Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)

[Stadler]

That DTP shirt is amazing.

I'd wear that in a heartbeat.   After writing him off for years, Devin Townsend is SCREAMING up my list of favorite artists like a moon shot.  That's my sense of humor right there (and, incidentally the way I took Derek's comment on "history"; not serious but self-deprecating as he noodled in the studio).

[Skeever]

MP's concerts are starting to feel like talent shows put on for family and friends.

[The Walrus]

That DTP shirt is amazing.

I'd wear that in a heartbeat.   After writing him off for years, Devin Townsend is SCREAMING up my list of favorite artists like a moon shot.  That's my sense of humor right there (and, incidentally the way I took Derek's comment on "history"; not serious but self-deprecating as he noodled in the studio).

This is only slightly off-topic but did you ever see the video of him singing Burning My Soul with PSMS at ProgNation At Sea 2014? Not work safe cause of language, but man. Funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxKKI233rHE

[bill1971]

it's no review, it's just naming some bandnames and mentioning the bandmembers saying they're doing their thing. no insight into the music or anything like it. remove the hypewords and there's nothing left..

But if it was negative, all of a sudden it would turn into a valid review for the eyes and ears of those who don't like the band. And all of a sudden, Metal Hammer would be a great source of information for metal news.

120% this, RodrigoAltaf.

240% delusion.

There's evidence of that in this very thread...

If you think that some people here are unreasonable towards SoA, that’s a point of view you could probably defend, but definitely not by being equally or even more unreasonable than them. But ok, I’ll bite, let’s see your evidence: where is that rudimentary negative review that is considered valid and a great source of information, just because it’s negative? Or anything even remotely similar to that?

I won't skim through 82 pages just to prove my point, but there are a bunch of negative reviews that came out before the album was released that got a lot of attention and highlight here - relevant or not, well written or not, detailed enough or not. Some people are choosing to hate whatever comes from SOA and are making a point of posting here in a topic that's supposed to be for fans who want to follow that band and be informed about it. The level of hate this is getting is not experienced towards ANY band here in DTF.

I think you are mistaken, I don't recall seeing a very bad review of them. Some  are over the top good at most is the one someone wrote here and even that it was a 7. Which Derek dismissed him as being a fan boy or something like that.

[Stadler]

That DTP shirt is amazing.

I'd wear that in a heartbeat.   After writing him off for years, Devin Townsend is SCREAMING up my list of favorite artists like a moon shot.  That's my sense of humor right there (and, incidentally the way I took Derek's comment on "history"; not serious but self-deprecating as he noodled in the studio).

This is only slightly off-topic but did you ever see the video of him singing Burning My Soul with PSMS at ProgNation At Sea 2014? Not work safe cause of language, but man. Funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxKKI233rHE

"C'mon you prog fuckin' geeks!" and later, "As a group of men, I say unto thee..."  At least he knows his audience.    

What did the band say about that?   That seems to be in line with the Devin that I have (albeit in limited fashion) been exposed to, and in keeping with his sense of humor.    But I can see the band saying "Not funny, dude."   

[Adami]

Yea, MP doesn't seem to show a lot of self-deprecating humor, but that's what Devin does better than other musicians.

[Stadler]

Yea, MP doesn't seem to show a lot of self-deprecating humor, but that's what Devin does better than other musicians.

I'm not professing to be a Devin Townsend expert now, but from what I gather, from his book and some of the writings on his website, he's FAR more about the process than the output.   It's the emotion that went into the creation, where his head was at, and what he was trying to explore by letting that music out.   Mike strikes me as far more into the output.  This is my song, this is my statement, recognize it.   Those two outlooks could NOT be more polar opposites.   

[The Walrus]

This is only slightly off-topic but did you ever see the video of him singing Burning My Soul with PSMS at ProgNation At Sea 2014? Not work safe cause of language, but man. Funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxKKI233rHE

"C'mon you prog fuckin' geeks!" and later, "As a group of men, I say unto thee..."  At least he knows his audience.    

What did the band say about that?   That seems to be in line with the Devin that I have (albeit in limited fashion) been exposed to, and in keeping with his sense of humor.    But I can see the band saying "Not funny, dude."

I don't know about any comments from the band but it looks like Mike was having a hell of a time during that. Some YouTube comments tell me that some people in the audience were NOT having fun. Unless you were talking about Dream Theater... then I have no idea if they've even seen that.

[devieira73]

it's no review, it's just naming some bandnames and mentioning the bandmembers saying they're doing their thing. no insight into the music or anything like it. remove the hypewords and there's nothing left..

But if it was negative, all of a sudden it would turn into a valid review for the eyes and ears of those who don't like the band. And all of a sudden, Metal Hammer would be a great source of information for metal news.

120% this, RodrigoAltaf.

240% delusion.

There's evidence of that in this very thread...

If you think that some people here are unreasonable towards SoA, that’s a point of view you could probably defend, but definitely not by being equally or even more unreasonable than them. But ok, I’ll bite, let’s see your evidence: where is that rudimentary negative review that is considered valid and a great source of information, just because it’s negative? Or anything even remotely similar to that?

I won't skim through 82 pages just to prove my point, but there are a bunch of negative reviews that came out before the album was released that got a lot of attention and highlight here - relevant or not, well written or not, detailed enough or not. Some people are choosing to hate whatever comes from SOA and are making a point of posting here in a topic that's supposed to be for fans who want to follow that band and be informed about it. The level of hate this is getting is not experienced towards ANY band here in DTF.

I think you are mistaken, I don't recall seeing a very bad review of them. Some  are over the top good at most is the one someone wrote here and even that it was a 7. Which Derek dismissed him as being a fan boy or something like that.

So the consensus here now is that, outside this forum, the overall reviews of the album are good to very good? I’m truly confused, because I understood that the point here was to prove the other way round, at least for the so called well written reviews.

[Stadler]

This is only slightly off-topic but did you ever see the video of him singing Burning My Soul with PSMS at ProgNation At Sea 2014? Not work safe cause of language, but man. Funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxKKI233rHE

"C'mon you prog fuckin' geeks!" and later, "As a group of men, I say unto thee..."  At least he knows his audience.    

What did the band say about that?   That seems to be in line with the Devin that I have (albeit in limited fashion) been exposed to, and in keeping with his sense of humor.    But I can see the band saying "Not funny, dude."

I don't know about any comments from the band but it looks like Mike was having a hell of a time during that. Some YouTube comments tell me that some people in the audience were NOT having fun. Unless you were talking about Dream Theater... then I have no idea if they've even seen that.

Well, that explains Devin pointing at people and saying "You hate me!  I can tell!"  Haha.  I like artists that challenge like that.   

[bill1971]

it's no review, it's just naming some bandnames and mentioning the bandmembers saying they're doing their thing. no insight into the music or anything like it. remove the hypewords and there's nothing left..

But if it was negative, all of a sudden it would turn into a valid review for the eyes and ears of those who don't like the band. And all of a sudden, Metal Hammer would be a great source of information for metal news.

120% this, RodrigoAltaf.

240% delusion.

There's evidence of that in this very thread...

If you think that some people here are unreasonable towards SoA, that’s a point of view you could probably defend, but definitely not by being equally or even more unreasonable than them. But ok, I’ll bite, let’s see your evidence: where is that rudimentary negative review that is considered valid and a great source of information, just because it’s negative? Or anything even remotely similar to that?

I won't skim through 82 pages just to prove my point, but there are a bunch of negative reviews that came out before the album was released that got a lot of attention and highlight here - relevant or not, well written or not, detailed enough or not. Some people are choosing to hate whatever comes from SOA and are making a point of posting here in a topic that's supposed to be for fans who want to follow that band and be informed about it. The level of hate this is getting is not experienced towards ANY band here in DTF.

I think you are mistaken, I don't recall seeing a very bad review of them. Some  are over the top good at most is the one someone wrote here and even that it was a 7. Which Derek dismissed him as being a fan boy or something like that.

So the consensus here now is that, outside this forum, the overall reviews of the album are good to very good? I’m truly confused, because I understood that the point here was to prove the other way round, at least for the so called well written reviews.

I don't think the point anyone had was to show the album got bad reviews. I know many here did not like it and many including Bosk, the forum admin did like it. I think the "poking fun" is towards the sales and venue sizes. Also towards DS and MP's arrogance. It seemed to get a lot of good reviews. It's not a bad album at all, just nothing new or to me worth going back to.

[devieira73]

Cool, I guess this thread became really a mess, too much noise in any discussion 

[Lethean]

This is only slightly off-topic but did you ever see the video of him singing Burning My Soul with PSMS at ProgNation At Sea 2014? Not work safe cause of language, but man. Funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxKKI233rHE

"C'mon you prog fuckin' geeks!" and later, "As a group of men, I say unto thee..."  At least he knows his audience.    

What did the band say about that?   That seems to be in line with the Devin that I have (albeit in limited fashion) been exposed to, and in keeping with his sense of humor.    But I can see the band saying "Not funny, dude."

I don't know about any comments from the band but it looks like Mike was having a hell of a time during that. Some YouTube comments tell me that some people in the audience were NOT having fun. Unless you were talking about Dream Theater... then I have no idea if they've even seen that.

Well, that explains Devin pointing at people and saying "You hate me!  I can tell!"  Haha.  I like artists that challenge like that.

I'm pretty sure Mike was fine with it - he posted something about it either on FB or his forum saying that it was all in fun. 

In general, I find his humor at shows to be hit or miss.  I don't mind a few comments over the course of a show, and I've seen him like that and prefer it. A couple times he's been just a bit too much - making me want him to just shut up and play already.

[KevShmev]

Yea, MP doesn't seem to show a lot of self-deprecating humor, but that's what Devin does better than other musicians.

I'm not professing to be a Devin Townsend expert now, but from what I gather, from his book and some of the writings on his website, he's FAR more about the process than the output.   It's the emotion that went into the creation, where his head was at, and what he was trying to explore by letting that music out.   Mike strikes me as far more into the output.  This is my song, this is my statement, recognize it.   Those two outlooks could NOT be more polar opposites.

Plus, Devin is actually appreciative of every single one of his fans.  Seriously, I went to his show here back in May, where there couldn't have been more than a few hundred people, and he had so much joy and enthusiasm you would have thought he was playing to 20K.  Devin is easily THE most fan-friendly musician in the business these days.

Also, I would have bought that DTP shirt at the show had they had it in my size.

[Adami]

Even though I don't dig his newer music quite as much, Devin will always be my favorite musician as a person.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I love that performance. Devin's hilarious in his rambles on the verses, but man, he really tears it up on the chorus. So energy! Power!

[Adami]

I love that performance. Devin's hilarious in his rambles on the verses, but man, he really tears it up on the chorus. So energy! Power!

I've rarely seen anyone so confidently not know the song lol

But yea, when he actually screams burning my soul.....shivers.

[TAC]

I like Devin Townsend. Just not his music.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Man, then what are you doing in the Devin Townsend thread?

[Madman Shepherd]

That DTP shirt is amazing.

I'd wear that in a heartbeat.   After writing him off for years, Devin Townsend is SCREAMING up my list of favorite artists like a moon shot.  That's my sense of humor right there (and, incidentally the way I took Derek's comment on "history"; not serious but self-deprecating as he noodled in the studio).

This is only slightly off-topic but did you ever see the video of him singing Burning My Soul with PSMS at ProgNation At Sea 2014? Not work safe cause of language, but man. Funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxKKI233rHE

I prefer the new lyrics Devin sang:

As a group of men, I say unto thee...
I say it's green, then you sir say it's red
What's my next line
Keep your thoughts and ideas locked in your head you dick!
We have someone who can sing this instead, thank god
And he sounds just like James LaBrie!

[ariich]

I respectfully do not agree with that.    That's the musical equivalent of "did you see what she was wearing?" or "I know you are but what am I?", that game that school kids play.    Regardless of anything Derek did, we have a personal responsibility to control our own behavior.    It's one thing to say, in response to Derek's comments, "I don't agree with that", or even "I don't feel comfortable supporting that project."    It's entirely another thing to call Derek names, ascribe motivations (that we have no way of knowing) and by proxy ascribing this all to Mike as well (because apparently, being the final arbiter of decisions in the band seems to make you responsible for pre-approving any social media release even on other people's personal twitter account).  Either way, though, own the response, don't blame the band.

This is exactly the issue I have with this thread. Double standards.

[Madman Shepherd]

I respectfully do not agree with that.    That's the musical equivalent of "did you see what she was wearing?" or "I know you are but what am I?", that game that school kids play.    Regardless of anything Derek did, we have a personal responsibility to control our own behavior.    It's one thing to say, in response to Derek's comments, "I don't agree with that", or even "I don't feel comfortable supporting that project."    It's entirely another thing to call Derek names, ascribe motivations (that we have no way of knowing) and by proxy ascribing this all to Mike as well (because apparently, being the final arbiter of decisions in the band seems to make you responsible for pre-approving any social media release even on other people's personal twitter account).  Either way, though, own the response, don't blame the band.

This is exactly the issue I have with this thread. Double standards.

I see a lot of that also, but probably not in the way you're thinking. 

[cramx3]

That DTP shirt is amazing.

I'd wear that in a heartbeat.   After writing him off for years, Devin Townsend is SCREAMING up my list of favorite artists like a moon shot.  That's my sense of humor right there (and, incidentally the way I took Derek's comment on "history"; not serious but self-deprecating as he noodled in the studio).

This is only slightly off-topic but did you ever see the video of him singing Burning My Soul with PSMS at ProgNation At Sea 2014? Not work safe cause of language, but man. Funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxKKI233rHE

  this guy doesn't like me as he points to Derk Shershersherin

[bosk1]

I think Mike's comment about this place being full of trolls is starting to hold some weight, no?

No.

Some people are choosing to hate whatever comes from SOA and are making a point of posting here in a topic that's supposed to be for fans who want to follow that band and be informed about it. The level of hate this is getting is not experienced towards ANY band here in DTF.

Well, I have been following the thread for all 82 pages, and I can say without hesitation that what you just said is not even remotely accurate.  If that is what you think, you are not being even slightly objective in your reading of this thread.

[RodrigoAltaf]

I think Mike's comment about this place being full of trolls is starting to hold some weight, no?

No.

Some people are choosing to hate whatever comes from SOA and are making a point of posting here in a topic that's supposed to be for fans who want to follow that band and be informed about it. The level of hate this is getting is not experienced towards ANY band here in DTF.

Well, I have been following the thread for all 82 pages, and I can say without hesitation that what you just said is not even remotely accurate.  If that is what you think, you are not being even slightly objective in your reading of this thread.

Or you're not reading the posts the way I am.

[The Walrus]

Ah, subjective determination of motivation. Sounds like a good proggy title for SoA's next album     

[MirrorMask]

"SDOM", even the acronym works good  I wonder why didn't any other band think of it before 

[Sycsa]

I think Mike's comment about this place being full of trolls is starting to hold some weight, no?

No.

Some people are choosing to hate whatever comes from SOA and are making a point of posting here in a topic that's supposed to be for fans who want to follow that band and be informed about it. The level of hate this is getting is not experienced towards ANY band here in DTF.

Well, I have been following the thread for all 82 pages, and I can say without hesitation that what you just said is not even remotely accurate.  If that is what you think, you are not being even slightly objective in your reading of this thread.

Or you're not reading the posts the way I am.

Methinks you could use a little self-examination. I called you out on your obvious BS on the previous page, and your reply was "I won't skim through 82 pages just to prove my point." Nice. It's really hard to take your "points" and your biased, baseless generalizations seriously.

[RodrigoAltaf]

I think Mike's comment about this place being full of trolls is starting to hold some weight, no?

No.

Some people are choosing to hate whatever comes from SOA and are making a point of posting here in a topic that's supposed to be for fans who want to follow that band and be informed about it. The level of hate this is getting is not experienced towards ANY band here in DTF.

Well, I have been following the thread for all 82 pages, and I can say without hesitation that what you just said is not even remotely accurate.  If that is what you think, you are not being even slightly objective in your reading of this thread.

Or you're not reading the posts the way I am.

Methinks you could use a little self-examination. I called you out on your obvious BS on the previous page, and your reply was "I won't skim through 82 pages just to prove my point." Nice. It's really hard to take your "points" and your biased, baseless generalizations seriously.

I think you're the one who needs self examination, because my point of view still stands: a lot of people in this thread are determined to hate SOA, no matter what. And I suggest we stop our little debate right there, because it's not going anywhere.

[bosk1]

Yes, the debate does need to stop.  There is no evidence of "a lot of people in this thread are determined to hate SOA, no matter what," so please stop misrepresenting people that post here.

[Adami]

I am determined to hate SOA no matter what.


Service Oriented Architecture needs to be stopped, once and for all!

[bosk1]

I knew it would be you.

[Adami]

I knew it would be you.

It's a matter of principle.

[hefdaddy42]

[the keyboard wizard]

Here's a new interview of Derek done by me : https://blogofapollo.wordpress.com/2017/12/12/premier-article-de-blog/