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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2065 on: December 11, 2018, 09:46:03 AM »
Finally watched Deadpool 2 the other day.

I don't know.  I like the idea of a character breaking the fourth wall, and I find a lot of things about the tone pretty amusing, like constant F-bombs and graphic violence against a backdrop of cheesy Air Supply songs and shit like that, or other things that you really don't expect from a Marvel property.  But a couple of times I found myself thinking that he's winking just a few more times than necessary, that maybe it would be nice to just, you know, watch a movie, without being constantly reminded that it's a movie, that it's being made to entertain, that he's doing everything he can think of to entertain, and that all this schtick is funny.  The first one worked because it was novel.  This time he couldn't just do more of the same, so he gave us more of the same but took it farther and more often, which isn't really the answer.

Plus, Vanessa.  Sorry, but if that was supposed to be a shocker... okay, it was, but it also sucked half the life out of the movie.

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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2066 on: December 12, 2018, 07:26:32 PM »
So itís being reported that Netflix had a clause in their contract with marvel that those characters couldnít appear in any non Netflix-Marvel shows for two years after cancellation. Guess that explains why they didnít show in movies and that they wonít be showing up anywhere anytime soon.
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« Reply #2067 on: December 12, 2018, 07:57:22 PM »
So itís being reported that Netflix had a clause in their contract with marvel that those characters couldnít appear in any non Netflix-Marvel shows for two years after cancellation. Guess that explains why they didnít show in movies and that they wonít be showing up anywhere anytime soon.

That's unexpected and sad :-\
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2068 on: December 13, 2018, 07:40:23 AM »
So itís being reported that Netflix had a clause in their contract with marvel that those characters couldnít appear in any non Netflix-Marvel shows for two years after cancellation. Guess that explains why they didnít show in movies and that they wonít be showing up anywhere anytime soon.

That's unexpected and sad :-\

Yeah, I saw this too. Really not happy about that.
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« Reply #2069 on: December 13, 2018, 12:49:10 PM »
That's like that no compete clause WWE has in their contracts. "You're fired. Enjoy 90 days without income."

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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2070 on: December 13, 2018, 12:56:25 PM »
So itís being reported that Netflix had a clause in their contract with marvel that those characters couldnít appear in any non Netflix-Marvel shows for two years after cancellation. Guess that explains why they didnít show in movies and that they wonít be showing up anywhere anytime soon.

That's unexpected and sad :-\

Yeah, I saw this too. Really not happy about that.

I would think that with the amount of $$$ that Disney has....if they REALLY wanted those characters to be involved in a movie/series prior to them being free from any prior contract with Netflix.....they'd find a way to make it happen.
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2071 on: December 13, 2018, 01:03:32 PM »
Pretty sure Disney doesnít see those characters as SUCH a need that theyíll spend tons of money to get them. Theyíre fine waiting.
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2072 on: December 13, 2018, 01:22:10 PM »
Pretty sure Disney doesnít see those characters as SUCH a need that theyíll spend tons of money to get them. Theyíre fine waiting.

I agree. I was just saying that if they really wanted to make something with them in it prior to the contract expiring....they'd find a way.
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2073 on: December 14, 2018, 02:16:22 PM »
I just realized something about the Endgame trailer.  This isn't spoilery, but I am fairly certain this is true, and it is in direction contradiction to what the trailer wants viewers to think.  Using tiny font for people who wouldn't want to have figured this out, in the (IMO, very likely) event this ends up being true:

I think the footage of Scott in the trailer's stinger is NOT Scott after escaping the quantum realm.  Rather, it is from before he went there in the first place.  If I had to guess, I would say it is in the short timeframe between him being released from house arrest and the time we see him go into the quantum realm in the end-credits scene.  But it doesn't really matter either way.  So, contrary to what the Endgame trailer seems to want us to think, I don't think at all that that scene indicates that Scott escapes the quantum realm all on his own and shows up to save the day.
 That scene is made out in the trailer to be HIGHLY significant.  But it would not surprise me at all if it isn't really significant at all, or if its significance is something completely different than what the trailer implies. 


A couple of other things I thought of:

Something is up with Tony's armor.  The suit he has is nanotech.  From everything we saw of it in Infinity War, it seemed like any damage could almost-instantly be repaired, provided there were sufficient nanoparts to cover that damaged area.  So...why does the helmet Tony uses to record his message to Pepper appear to be so damaged and battered?  Something different appears to have happened rather than Tony just being stranded on Benatar immediately after Infinity War.

And
Not related to the trailer, but...regarding the time stone:  In the months after Infinity War, I have seen people note that the stone was glowing when Strange gave it to Thanos, indicating that it was somehow activated and doing something.  I'm not so sure, but let's roll with that idea for a second.  The theories I have seen about that are along the lines of the stone itself traveling through time, so that another version is sent backward or forward to some other point in time so that it could be given to the Avengers to stop Thanos.  I have a slightly more mundane possible explanation.  The stone was being used, but not for time travel--at least, not in the same sense.  Going back to Strange viewing the 14 million scenarios, maybe what he was doing was actively using the stone at that point to continue viewing the scenarios so that he could continue guiding everything down the correct path that led to the only winning outcome.  So, if true, he was actually using the stone to "travel," but not in reverse or at an accelerated pace or whatever.  But was using it more to navigate through time at normal speed down all the branching possibilities and stay on the one path he wanted.
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2074 on: December 14, 2018, 05:29:51 PM »
I just realized something about the Endgame trailer.  This isn't spoilery, but I am fairly certain this is true, and it is in direction contradiction to what the trailer wants viewers to think.  Using tiny font for people who wouldn't want to have figured this out, in the (IMO, very likely) event this ends up being true:

I think the footage of Scott in the trailer's stinger is NOT Scott after escaping the quantum realm.  Rather, it is from before he went there in the first place.  If I had to guess, I would say it is in the short timeframe between him being released from house arrest and the time we see him go into the quantum realm in the end-credits scene.  But it doesn't really matter either way.  So, contrary to what the Endgame trailer seems to want us to think, I don't think at all that that scene indicates that Scott escapes the quantum realm all on his own and shows up to save the day.
 That scene is made out in the trailer to be HIGHLY significant.  But it would not surprise me at all if it isn't really significant at all, or if its significance is something completely different than what the trailer implies. 


A couple of other things I thought of:

Something is up with Tony's armor.  The suit he has is nanotech.  From everything we saw of it in Infinity War, it seemed like any damage could almost-instantly be repaired, provided there were sufficient nanoparts to cover that damaged area.  So...why does the helmet Tony uses to record his message to Pepper appear to be so damaged and battered?  Something different appears to have happened rather than Tony just being stranded on Benatar immediately after Infinity War.

And
Not related to the trailer, but...regarding the time stone:  In the months after Infinity War, I have seen people note that the stone was glowing when Strange gave it to Thanos, indicating that it was somehow activated and doing something.  I'm not so sure, but let's roll with that idea for a second.  The theories I have seen about that are along the lines of the stone itself traveling through time, so that another version is sent backward or forward to some other point in time so that it could be given to the Avengers to stop Thanos.  I have a slightly more mundane possible explanation.  The stone was being used, but not for time travel--at least, not in the same sense.  Going back to Strange viewing the 14 million scenarios, maybe what he was doing was actively using the stone at that point to continue viewing the scenarios so that he could continue guiding everything down the correct path that led to the only winning outcome.  So, if true, he was actually using the stone to "travel," but not in reverse or at an accelerated pace or whatever.  But was using it more to navigate through time at normal speed down all the branching possibilities and stay on the one path he wanted.

I'll reply with 1, 2 and 3 to make my job easier and cause I'm lazy.

1) When they see Scott, they looked completely shocked to see him and wonder if the video is several years old. I don't think they'd have that kind of response if it was before the halfening. After the snap, they just assumed he had died too, which is evidenced by his picture being on that list with Spider-man of people who died. So I feel like he's showing up after he went on a pretty interesting journey himself.

2) Nanotech is not impervious. After the fight with Thanos, his suit was BADLY damaged. It can't regenerate forever. It regenerated a lot during the fight, but then ran out of steam at the end. So it makes sense seeing the helmet all messed up.

3) Maybe, but I think we're just seeing a stone that happens to glow. I doubt it had any meaning or significance.
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2075 on: December 14, 2018, 07:03:28 PM »
I agree with Adami ... as is the case in almost all things Marvel.
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2076 on: December 14, 2018, 08:13:58 PM »
So, not MCU, but Into the Spiderverse is awesome. One of the best superhero movies ever.

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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2077 on: December 14, 2018, 08:28:45 PM »
I just realized something about the Endgame trailer.  This isn't spoilery, but I am fairly certain this is true, and it is in direction contradiction to what the trailer wants viewers to think.  Using tiny font for people who wouldn't want to have figured this out, in the (IMO, very likely) event this ends up being true:

I think the footage of Scott in the trailer's stinger is NOT Scott after escaping the quantum realm.  Rather, it is from before he went there in the first place.  If I had to guess, I would say it is in the short timeframe between him being released from house arrest and the time we see him go into the quantum realm in the end-credits scene.  But it doesn't really matter either way.  So, contrary to what the Endgame trailer seems to want us to think, I don't think at all that that scene indicates that Scott escapes the quantum realm all on his own and shows up to save the day.
 That scene is made out in the trailer to be HIGHLY significant.  But it would not surprise me at all if it isn't really significant at all, or if its significance is something completely different than what the trailer implies. 


A couple of other things I thought of:

Something is up with Tony's armor.  The suit he has is nanotech.  From everything we saw of it in Infinity War, it seemed like any damage could almost-instantly be repaired, provided there were sufficient nanoparts to cover that damaged area.  So...why does the helmet Tony uses to record his message to Pepper appear to be so damaged and battered?  Something different appears to have happened rather than Tony just being stranded on Benatar immediately after Infinity War.

And
Not related to the trailer, but...regarding the time stone:  In the months after Infinity War, I have seen people note that the stone was glowing when Strange gave it to Thanos, indicating that it was somehow activated and doing something.  I'm not so sure, but let's roll with that idea for a second.  The theories I have seen about that are along the lines of the stone itself traveling through time, so that another version is sent backward or forward to some other point in time so that it could be given to the Avengers to stop Thanos.  I have a slightly more mundane possible explanation.  The stone was being used, but not for time travel--at least, not in the same sense.  Going back to Strange viewing the 14 million scenarios, maybe what he was doing was actively using the stone at that point to continue viewing the scenarios so that he could continue guiding everything down the correct path that led to the only winning outcome.  So, if true, he was actually using the stone to "travel," but not in reverse or at an accelerated pace or whatever.  But was using it more to navigate through time at normal speed down all the branching possibilities and stay on the one path he wanted.

I'll reply with 1, 2 and 3 to make my job easier and cause I'm lazy.

1) When they see Scott, they looked completely shocked to see him and wonder if the video is several years old. I don't think they'd have that kind of response if it was before the halfening. After the snap, they just assumed he had died too, which is evidenced by his picture being on that list with Spider-man of people who died. So I feel like he's showing up after he went on a pretty interesting journey himself.

2) Nanotech is not impervious. After the fight with Thanos, his suit was BADLY damaged. It can't regenerate forever. It regenerated a lot during the fight, but then ran out of steam at the end. So it makes sense seeing the helmet all messed up.

3) Maybe, but I think we're just seeing a stone that happens to glow. I doubt it had any meaning or significance.

In reference to point 1)

It appears that the video of Scott says "Strat 1983: Archive" in the upper left hand corner

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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2078 on: Today at 04:48:19 AM »
Ok... all this tiny font is killing me.  I don't think this is at all spoilery, so in response to Gregg... I've heard and seen the "archive" point.  But it can't be back in the year you mention - the facility wasn't even built.  I'm still a little stumped at Cap's question of "Is this old footage"?  Because it doesn't look like Cap/Nat have aged.  My guess is it might be a few months/years post-Decimation.  Not even sure if it is OLD footage, though I did take note of all the "leaves" lying on the ground ... perhaps everyone's remains?  Could it somehow be immediately after the Decimation?  Perhaps he's been time-vortexing around for a while, but found a way to come out at exactly the moment he went in to the Quantum Realm?
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