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Re: Electoral systems (FPTP vs PR vs whatever America has)
« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2017, 02:40:06 AM »
re: British election I found this to be very entertaining and informative

https://youtu.be/dVbC0jASJYA
Very entertaining for sure, and mostly accurate in terms of the facts but with a huge pro-Corbyn bias, so take some of the narrative with a pinch of salt.

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Re: Electoral systems (FPTP vs PR vs whatever America has)
« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2017, 06:05:50 AM »
re: British election I found this to be very entertaining and informative

https://youtu.be/dVbC0jASJYA
Very entertaining for sure, and mostly accurate in terms of the facts but with a huge pro-Corbyn bias, so take some of the narrative with a pinch of salt.

Well yes I understood it was pro corbyn and the guy wasn't hiding from that.  But part of his point was how much Corbyn had been misrepresented, especially by interests who feel threatened by those ideas i.e. Murdoch & Newscorp

p.s.  It also felt very relevant to our situation in Canda or in my province of Québec,  living under similar parliamentary system where the left is also fragmented in multiple parties sharing smilar ideas and the conservatives falling more in line.
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Re: Electoral systems (FPTP vs PR vs whatever America has)
« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2017, 07:44:51 AM »
Yeah but I'm not convinced how much difference that really makes. The right-wing tabloids have a high readership but among people who already agree with them. And conversely, this bias allows hardcore Corbynites to claim that the whole media is biased against him, which similarly solidifies support amongst his own acolytes. So the net effect really isn't very significant in my opinion.

If anything, I think it let's him get away with incompetence and a manifesto that isn't credible because any criticisms are disregarded as anti-Corbyn bias, purely because he's not as completely awful as the tabloids make out.

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Re: Electoral systems (FPTP vs PR vs whatever America has)
« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2017, 08:01:16 AM »
Yeah but I'm not convinced how much difference that really makes. The right-wing tabloids have a high readership but among people who already agree with them. And conversely, this bias allows hardcore Corbynites to claim that the whole media is biased against him, which similarly solidifies support amongst his own acolytes. So the net effect really isn't very significant in my opinion.

If anything, I think it let's him get away with incompetence and a manifesto that isn't credible because any criticisms are disregarded as anti-Corbyn bias, purely because he's not as completely awful as the tabloids make out.

I'm certainly not trying to say Corbyn is beyond reproach, in fact what little exposure I've had leads
me to think he probably could never win a majority, much like I don't think Bernie could have won in the US either.   But some of those newspaper headlines were just bonkers.

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Re: Electoral systems (FPTP vs PR vs whatever America has)
« Reply #74 on: June 09, 2017, 10:41:05 AM »
Corbynites

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Re: Electoral systems (FPTP vs PR vs whatever America has)
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2017, 02:41:44 PM »
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