd probably be what Bosk has said. I can see why fans would be confused/angry over his extreme turn in the movie. I can also see how they are abso-fucking-lutely letting their own fantasy of what the character "should" be to them get in the way of what was actually shown in the movies. When you like something so much that it becomes more than just a "whatever" (game/movie/book/song), you fantasize about it and in a way make it your own, tailor it to your own self. Which can be great, but it can also lose what is actually there somewhere along the line. A whole hell of a lot of people had theories that were pulled straight from the very depths of people's asses.

Speaking as someone who has seen the movies a few times and other than playing KOTOR, has no other SW knowledge, I thought the turn was surprising but also could be followed very logically and realistic. The whole problem with it is that we have no info other than the extremely short bursts of backstory we get in the movie itself. There was no easing and transition. Last we saw Luke, he was the shining poster boy for all things Light. Then we're thrown into the current film and he is a totally different character. That'd be jarring for any character and with that much of a time skip. No one in the world, however big a fan, can really say jack about any character change when there is that much of a gap in time and that little info about said change. With what he said in the movie and what crumbs they gave us, it all fits together about as nicely as it can considering that. What's funny is that so many of the people protesting such change always refer back to fantasy scenarios with what Luke "should've" been or what Luke "would've" done, yadda yadda. Again, idealistic thoughts for what they want the character to be. There's really nothing to cite other than...well, the originals, and who the hell can accurately compare a young adult to an old man and with the info of what amounts to a few fleeting moments say "yes, I understand how he became who he is today". Nobody.

Ed ed: Wow I wrote a lot more than I thought I would. Well the movie got me to speak more about SW than I ever have before soooo...  :tup :tup :lol
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #174 on: December 22, 2017, 03:51:10 AM »
1.) In the moment that Rey sees Kylo Ren shirtless......he has no visible laser wound on his side where Chewbacca shot him? I'm guessing it's been what, a matter of three or four days....a week?

Whilst TLJ essentially picks up straight where TFA left off, the amount of time Rey actually spends on the island with Luke is unspecified movie time and we don't know when the opening of the film is in relation to Rey's time on the island... they don't put captions up on the screen in Star Wars films saying things like "Three months earlier", so we have to take an (un)educated guess.

Anyway. I'd have to watch the scene when he gets shot again and compare it to the shirtless scene to see if the impact point should actually be visible.