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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2017, 02:13:11 PM »
A buddy of mine brought up that in some of the EU, Luke became so powerful he was able to travel throughout the galaxy without a spaceship. I wonder if that Leia scene was a nod to that. Rian Johnson definitely followed all that EU, or Legends

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« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2017, 03:10:36 PM »
So in a message to a friend this was my view on Luke's arc (And my disappointment in it):

If his death had 'saved' Kylo Ren from going completely to the dark side or had done the same for Rey then that would've been something. Nothing Luke did in the movie changed the path Kylo or Rey were on. He didn't even really give Rey any training. He sat on his island, refused to really get involved, caused a distraction. Then drifts off like he's fulfilled some higher purpose. It was a really shit end to the whole arc of his character throughout the whole saga.

It's not a justifiable end to Luke's character for me. The more I think about it the more it annoys me. I just don't feel Luke really did enough in this film. That's my feeling anyway.

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« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2017, 04:21:02 PM »
I honestly don't have a huge issue with the ending and what happened to Luke....  But when I realize that The Force Awakens, the whole plot revolved around finding Luke and the map to Luke (which I assumed he left at least partially with R2 in case of emergency?) I just think WTF? Did he leave a map to himself, or did he really want to disappear? 

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« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2017, 05:16:16 PM »
I see Luke's "death" being similar to Obi Wan's. I can't imagine that he won't be back to help train Rey in 9 as a force ghost. I was fully expecting him to say "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" to Kylo when they were fighting before we realized he was a projection. I'm on the fence about whether that would have been a better end.

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« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2017, 05:33:52 PM »
I see Luke's "death" being similar to Obi Wan's. I can't imagine that he won't be back to help train Rey in 9 as a force ghost. I was fully expecting him to say "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" to Kylo when they were fighting before we realized he was a projection. I'm on the fence about whether that would have been a better end.

I thought about that as it was happening....but I’m glad they didn’t. With as much call back as this trilogy has had, I think that would have been over the line.
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« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2017, 09:10:48 PM »
Overall, I loved this film.  It could be my favorite of the bunch, although it still has its newness going for it and giving it a probably unfair advantage.  I stayed spoiler-free, but had just heard vague rumblings about it being very different and about the humor being maybe a bit too much for a SW film, so I did have a bit of trepidation and had lowered my expectations going in.  Maybe that helped, but this movie was a complete home run for me. 

As others have pointed out, if there are things I have to point out that bothered me a bit, they would be the Leia space scene and the casino planet diversion.  But the Leia scene was...I guess not too bad.  And the casino planet, while completely unnecessary in and of itself, had a satisfying payoff at the end of the film, so that was cool. 

One other thing that bugged me a bit, and that I have NOT seen discussed is this:  How did Benicio Del Toro's character know about the escaping ships?  He was with Fin and Rose the whole time, and neither of them were privy to that.  So how did he know?  Was that explained and I just missed it?
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2017, 09:29:06 PM »
So in a message to a friend this was my view on Luke's arc (And my disappointment in it):

If his death had 'saved' Kylo Ren from going completely to the dark side or had done the same for Rey then that would've been something. Nothing Luke did in the movie changed the path Kylo or Rey were on. He didn't even really give Rey any training. He sat on his island, refused to really get involved, caused a distraction. Then drifts off like he's fulfilled some higher purpose. It was a really shit end to the whole arc of his character throughout the whole saga.

It's not a justifiable end to Luke's character for me. The more I think about it the more it annoys me. I just don't feel Luke really did enough in this film. That's my feeling anyway.

He sacrificed himself to save the resistance when they were about to be wiped out (never mind that the entire resistance after all this time is that small but whatever), also saving his sister. I also wish he did more in his final outing, but I don't mind how he went so much.

A lot of characters were under-used in this movie. Chewbacca did nothing much, C3PO and R2D2 were nothing but fan service (not too different to Rogue One or TFA). I think they've got too many characters.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2017, 09:39:27 PM »
One other thing that bugged me a bit, and that I have NOT seen discussed is this:  How did Benicio Del Toro's character know about the escaping ships?  He was with Fin and Rose the whole time, and neither of them were privy to that.  So how did he know?  Was that explained and I just missed it?

Wasn't Poe saying something about it to Finn over the comm while his character was trying to open the door? That's where I figured it came up.

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« Reply #78 on: December 17, 2017, 07:42:59 AM »
I think they've got too many characters.
I find myself agreeing with this. I was actually hoping they would pull a Game of Thrones and kill Fin and Rose on the First Order ship.

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« Reply #79 on: December 17, 2017, 08:24:37 AM »
I think they've got too many characters.
I find myself agreeing with this. I was actually hoping they would pull a Game of Thrones and kill Fin and Rose on the First Order ship.

That'd have been awesome. I like the Finn character but if he's only going to be used for silly little 'side' stories like that then might as well off the dude.
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« Reply #80 on: December 17, 2017, 09:21:25 AM »
I agree, I think having Finn killed by Snoke, Kylo or even Phasma would have been a bold move, and would have given extra motivation to Rey.

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« Reply #81 on: December 17, 2017, 09:52:55 AM »
Disney wouldn't want to have the PR outrage at a black lead dying while the white leads stayed alive despite it being a good move from a storyline standpoint.

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« Reply #82 on: December 17, 2017, 12:14:35 PM »
I enjoyed the movie, but there are also a lot of things in the plot that I think make no sense whatsoever. They also could have cut pretty much that whole Casino planet storyline and the movie would've been better for it.

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« Reply #83 on: December 17, 2017, 12:23:51 PM »
Disney wouldn't want to have the PR outrage at a black lead dying while the white leads stayed alive despite it being a good move from a storyline standpoint.

Yet it’s fine with the over the top ‘woman power’ theme of this movie.
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« Reply #84 on: December 17, 2017, 02:11:36 PM »
What bosk1 said about the payoff at the end of the movie with the casino.   overall I really like the film could they tighten a few things up yep, but I still really enjoyed it.
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« Reply #85 on: December 17, 2017, 03:41:30 PM »
As I've been thinking about it that last couple of days, I'm liking it more and more. The issues are falling to the wayside of the things I liked. Honestly, the biggest reason I'm liking it a lot is that it was not what I expected. TFA was great, but it was exactly what i anticipated. TLJ was a complete break from that. It definitely had it's flaws though. I'm going to go see it again on a $5 Tuesday this week or next.

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« Reply #86 on: December 17, 2017, 04:38:23 PM »
It was pretty good. Not great. I'd give it a good 7/10 I guess.

Had some really great stuff, some of the best in the saga, honestly, but also had some of the worst stuff in the saga, including like 30 completely pointless minutes that did nothing at all.

Could have been a lot better, but had great moments and ideas. I definitely liked their ideas of the force a lot more.
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« Reply #87 on: December 17, 2017, 05:17:58 PM »
Just got back from seeing this a second time and I have to be honest.....I REALLY like this movie. I think I was put off the first viewing because I had my own idea of what the movie 'should' be...especially concerning Luke and when it didn't meet that I was initially a bit disappointed.

But watching this again and taking it in I think this was a great film. Still don't like the Leah space flying scene but even the casino excursion was more tolerable the second time. One thing I paid close attention to this time was the murder of Snoke. And, if you listen to his monologue as Ren is gearing up to kill Rey Snoke is detailing bit by bit that he knows that Ren is about to kill him.

He says things like "I am in his mind" ... "I know his every thought"...."I can see him turning the saber"  as the light saber turns on his chair and then he says "and now I can see him activating the saber and killing his TRUE enemy"    I think Snoke knew and/or orchestrated that entire 'murder' for a purpose....what yet I don't know, but just as I don't think we've seen the last from Luke I think the same about Snoke. It could be the Dark Side version of Force Ghosts...who knows?

And, while I was initially disappointed with Luke's fate I think what they did in this movie was perfect. I wanted him to....like Zantera mentioned a page or two ago.....to have this Rouge One Vadar esk scene of just an ultimate battle showing off his massive Jedi skills. And, that's actually what they gave us. First, he connected to Leah I'm thinking to 'know' where to project himself....then he pulls of the greatest Jedi trick we've ever seen on film by battling someone from light years/star systems away.

Rain Johnson even gives you clues prior to that that he's not really there. Outside of the physical appearance change Johnson made a big deal in several scenes to show the red dirt below the salt in footprints...he did it several times including with Ren. But, he showed a couple close ups of Luke's feet in that battle that showed Luke not leaving any footprints...thought that was cool touch.

Anyway....I enjoyed this film greatly the second time....I'll probably go see it a couple more times in the theaters....definitely in IMAX.
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« Reply #88 on: December 17, 2017, 05:23:57 PM »
He says things like "I am in his mind" ... "I know his every thought"...."I can see him turning the saber"  as the light saber turns on his chair and then he says "and now I can see him activating the saber and killing his TRUE enemy"    I think Snoke knew and/or orchestrated that entire 'murder' for a purpose....what yet I don't know, but just as I don't think we've seen the last from Luke I think the same about Snoke. It could be the Dark Side version of Force Ghosts...who knows?

Yeah definitely.  I think Snoke, like the Emperor in ROTJ, knew that Ren killing his master was exactly what he needed to kill the uncertainty in Ren ('strike me down with your hatred and your journey to the dark side will be complete').

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« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2017, 07:15:35 PM »
Why is Hux in charge of anything? Dude seems like an idiot. I have no idea how he is in charge of the whole first order.
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« Reply #90 on: December 17, 2017, 07:18:12 PM »
Why is Hux in charge of anything? Dude seems like an idiot. I have no idea how he is in charge of the whole first order.

His dad is Brenden Gleeson.  He has some pull. LOL
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« Reply #91 on: December 17, 2017, 08:24:33 PM »
With Rey having both pieces of Anakin/Luke/Bens old Blue Light Saber I hope that when she repairs it she constructs it in a way to give her the double sided saber ala Darth Maul. She’s already proficient with a staff and that’d be a perfect configuration for her. And it’d lead to some cool choreography in future fight scenes.
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« Reply #92 on: December 17, 2017, 08:45:37 PM »
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« Reply #93 on: December 17, 2017, 10:24:17 PM »
Just got back from Empire strikes back, or was it return of the jedi? Hard to tell since it incorporated some many parts from both.

What the hell was that? seriously. Do something original. It didn't bother me all that much that TFA followed so many of ANH's story beats, but I really want nothing to do with it this time around.

Alright so here we go:

I loved snoke. Wasn't all that impressed with him in TFA, but here in person, I was captivated. He really came off a someone not to be screwed with, and I LOVED when he was on screen, which made me shocked beyond words when he died. I loved the character so I was sad to see him go, BUT I respect a bold move like that. My major complaint was that Snoke has NO development. Who the hell is he? Why is he all messed up looking.

seriously, how can someone with the power and influence of the emperor just show up. Like this guy just showed up out of nowhere? And I'm gonna tell you right now, there is NO WAY the emperor would have let someone that powerful just wander around. He would have killed him or had him under his command.

On to the next complaint. The hour long SLOW speed pursuit. This is really insane. At least in the original version of Empire strikes back, we had that kick ass pursuit of the falcon, out maneuvering the empire, weaving in and out of asteroids, then outsmarting the empire. Something like that is cool. But now in the new Return of the empire jedi film I just watched, we get that laughable slow speed pursuit. Out of range? What? So there's no tiny fighters or BOMBERS that could fly up to the capital ships and take out their engines? This whole scenario was really bad and lame writing.

Luke's "training" was super underwhelming. Those scenes could have been tightened up or at the very least, he could have actually trained her. His not training her made it all feel like a waste.

So Finn and Rose just happen to be into a prison cell with a guy that not only can break out at ANY moment, but has the EXACT skills needed that they came to the planet for. The whole casino planet sequence felt like I was watching the prequels honestly.

I thought the Luke projection thing was pretty cool, but I would have liked to see more of a fight between Kylo and luke. It didn't have to be overboard or anything, but just give me a little bit more. Luke just letting himself die at the end was a real let down to me. I waited two years to watch Luke in action, but he really did almost nothing the whole film. Honestly most of what luke did felt out of character.

So phasma shows up for a hot minute JUST to get beat again and fall away. She is basically Team Rocket at this point.

So rey comes from nothing, but yet is Super OP, is a master pilot with no training, rivals and bests an Heir of vader, with no training? I let all that go in TFA because I thought she was someone of importance.

Kylo with Knights of ren in the rain from TFA. So that no longer happened? I was under the impression that Kylo along with knights of ren destroyed the jedi temple mach 2. Now, he as a student brings the roof down on luke and then just goes and starts murdering? I just don't get it.

Ok, the stuff I like:

1. First space battle was tight and gave me goosebumps
2. Snoke was incredible
3. The snoke throne room scene, surprise death and Rey and kylo teaming up against the royal guards may have been one of the most badass moments in any star wars movie. Mother of god, it was awesome.
4. I find Hux very entertaining. Don't know why, I just really like that character.
5. Poe is cool as always

Overall, I would describe The Last Jedi as a hot steaming turd, that had some sparkling diamonds sticking out of it. I really wanted to say this is my least favorite SW film, but alas, Attack of the clones still exists, so oh well. I hated TLJ, but Loved TFA though.

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« Reply #94 on: December 17, 2017, 10:50:13 PM »
My theory about the code breaker that should have been explained.....but I felt was implied all along. 

He WAS the guy they were looking for.   He was thrown in jail having lost an incredible amount of money, and in the taking away of all his personal possessions.....someone else ended up with his personal pin on their lapel.   So by being thrown in jail, they actually found THE guy they had been looking for the entire time.   (That was my immediate conclusion that I kept waiting for them to explain....but then they didn"t ....which I thought was weird because it seemed pretty obvious)
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« Reply #95 on: December 17, 2017, 10:52:44 PM »
My theory about the code breaker that should have been explained.....but I felt was implied all along. 

He WAS the guy they were looking for.   He was thrown in jail having lost an incredible amount of money, and in the taking away of all his personal possessions.....someone else ended up with his personal pin on their lapel.   So by being thrown in jail, they actually found THE guy they had been looking for the entire time.   (That was my immediate conclusion that I kept waiting for them to explain....but then they didn"t ....which I thought was weird because it seemed pretty obvious)

I doubt weird alien girl was going to give a high recommendation to the guy they ended up with. Pretty sure if he's willing to betray them THAT quickly, she would have known what kind of guy he was.

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« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2017, 02:05:59 AM »
I can't help but think the film ended to neatly for a second part of a trilogy, there is no real hook leading into part 3 (or IX).  How awesome would it have been if this one ended with Kylo successfully turning Rey to the Dark side.

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« Reply #97 on: December 18, 2017, 02:57:18 AM »
I think their main setup was for the resistance to take a battering going into the final part so they'd be the major underdogs. The Rey / Kylo storyline only really tried to make their plot more personal, without actually achieving much over the course of two and a half hours.
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« Reply #98 on: December 18, 2017, 05:04:27 AM »
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« Reply #100 on: December 18, 2017, 06:27:49 AM »
My major complaint was that Snoke has NO development. Who the hell is he? Why is he all messed up looking.
I was originally annoyed by this as well, but the more I thought about it, the more I'm OK with it. We knew nothing about the Emperor in the original trilogy. No back story, no knowledge of how he came to power, etc, and we never questioned that. We seem to expect to know everyone's full story before we're satisfied these days, which I don't think is necessary. He's just a powerful bad dude same as the emperor was.

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« Reply #101 on: December 18, 2017, 06:35:19 AM »
What an odd film. I really enjoyed watching it, but I also left the theater thoroughly baffled by what I saw. Need to see again. Couldn’t rate right now if I tried.

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I haven't seen the film since I last checked in. I plan on seeing it Friday night. However, since I first saw it, I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. I can't put a finger on exactly why, but I feel as though the film genuinely moved me, even if I didn't totally realize it at first. What happened to Luke was both tragic and hopeful... The film was very bittersweet in a lot of ways. I'm anxious to catch it again.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #102 on: December 18, 2017, 06:36:09 AM »
My major complaint was that Snoke has NO development. Who the hell is he? Why is he all messed up looking.
I was originally annoyed by this as well, but the more I thought about it, the more I'm OK with it. We knew nothing about the Emperor in the original trilogy. No back story, no knowledge of how he came to power, etc, and we never questioned that. We seem to expect to know everyone's full story before we're satisfied these days, which I don't think is necessary. He's just a powerful bad dude same as the emperor was.

The difference is that with the OT, we knew nothing of the universe before the films. In these new movies, I think there needs to be some explanation for who this big bad dude is who popped up in the time between ROTJ and TFA. What, who, why etc. Like many things in TLJ, it felt like afizzle after the setup of TFA.
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« Reply #103 on: December 18, 2017, 06:37:05 AM »
My major complaint was that Snoke has NO development. Who the hell is he? Why is he all messed up looking.
I was originally annoyed by this as well, but the more I thought about it, the more I'm OK with it. We knew nothing about the Emperor in the original trilogy. No back story, no knowledge of how he came to power, etc, and we never questioned that. We seem to expect to know everyone's full story before we're satisfied these days, which I don't think is necessary. He's just a powerful bad dude same as the emperor was.

Couldn't agree more! Snoke served he's purpose in the story, as a a final push for Ben to the dark side. It would have been cool to find out more about him, but i'm fine if he doesn't return in 9.

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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #104 on: December 18, 2017, 06:45:04 AM »
I can't help but think the film ended to neatly for a second part of a trilogy, there is no real hook leading into part 3 (or IX).  How awesome would it have been if this one ended with Kylo successfully turning Rey to the Dark side.

I think it ended perfectly. It set up a major time jump for the next movie, probably 5-10 years to where Rey is a legit...full on Powerful Jedi and with her having the ancient texts possibly be training more. With Luke’s lore increased with his actions (his story already being told by stable boys at the end) he indeed sparked the rebellion and was the hero the galaxy needed and inspiration so the resistance will be large and strong. Ren will be strong as well and by then even more bitter because i has the sense that he again was ashamed of his actions....he was kneeling with his head bowed to the ground after Rey shut the door on him.
Without Faith.....Without Hope.....There can be No Peace of Mind