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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #140 on: July 24, 2017, 09:05:34 AM »
I remember reading a couple years ago that Irving was not at all pleased that Lebron came back to Cleveland, because he (Irving) was wanting to be the lead banana. But he kept his mouth shut for the most part because they won a title and LBJ was the favored son. But with Cleveland not doing anything this offseason, and the GM leaving, Irving probably sees the writing on the wall. For example:

If LBJ leaves in free agency, the whole team is still way over the cap with nowhere near good enough players to truthfully win win, and Irving would be stuck (like Westbrook) on a mediocre team.

If LBJ stays, Irving will never be able to get out of LBJ's shadow like he wants to, and chances are, the team is so strapped cash-wise, and so void of seriously high end talent after LBJ and himself, they likely won't win again.

So, I get it, honestly.

I think the teams rumored (including Minnesota) to be his favored destinations are a longshot, except for Miami and San Antonio. Those two seem plausible to me. New York won't part with Porzingis, and Cleveland wants more than Carmelo and a first rounder. And Minnesota -- the Wolves can't part with Teague until Dec. 15, since he was signed as a free agent, and there's no way they are parting with Wiggins. So, I think that's a nonstarter. As for Boston -- I don't see Cleveland wanting Thomas, and I don't think you pair Irving and Thomas in the backcourt. While Boston has the picks and young talent Cleveland might want, I just don't think they'd pull the trigger.

It'd be interesting if San Antonio offered Aldridge, a first rounder, and say Patty Mills. *I* wouldn't do that trade if I was Cleveland's GM, but I could see them wanting to get something. Miami doesn't have enough talent, IMO, to get Irving. Unless, of course, the Heat decide to just ante up their next couple of first round picks and Whiteside. But Whiteside has to be someone that Irving would want to play with, so that makes no sense.

Simply put, I think LBJ and Irving are GONE. The franchise knows it, and now other teams know it, and guys want out. Would not surprise me one iota of Dan Gilbert gave the OK on a complete fire sale with the eye on picks and young talent.
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #141 on: July 24, 2017, 06:09:33 PM »
The Cavs know Irving is a goner, like most have suggested already... that's why they signed D-Rose for $2.1M to the IL...
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2017, 06:47:29 AM »
I don't blame Irving for wanting out of Cleveland. The team's management is a disaster and it's likely that LeBron jumps ship next summer.

In hindsight, letting David Griffin go might have been the beginning of the end. What an incredibly bad move by Dan Gilbert. By not giving Griffin that extra $3 or $4 million a year, the team's value is going to decrease by like 50% over the next couple of years because of star-player departures. :facepalm:
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #143 on: July 26, 2017, 09:31:38 AM »
I don't blame Irving for wanting out of Cleveland. The team's management is a disaster and it's likely that LeBron jumps ship next summer.

In hindsight, letting David Griffin go might have been the beginning of the end. What an incredibly bad move by Dan Gilbert. By not giving Griffin that extra $3 or $4 million a year, the team's value is going to decrease by like 50% over the next couple of years because of star-player departures. :facepalm:

Yeah, not giving Griffin the autonomy and money he wanted was dumb. Apparently Gilbert underpays a lot of staff (according to the idiot that is Stephen A. Smith). So, I am not surprised. Cleveland is done. Lebron is going to leave, using Griffin, the drama with Irving, etc., as an excuse to leave. Irving will follow suit (whether as a FA, or through a trade). And all those bloated contracts on the roster is going to sink Cleveland once it happens.

If they are smart, they start shedding now. They are losing Lebron. Everyone knows it. So clean house and get the franchise under better fiscal terms.
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #144 on: July 26, 2017, 07:24:04 PM »

Yeah, not giving Griffin the autonomy and money he wanted was dumb. Apparently Gilbert underpays a lot of staff (according to the idiot that is Stephen A. Smith). So, I am not surprised. Cleveland is done. Lebron is going to leave, using Griffin, the drama with Irving, etc., as an excuse to leave. Irving will follow suit (whether as a FA, or through a trade). And all those bloated contracts on the roster is going to sink Cleveland once it happens.

If they are smart, they start shedding now. They are losing Lebron. Everyone knows it. So clean house and get the franchise under better fiscal terms.

They are, or in particular, Gilbert is anything but smart ever since they got LBJ back.

By the way, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, one Kyrie trade rumor I heard involves Eric Bledsoe to the Cavs... why would anyone want Bledsoe? For one thing, he needs the ball to be effective, yet his D is iffy at best...
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #145 on: July 27, 2017, 07:15:15 AM »
If the Cavs traded for Bledsoe, my understanding is that they would also want Josh Jackson. So they get a second-rate version of Kyrie for the short term and a good prospect for the long term. However, I just read that the Suns are refusing to trade Jackson, so maybe this is all moot.
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« Reply #146 on: July 27, 2017, 07:58:02 AM »
Yeah, Jackson is one of the best prospects in this draft class (if he can improve his shot) so it makes sense that the Suns don't want to part ways with him. Cleveland will have a hard time moving Kyrie since most teams won't be willing to trade their current players and CAP space all around the league is almost non-existent
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #147 on: July 27, 2017, 08:06:34 AM »
Apparently the Suns won't part with Jackson, so until they do, or the Cavs back down, I think that's dead in the water.

The Wolves, however, are seriously in play. They are willing to part with Wiggins to make this happen. Aside from being a hardcore Wolves fan, I'm really big on Wiggins. I think he can be the NBA's leading scorer at some point soon. I honestly don't want him leaving.

However, if you can get Kyrie Irving for Wiggins, a salary (Cole Aldrich) and a lottery protected pick, I think you do that. The problem is the lineup. The Wolves just signed Jeff Teague to play PG and he can't be traded before Dec. 15. Having a starting backcourt with two guys under 6'3"...hmm. I mean, the Pistons pulled it off back in the day, but you don't see it much now.

Personally, I would hold on to Wiggins because of this. Sure, Irving is a champion, and an All Star. But Wiggins' improvement each year and star ability is right there. Plus he's more versatile than Irving, because Wiggins can play SG or SF. And with Teague on the roster, I think you need Wiggins' versatility and length.

It'll be interesting to see what they do. Thibs is really high on Wiggins. It would NOT surprise me if Thibs decided to offer the next two or three first round picks at Cleveland (if that is permitted by rules) and a salary (Aldrich) and see if he could simply add Irving for that. I doubt Cleveland would take that, however. But if they want to get younger, that's a way to do it.

Given the youth of the Wolves' roster, that would work for them. They don't have to worry too much about bringing in any more young guys. But again, I doubt Cleveland makes a trade with the Wolves like that. They'll probably demand Wiggins. If it was me, I wouldn't, but I could see Thibs doing it depending on how it is structured. The Wolves would need a swingman (SG/SF) too.

It'd be REALLY interesting if they decided to trade Irving AND Love to the Wolves for Wiggins, three first rounders, and Dieng (the latter would make the salary work, I believe). I think that trade is plausible, but not entirely sure either side would do it. Dieng is a lot better than people think.
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #148 on: July 27, 2017, 08:42:20 AM »
I'm curious to see how Irving does in a lead role. His regular season statistical profile paints a picture of someone who is slightly overrated offensively and a massive minus defensively. However, his playoff value is huge because of his ability to make tough shots and swing a series if he gets hot. I could see him relishing the new opportunity to become a top-ten player, but I could also see him becoming this generation's Allen Iverson, scoring lots of baskets but not impacting winning in a meaningful way.
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #149 on: July 27, 2017, 10:24:20 AM »
I'm curious to see how Irving does in a lead role. His regular season statistical profile paints a picture of someone who is slightly overrated offensively and a massive minus defensively. However, his playoff value is huge because of his ability to make tough shots and swing a series if he gets hot. I could see him relishing the new opportunity to become a top-ten player, but I could also see him becoming this generation's Allen Iverson, scoring lots of baskets but not impacting winning in a meaningful way.

You're dead on here. Which is why I'm curious why the Wolves (who lack defense) are eyeing this. Teague is a better defender, which was one of the areas the team needed to improve on. If they can't significantly improve on D or from the perimeter, why entertain this move? Irving does not shoot better than Teague from 3, and he's a lesser defender.

Seems to me the smart play would be to stand pat.

The Knicks, on the other hand...I'd be interested to see if they'd nix all the Houston talk and re-engage with Cleveland. I could see something like Carmelo, the rookie point guard the Knicks just drafted, and the next two first round picks for Irving, and a bench guy if they needed it for salary considerations.

It would be a perfect fit for NY, who would then pair Irving with Porzingis and Hermangomez, giving them a young big 3 to build around, and give Cleveland Lebron, Carmelo, Love, and Rose, which, if Rose plays up to his potential and stays healthy (the big IF), that's pretty formidable.
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #152 on: August 10, 2017, 08:11:47 AM »
Oh, come on, Z-Bo, you have been a model citizen for such a long time down in Memphis, and now this?! I am very disappointed at you.  :'(

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« Reply #153 on: August 12, 2017, 08:57:05 PM »
It is just a matter of time before we go all paperless.

I've been to a few events that went paperless. It felt weird (and somewhat unsecured) at first, but I can see the convenience side of things.

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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #154 on: August 12, 2017, 10:21:08 PM »
It is just a matter of time before we go all paperless.

I've been to a few events that went paperless. It felt weird (and somewhat unsecured) at first, but I can see the convenience side of things.

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I love paperless for most of life, traditional book reading an exception for a couple of reasons. I absolutely adore paperless tickets for events. I have always had weird anxiety of "did I remember the ticket(s)!?!? *checkes for the 6th time*. This is even sometimes with something like a parking garage ticket. So having a paperless ticket solves this issue for me completely. I still preload the ticket into the tickets/passbook or whatever, but I wouldn't have significant anxiety if I didn't. Because it's a simple going to my purchase, and a few taps and there it is.

Plus I'm a tree hugger, so there is that too.  ;D That said, for those that like to collect tickets/scrapbook, this sucks. It's nearly the equivalent of not being able to have physical media for music and etc.
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #155 on: August 13, 2017, 04:08:18 AM »
I love paperless for most of life, traditional book reading an exception for a couple of reasons. I absolutely adore paperless tickets for events. I have always had weird anxiety of "did I remember the ticket(s)!?!? *checkes for the 6th time*. This is even sometimes with something like a parking garage ticket. So having a paperless ticket solves this issue for me completely. I still preload the ticket into the tickets/passbook or whatever, but I wouldn't have significant anxiety if I didn't. Because it's a simple going to my purchase, and a few taps and there it is.

Plus I'm a tree hugger, so there is that too.  ;D That said, for those that like to collect tickets/scrapbook, this sucks. It's nearly the equivalent of not being able to have physical media for music and etc.

I agreed with you on most points above, but it does suck for me since I am a ticket collector. I have tickets of concerts, games and other events from as far back as the late 80's... that Animals As Leaders concert I attend this Feb was the first one I used a digital ticket. It was convenience, but I could no longer have a ticket to keep... oh well, guess that's something I have to accept in this digital age, huh?
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Re: NBA thread 2017-18 v. I dub thee champions
« Reply #156 on: August 15, 2017, 09:33:03 AM »
Anyone here play NBA on PS4 or other gaming systems?

I used to play NBA Live all the time, switched to NBA2k, and then bought NBA Live 2016. But, here we are, before the new season, and I am not sure if I should get Live 2018, or 2k18. Any thoughts from players on which series they prefer and why, generally?

I went with NBA Live 2016 last time, if I remember right, because I felt the marketing for 2k16's story mode was really stupid, and pointed at players who wanted to live to "the life" of an NBA player. That wasn't for me. I just wanted a fun, but realistic game and franchise mode.

But people seem to really gravitate to one game or another, so I was looking for some perspective.
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