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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2017, 10:44:33 AM »
How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

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« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2017, 11:12:00 AM »
How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

I don't think is a bad song, it has good melodies, but as a whole I find it a bit boring.. In my case, I don't think there are 'bad' or at least not-good Haken songs.. The thing is more to decide which is better than which..
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2017, 11:17:59 AM »
i think it is actually the weakest haken song, so  :corn
tbh though i still haven't bothered to listen to nobody i just remember it being a less interesting version of somebody

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2017, 11:28:07 AM »
4.   Earthrise defeats Crystallised 9-8

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« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2017, 01:47:29 PM »
4.   Earthrise defeats Crystallised 9-8

This is gold :lol :lol :lol

I know, right?  Earthrise's margin of victory should have been bigger.  :biggrin:

How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

I don't think is a bad song, it has good melodies, but as a whole I find it a bit boring.. In case, I don't think there are 'bad' or at least not-good Haken songs.. The thing is more to decide which is better than which..

I hear ya. :coolio


tbh though i still haven't bothered to listen to nobody i just remember it being a less interesting version of somebody

Agreed.  Somebody is like 299 times better.

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2017, 02:24:18 PM »
How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

Unfortunately with these things, something has got to be at the bottom of the pile, no matter its quality. I wonder, if this ran until every song had faced every other song, which one would it beat?

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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2017, 03:31:05 PM »
How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

Unfortunately with these things, something has got to be at the bottom of the pile, no matter its quality. I wonder, if this ran until every song had faced every other song, which one would it beat?

I don't think it would beat anything.

Also it's sad that Somebody and Bound By Gravity are not in the top 16. Shape up people!

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« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2017, 01:26:38 PM »
Stage 15 Results

Stage 15-A
1.   In Memoriam defeats The Path 10-3
2.   Earthlings defeats Cockroach King 7-6
3.   Deathless defeats Lapse 9-3
4.   Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats Nobody 11-2
5.   Somebody defeats Because It’s There 9-4
6.   Streams & The Point of No Return tied at 6-6

Stage 15-B
1.   The Endless Knot defeats The Mind’s Eye 13-2
2.   Initiate defeats Shapeshifter 12-3
3.   Aquarium defeats Eternal Rain 10-3
4.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Sun 9-5
5.   Crystallised defeats Atlas Stone 9-6

Stage 15-C
1.   Bound by Gravity defeats Insomnia 12-6
2.   Earthrise defeats Premonition 15-3
3.   Pareidolia defeats Darkest Light 17-1
4.   Celestial Elixir defeats As Death Embraces 16-2
5.   The Architect defeats Portals 16-2
6.   Visions defeats Red Giant 11-7
7.   Falling Back to Earth defeats 1985 11-7


Standings after Stage 15 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at season’s end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Celestial Elixir 15-0 (+150)
2. Falling Back to Earth 14-1 (+145)
3. The Architect 14-1 (+136)
4. Pareidolia 13-2 (+117)     
5. Visions 12-2-1 (+60)     
6. The Endless Knot 12-3 (+61) 
7. Aquarium 12-3 (+57)     
8. 1985 11-4 (+63) 
9. Cockroach King 11-4 (+42) 
10. Drowning in the Flood 10-5 (+34)   
11. Initiate 10-5 (+19)   
12. Crystallised 9-5-1 (+30)
13. Streams 8-5-2 (+43)   
14. Atlas Stone 9-6 (+40) 
15. In Memoriam 9-6 (+15)     
16. Earthrise 8-6-1 (+38)   
17. Somebody 7-6-2 (+22)     
18. Deathless 8-7 (+21)       
19. Red Giant 8-7 (+17)   
20. Bound by Gravity 8-7 (+4)   
21. Because It’s There 7-7-1 (-4)   
22. Sun 7-8 (0)   
23. The Point of No Return 6-8-1 (-3) 
24. Nocturnal Conspiracy 6-9 (-16)
25. Earthlings 5-10 (-45)   
26. Insomnia 4-10-1 (-45) 
28. Lapse 4-11 (-68)   
28. Eternal Rain 4-11 (-84)     
29. As Death Embraces 3-11-1 (-65)   
30. Shapeshifter 2-11-2 (-66) 
31. Portals 1-12-2 (-91)
32. Premonition 2-13 (-109) 
33. Darkest Light 2-13 (-111)
34. The Path 1-13-1 (-107)
35. Nobody 0-15 (-152)
36. The Mind’s Eye 0-15 (-193)

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2017, 01:18:21 PM »
I know I talked about extending the regular season to 20 rounds... but I think I'll keep it at 15, so that we can start with the tournaments and that this whole thing ends with a decent break before the Haken survivor.

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2017, 01:28:59 PM »
No, we need more rounds to get Deathless and Somebody and Bound by Gravity all into the top 16

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2017, 01:47:04 PM »
Their records can improve in the album tournaments. The final 16 will be locked in after the album tournaments.

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2017, 01:47:26 PM »
Ah. So the album tournaments aren't completely meaningless then.

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« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2017, 01:58:40 PM »
Ah. So the album tournaments aren't completely meaningless then.

Nope..they count..like the DT album tournaments counted before the division format.

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2017, 02:18:23 PM »
I know I talked about extending the regular season to 20 rounds... but I think I'll keep it at 15, so that we can start with the tournaments and that this whole thing ends with a decent break before the Haken survivor.

I can postpone the Haken Survivor, if you want. Or not do it at all this year, since this Survivor has been taking a while already. People might get tired of Haken :p
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #84 on: July 28, 2017, 07:17:51 AM »
Aquarius Tournament

1.   Celestial Elixir
2.   Aquarium
3.   Drowning in the Flood
4.   Streams
5.   Sun
6.   The Point of No Return
7.   Eternal Rain

Opening Round (Celestial Elixir has a bye) - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50550.0

4. Streams defeats 5. Sun 9-6
6. The Point of No Return defeats 3. Drowning in the Flood 8-7
2. Aquarium defeats 7. Eternal Rain 12-3

Semifinals - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50562.0

1. Celestial Elixir defeats 4. Streams 15-2
2. Aquarium defeats 6. The Point of No Return 11-5

Championship Match - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50578.0

1. Celestial Elixir defeats  2. Aquarium 12-5

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2017, 04:15:26 AM »
Visions Tournament

1.   Visions
2.   Deathless
3.   Nocturnal Conspiracy
4.   Insomnia
5.   Shapeshifter
6.   Portals
7.   Premonition
8.   The Mind’s Eye


Opening Round Results - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50554.0


1. Visions defeats 8. The Mind’s Eye 17-1
4. Insomnia defeats 5. Shapeshifter 10-7
3. Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats 6. Portals 13-4
2. Deathless defeats 7. Premonition 11-6


Semifinals - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50566.0


1.  Visions defeats 4. Insomnia 14-3
3. Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats 2. Deathless 9-8



Championship Match - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50583.0

1.   Visions defeats 3. Nocturnal Conspiracy 10-8

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2017, 05:38:50 AM »
I must say, I'm beginning to think of Visions as Haken's equivalent to A Change of Seasons, in the sense that, despite a quite vocal band of detractors for the song, there are still enough people on its side to put it at number 1.

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #87 on: August 03, 2017, 08:42:49 AM »
it didn't even make the finals in the last haken survivor iirc  :lol

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2017, 12:30:58 PM »
The Mountain Album Tournament
1.   Falling Back to Earth
2.   Pareidolia
3.   Cockroach King 
4.   Atlas Stone
5.   In Memoriam
6.   Somebody
7.   Because It’s There
8.   As Death Embraces
9.   The Path


Opening Round - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50577.0

8. As Death Embraces defeats 9. The Path 8-5

Quarterfinals - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50590.0

1. Falling Back to Earth defeats 8. As Death Embraces 14-3 
5. In Memoriam defeats 4. Atlas Stone 9-8 
3. Cockroach King defeats 6. Somebody 11-6
2. Pareidolia defeats 7. Because It’s There 16-1

Semifinals - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50598.0
1. Falling Back to Earth defeats 5. In Memoriam 12-4
2. Pareidolia defeats 3. Cockroach King 9-7

Championship - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50616.0

1.   Falling Back to Earth defeats 2. Pareidolia 9-7

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #89 on: August 03, 2017, 12:33:05 PM »
Affinity Album Tournament

1. The Architect
2. The Endless Knot
3. 1985
4. Initiate
5. Earthrise
6. Red Giant
7. Bound by Gravity
8. Lapse

Opening Round - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50593.0

1. The Architect defeats 8. Lapse 12-3
4. Initiate defeats 5. Earthrise 9-6
3. 1985 defeats 6. Red Giant 10-5
2. The Endless Knot defeats 7. Bound by Gravity 9-6

Semifinals - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50603.0

1. The Architect defeats 4. Initiate 11-3
2. The Endless Knot defeats 1985 9-7

Championship Match - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50621.0

1. The Architect defeats 2. The Endless Knot 10-6





Stay tuned for final season rankings, a 16 song Championship Tournament, an 8 Song Consolation Tournament, and an Album Tournament.

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« Reply #90 on: August 03, 2017, 01:34:58 PM »
So these are the almost final standings. I'll break the ties when I get to my home computer... unless someone beats me to it lol.

Standings after Album Tournaments.

 Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament

Next 8 songs qualify for the Consolation Tournament

Final Standings Tiebreakers for songs with the same winning percentage.

1. Head to head record.
2. Winning Percentage against common opponents.
3. Strength of Victory.
4. Strength of Schedule.
5. Point differential.

Championship Tournament Qualifiers

1. Celestial Elixir 17-0 (+170) 1.000
2. Falling Back to Earth 17-1 (+166) .944
2. The Architect 17-1 (+157) .944
4. Visions 15-2-1 (+89) .861   
5. Pareidolia 15-3 (+132) .833   
6. The Endless Knot 14-4 (+62) .778
6. Aquarium 14-4 (+65) .778     
8. 1985 12-5 (+66) .706
8. Cockroach King 12-5 (+45) .706
10. Initiate 11-6 (+14) .647   
11. Crystallised 9-5-1 (+30) .633
12. Drowning in the Flood 10-6 (+33)  .625 
13. Streams 9-6-2 (+33) .588 
13. In Memoriam 10-7 (+8) .588     
15. Atlas Stone 9-7 (+39) .563 
16. Earthrise 8-7-1 (+35) .531 

Consolation Tournament Qualifiers
17. Deathless 9-8 (+25) .529     
18. Somebody 7-7-2 (+17) .500   
18. Red Giant 8-8 (+12) .500 
18. Bound by Gravity 8-8 (+1) .500 
21. Because It’s There 7-8-1 (-19) .468 
22. Nocturnal Conspiracy 8-10 (-8) .444
23. The Point of No Return 7-9-1 (-8) .441
24. Sun 7-9 (-3) .438   

The Rest
25. Earthlings 5-10 (-45)  .333
26. Insomnia 5-11-1 (-53) .324
27. Lapse 4-12 (-77) .250   
27. Eternal Rain 4-12 (-93) .250   
29. As Death Embraces 4-12-1 (-73) .265   
30. Shapeshifter 2-12-2 (-69).188 
31. Portals 1-13-2 (-100) .125
32. Premonition 2-14 (-114) 
33. Darkest Light 2-13 (-111) .133
34. The Path 1-14-1 (-110) .094
35. Nobody 0-15 (-152) .000
35. The Mind’s Eye 0-16 (-209) .000

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #91 on: August 03, 2017, 05:22:47 PM »
There's atleast three songs in consolations that should have been in top 16.  :sadpanda:

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #92 on: August 03, 2017, 06:11:55 PM »
I agree, deathless, somebody, and bound by gravity are way better than some songs in the top 15

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« Reply #93 on: August 03, 2017, 07:27:13 PM »
Agreed.. And add Nocturnal Conspiracy to that list..
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #94 on: August 04, 2017, 12:02:19 AM »
nah  :corn

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« Reply #95 on: August 04, 2017, 02:09:59 AM »
Red Giant tho
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« Reply #96 on: August 04, 2017, 03:44:14 AM »
I don't understand other people. :(

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« Reply #97 on: August 04, 2017, 12:31:31 PM »
Look on the bright side, if you really like one of the songs in the Consolation Tournament, at least they have a chance of winning their tournament instead of being steamrolled by an epic.

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« Reply #98 on: August 04, 2017, 12:40:44 PM »
Deathless, Somebody, Nocturnal Conspiracy and Sun all deserve to be in the Finals instead of Earthrise, Atlas Stone, Cockroach King and Streams.

Well, I will indeed support them in the Consolation Tournament.
This first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

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« Reply #99 on: August 04, 2017, 05:19:26 PM »
Look on the bright side, if you really like one of the songs in the Consolation Tournament, at least they have a chance of winning their tournament instead of being steamrolled by an epic.
I suppose it's not called the Consolation Tournament for nothing.

Overall that ranking is just so far away from what my own would look like. :lol

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« Reply #100 on: August 06, 2017, 08:36:41 AM »
Final Standings, including Tiebreakers for the songs in the two tournaments.

Championship Tournament Qualifiers
1. Celestial Elixir 17-0 (+170) 1.000
2. Falling Back to Earth 17-1 (+166) .944
3. The Architect 17-1 (+157) .944
4. Visions 15-2-1 (+89) .861   
5. Pareidolia 15-3 (+132) .833   
6. Aquarium 14-4 (+65) .778     
7. The Endless Knot 14-4 (+62) .778
8. 1985 12-5 (+66) .706
9. Cockroach King 12-5 (+45) .706
10. Initiate 11-6 (+14) .647   
11. Crystallised 9-5-1 (+30) .633
12. Drowning in the Flood 10-6 (+33) .625 
13. Streams 9-6-2 (+33) .588 
14. In Memoriam 10-7 (+8) .588     
15. Atlas Stone 9-7 (+39) .563 
16. Earthrise 8-7-1 (+35) .531 

Consolation Tournament Qualifiers
17. Deathless 9-8 (+25) .529     
18. Red Giant 8-8 (+12) .500 
19. Bound by Gravity 8-8 (+1) .500 
20. Somebody 7-7-2 (+17) .500   
21. Because It’s There 7-8-1 (-19) .468 
22. Nocturnal Conspiracy 8-10 (-8) .444
23. The Point of No Return 7-9-1 (-8) .441
24. Sun 7-9 (-3) .438   

The Rest
25. Earthlings 5-10 (-45)  .333
26. Insomnia 5-11-1 (-53) .324
27. Lapse 4-12 (-77) .250   
27. Eternal Rain 4-12 (-93) .250   
29. As Death Embraces 4-12-1 (-73) .265   
30. Shapeshifter 2-12-2 (-69).188 
31. Portals 1-13-2 (-100) .125
32. Premonition 2-14 (-114) 
33. Darkest Light 2-13 (-111) .133
34. The Path 1-14-1 (-110) .094
35. Nobody 0-15 (-152) .000
35. The Mind’s Eye 0-16 (-209) .000


Final Standings Tiebreakers for songs with the same winning percentage.

1. Head to head record.
2. Winning Percentage against common opponents.
3. Strength of Victory. (Winning percentage of opponents defeated combined)
4. Strength of Schedule. (Winning percentage of opponents combined)
5. Point differential.



Tiebreakers

#2 Seed. Falling Back to Earth & Architect, 17-1 – .944
Tiebreaker 1 – Head to head record – Songs did not face off in the regular season.
Tiebreaker 2 – Winning Percentage against common opponents – The same (Both lost to Celestial Elixir)
Tiebreaker 3 – Strength of Victory , Falling Back to Earth = 145-136-6 .516, The Architect = 119-153-6 278 .439

#6 Seed. Aquarium & The Endless Knot
Tiebreaker 1 – Head to head record - Aquarium defeated The Endless Knot 11-10 in Stage 6.

#8 Seed. 1985 & Cockroach King
Tiebreaker 1- Head to head record – Songs did not face off in the regular season.
Tiebreaker 2 – Winning Percentage against common opponents (Earthlings, Nobody, Pareidolia, Red Giant, Streams, Visions)  - 1985 4-2 .667 - Cockroach King 4-2 .667
 Tiebreaker 3 – Strength of Victory, 1985 = 79-111-4 .418, Cockroach King = 72-117-6 .385

#13 Seed. In Memoriam & Streams
Tiebreaker 1 – Head to head record – Songs did not face off in the regular season.
Tiebreaker 2 – Winning Percentage against common opponents (Bound by Gravity, The Endless Knot, Insomnia, Lapse, The Point of No Return) - In Memoriam 2-3 .400 – Streams 3-1-1 .700

#18 Seed. Bound by Gravity, Red Giant, Somebody
Tiebreaker 1 – Head to Head record – N/A songs did not all face each other.
Tiebreaker 2 – Winning Percentage Against common opponent (The Architect & Insomnia) - Bound by Gravity 1-1 .500 – Red Giant 1-1 .500 – Somebody 0-1-1 .250
Tiebreaker 3 Head to Head Record of songs not eliminated in tiebreaker 2 – Red Giant defeats Bound by Gravity 10-9 in Stage 12-C


Tournaments to begin soon.

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« Reply #101 on: August 06, 2017, 09:02:50 PM »
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #102 on: August 12, 2017, 04:43:20 PM »
The Albums

Stage 1
1.   The Mountain defeats Visions 16-4
2.   Aquarius defeats Affinity 11-9

Stage 2
1.   Aquarius defeats Visions 11-4
2.   The Mountain defeats Affinity 8-7 


Stage 3
1.   Affinity defeats Visions 12-4
2.   The Mountain defeats Aquarius 11-5

Final Album Standings
1.   The Mountain 3-0
2.   Aquarius 2-1
3.   Affinity 1-2
4.   Visions 0-3

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2017, 06:17:15 PM »
wow, DTF got something right. literally every match turned out correct

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #104 on: August 12, 2017, 06:52:13 PM »
Yep, definitly I'm satisfied too with these results. The Mountain is their best album with any doubt for me. I also like Affinity, but Aquarius has that specific atmosphere, and Affinity is just a group of very good songs puzzled into an album. On Visions You can find one of my favourite Haken tracks which is Insomnia, but to be honest that's the only one I'm going back to sometimes...