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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2017, 12:56:30 PM »
That's too bad.  I wish TA was better received, it deserves a lot more credit imo.  Brilliant album and the concert was more than worthy of being immortalized on film.   :(
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2017, 12:57:33 PM »
I'm curious how JLB's performance will come out. His singing was really rough this tour.

I fully support any kind of pitch correction, mixing and matching of shows over various nights, or anything else the band needs to do in order for the release to come out great. I'm all for polishing these things up.
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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2017, 12:58:44 PM »
I'm guessing, since they record every show, it'll be something like the Holiday release a couple years ago, where they pulled the best performances of each song from across the tour.

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« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2017, 02:23:06 PM »
That's too bad.  I wish TA was better received, it deserves a lot more credit imo.  Brilliant album and the concert was more than worthy of being immortalized on film.   :(

Completely agree, I really wish there was a Bluray for the show. 

On the other hand, this may mean that I'm that much closer to a live version of The Bigger Picture, and I'm psyched for that

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« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2017, 02:35:35 PM »
JP is on Eddie Trunk right now and he said they did not record any TA shows.  He said if you weren't there, you won't get to see it.

Unless you know how to use You Tube. :)

I did see it live in Los Angeles and loved it. I do wish there was a live DVD of it though for souvenir sake. Although to be honest I rarely watch music DVD's anymore except for a few songs here and there.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2017, 02:54:47 PM »
I knew they didn't film any TA shows, but they didn't record audio either?  Sadly the idea of a blu ray of TA is long gone, but given the timing, I'm guessing maybe another Christmas gift?  Maybe some of the earlier I&W shows this year.  Sadly knowing this, my shows coming up won't be on this.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2017, 05:05:50 PM »
I'm curious how JLB's performance will come out. His singing was really rough this tour.

I fully support any kind of pitch correction, mixing and matching of shows over various nights, or anything else the band needs to do in order for the release to come out great. I'm all for polishing these things up.

Not to open up this can of worms, but why even bother releasing a live album if you have to fix a ton of stuff?   A live album should be "live," warts and all.

The studio version is there for those who want everything to sound just perfect. ;)

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2017, 05:08:06 PM »
I'm okay with some fixes. But based on how I've seen James perform thus far? It would have to take a TON of work to create a whole album of him sounding good. Though I feel like people have drastically lowered their standards with him and would be very happy as long as he hits some high notes and is moderately on key for most of it.
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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2017, 05:11:39 PM »
I'm okay with some fixes. But based on how I've seen James perform thus far? It would have to take a TON of work to create a whole album of him sounding good. Though I feel like people have drastically lowered their standards with him and would be very happy as long as he hits some high notes and is moderately on key for most of it.

Honestly, based on the footage I have seen of this tour, I'd have a tough time even buying a live DVD from this tour.  I fear JLB's vocals would make it a one watch and done for me.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2017, 07:14:36 PM »
Well that gets me excited that it might be an IAW release

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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2017, 07:37:44 PM »
I'm okay with some fixes. But based on how I've seen James perform thus far? It would have to take a TON of work to create a whole album of him sounding good. Though I feel like people have drastically lowered their standards with him and would be very happy as long as he hits some high notes and is moderately on key for most of it.

Honestly, based on the footage I have seen of this tour, I'd have a tough time even buying a live DVD from this tour.  I fear JLB's vocals would make it a one watch and done for me.

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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2017, 08:07:59 PM »
We already have an I&W Anniversary CD. Does anyone listen to it?

Yeah, I listened to it last week before the Los Angeles show.  I brought it to the M&G to have it signed.  One of the band members asked "what's this?" and I told him it was the 10th anniversary CD. Might have been Mangini.

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« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2017, 03:36:56 AM »
That's too bad.  I wish TA was better received, it deserves a lot more credit imo.  Brilliant album and the concert was more than worthy of being immortalized on film.   :(
I'm personally a huge fan of The Astonishing, but I've come to terms with the fact that it was very divisive and plenty of people chose not to see it live and therefore wouldn't certainly bother buying a live DVD of it. It was obvious from the start that it would have a smaller appeal - Dream Theater never excludes Eastern Europe on their tours, but on The Astonishing there wasn't a single date in that region. I hate not having seen the show, it's too bad I won't have it on a DVD neither, but it is what it is. It's a fantastic album that didn't get enough love, which isn't uncommon.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2017, 03:44:12 AM »
Really wish I could have a BluRay of The Astonishing but as it is I will have to live on the memory if the 2 shows I saw....

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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2017, 03:55:21 AM »
Really wish I could have a BluRay of The Astonishing but as it is I will have to live on the memory if the 2 shows I saw....

My only memory is seeing from the roof the theater, on the leftmost corner that blocked my view of Jordan and almost always Myung.

I did enjoy it but I wish I had been a little less considerate with the money and got a better seat...
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2017, 04:22:37 AM »
That's too bad.  I wish TA was better received, it deserves a lot more credit imo.  Brilliant album and the concert was more than worthy of being immortalized on film.   :(
I'm personally a huge fan of The Astonishing, but I've come to terms with the fact that it was very divisive and plenty of people chose not to see it live and therefore wouldn't certainly bother buying a live DVD of it. It was obvious from the start that it would have a smaller appeal - Dream Theater never excludes Eastern Europe on their tours, but on The Astonishing there wasn't a single date in that region. I hate not having seen the show, it's too bad I won't have it on a DVD neither, but it is what it is. It's a fantastic album that didn't get enough love, which isn't uncommon.

When TA came out I was really into their 'heavier' sound and I sort of disliked it, now I have become a gigantic fan of this album and I wish I could have got into it earlier to see them perform in Milan last year.  :facepalm:

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2017, 05:34:45 AM »
I'm okay with some fixes. But based on how I've seen James perform thus far? It would have to take a TON of work to create a whole album of him sounding good. Though I feel like people have drastically lowered their standards with him and would be very happy as long as he hits some high notes and is moderately on key for most of it.

Honestly, based on the footage I have seen of this tour, I'd have a tough time even buying a live DVD from this tour.  I fear JLB's vocals would make it a one watch and done for me.

Has it been that bad?

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If you look at YouTube videos, yeah, it's pretty bad. Enunciation was never his forté, but now the higher parts are just "whaaah-ahhhh-gbahhh," plus his timbre gets increasingly unpleasant the higher he goes. He's probably using some technique as to not to strain his voice too much.

Still, when you're there, it's a different kind of experience, so don't let this ruin it for you, you're in for a real treat and an amazing show, with plenty of small surprises (jams, JLB telling stories). I saw them in May, and when you're there and caught up in the moment, it works. I definitely didn't stop and think for one second that JLB hinders the production, but when I watch YouTube videos, it's all I can hear.


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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2017, 08:35:25 AM »
If it's a live version of TA, there's no way I'd buy it.    Anything else I will buy on the first day it's released.

There are only a few bands left that I will actually buy their new stuff. DT is one of them. 

In 2017, here are the only albums I have actually paid for at a record store  (hey . . . I only make 12 bux an hour)

1) Butch Walker - Stay Gold  (quite good)
2) Depeche Mode - Spirit  (disappointing from one of my all-time favs)
3) Barry Manilow - This is my town  (stop laughing - one of the best entertainers and songwriters of all-time)
4) L.A. Guns - The Missing Peace  (holy crap this is a good hair band album)
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2017, 09:53:02 AM »
I guess nobody read my comment about what JP said on Eddie Trunk yesterday.

He said they didn't record any TA shows.  Have to assume it's gonna be a live version of the IW&B shows?

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2017, 10:08:32 AM »
Yea and those shows included a couple TA tracks so I guess we will get those.  Would be cool if they included the replacement songs for those as well.

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« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2017, 10:58:15 AM »
Yea and those shows included a couple TA tracks so I guess we will get those.  Would be cool if they included the replacement songs for those as well.

I am going to see DT in two weeks and I have scrupulously avoided seeing any set lists.     I was hoping there wouldn't be any songs from TA in the set list.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2017, 11:23:35 AM »
I guess nobody read my comment about what JP said on Eddie Trunk yesterday.

He said they didn't record any TA shows.  Have to assume it's gonna be a live version of the IW&B shows?

Maybe he just means they didn't professionally record them.  They do record all their shows for archival purposes.  That's where a lot of the ytsejam releases come from.  So it *could* be The Astonishing live but it would be an official bootleg.  That's what some people are theorizing.

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« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2017, 11:28:09 AM »
They didn't -film- any of the shows. They still haven't filmed any shows - except the one in Budokan (which wasn't filmed by DT, but an external TV crew for broadcast).

They do record EVERY show they do on multitrack. But it's whats at the soundboard, which does not contain any audience noise (which sounds dry and soulless, unfortunately). Unless they've started miking the audience regularly too. They didn't used to (speaking of experience when we've needed audio for fan club releases).
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2017, 11:40:58 AM »
My concert video watching time has gone way down so a DT DVD is no longer an automatic purchase. I am not sure an Astonishing show would have been an automatic purchase anyway, even though I loved the show I went to. I am more intrigued by a I&MAB (how to we acronymize that?) show
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« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2017, 12:02:45 PM »
I think the problem is many of us are already thinking of a video release, but Chycki only said he was mixing a DT live album. What if it's audio only? That way, it could either be something from this tour or from the TA tour... or even from the 30th anniversary european tour ;D
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2017, 12:06:56 PM »
I guess it's possible it could be something else.  Maybe it's a compilation of a bunch of different tracks across multiple past tours. 

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« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2017, 12:16:23 PM »
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« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2017, 12:18:21 PM »
That seems like a somewhat bizarre attitude.  This was JP's masterpiece, and he says they didn't record a single performance of it?

Sadly, many fans didn't lke TA too much, and live albums have a lower demand than studio albums, so that's probably a big reason why. Too bad, because I love TA and was never able to see it live  :'(
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2017, 12:47:02 PM »
Yeah, but if I wrote a 2-CD concept album and went on tour with my band and played the whole thing every night, I sure as hell would make sure I recorded it at least once.  I'm not even talking about whether or not it would make a good release for a live album; I would want a recording of the band performing it, for posterity.

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« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2017, 01:04:08 PM »
JP is on Eddie Trunk right now and he said they did not record any TA shows.  He said if you weren't there, you won't get to see it.

awesome news for those us who live in a city they didnt come to.

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« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2017, 01:15:57 PM »
I'm curious how JLB's performance will come out. His singing was really rough this tour.

I fully support any kind of pitch correction, mixing and matching of shows over various nights, or anything else the band needs to do in order for the release to come out great. I'm all for polishing these things up.

Not to open up this can of worms, but why even bother releasing a live album if you have to fix a ton of stuff?   A live album should be "live," warts and all.

The studio version is there for those who want everything to sound just perfect. ;)

Could not disagree more.  When you are at the concert and caught up in the moment you are less likely to notice mistakes.  At home in your living room watching a DVD you cant miss them.  So many potentially incredible live DT performances have been ruined by James' off key caterwauling.  Really, he has laid waste to some of the most epic performances in all of rock.  Even if 95% of the performance is perfect, its that 5% that ruins it.  WHY NOT FIX THE 5% IT AND LET US ENJOY THE REST??!  I do not want to listen to the most technically proficient band ever to hear a bunch of mistakes.  And this goes back to Live Scenes from NY, it is not a new thing.  I really think the rest of the band is just too nice to do what needs to be done.

And...I love the Astonishing too.  Nothing wrong with James there.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2017, 02:48:36 PM »
Yeah, but if I wrote a 2-CD concept album and went on tour with my band and played the whole thing every night, I sure as hell would make sure I recorded it at least once.  I'm not even talking about whether or not it would make a good release for a live album; I would want a recording of the band performing it, for posterity.

Plus the fans weren't allowed to film songs themselves either

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« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2017, 03:21:13 PM »
Anyway, to those overly worried about James - check out this awesome rendition of Breaking All Illusions from my show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZksIow4BJ0

I don't think that's the only time he ever got a song so good, so if they're recording more shows, I think you can have top notch performances from him even without dubbing the shyt ouf ot it.
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2017, 04:03:42 PM »
Is it just me or is James in especially great shape when the band plays Italy? For some reason, the best clips are always from Milan, Rome or something.  ;D

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2017, 04:31:56 PM »
Yeah, but if I wrote a 2-CD concept album and went on tour with my band and played the whole thing every night, I sure as hell would make sure I recorded it at least once.  I'm not even talking about whether or not it would make a good release for a live album; I would want a recording of the band performing it, for posterity.
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