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Haken: The League 2017

For four years, I ran DT: The League. After taking a break from this, I found myself wanting to try the format with a different band. At the same time, I have been getting more and more into Haken and find them to be the perfect band to move forward with.

Haken is incredible. It is no secret that the band is beloved by many here at DTF, so Iím hoping that Hakenís fans participate, and that folks who havenít given them a chance, do so at once.

The 36 songs from their 4 albums and EP will be featured. Each song will have a schedule of head to head matchups with 15 other songs. We will vote for our favorites!

At the end of the 15 round season, there will be album tournaments and then a Championship tournament featuring the top 16 Haken songs to crown the league championship.

Tentative start date of Monday, May 15th. This will wrap up in time for Elite to continue his long running run of Haken survivors.

If there are any questions or comments, please let me know.

This thread will be used for all updates.


Final Standings Tiebreakers (After album tournaments).

1. Head to head record.
2. Winning Percentage against common opponents.
3. Strength of Victory.
4. Strength of Schedule.
5. Point differential.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2017, 11:03:51 AM »
Definitely gonna participate in this. Since Haken don't have as many songs maybe I won't be as lazy and actually will vote in this league.  :tup
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2017, 11:05:58 AM »
I may miss the first few rounds due to a business trip I've got scheduled, but otherwise I'm in!

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2017, 11:25:26 AM »
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 11:58:24 AM »
I have stopped listening to Haken, it seems I'm tired of listening to any of their songs, but they were almost my favourite band. I will relisten and participate :tup
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2017, 01:45:42 PM »
What about the demos though
What about the bonus tracks
(I don't actually care about these)

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2017, 02:28:40 PM »
Fantastic! :caffeine: I'm definitely in!
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2017, 02:30:07 PM »
What about the demos though
What about the bonus tracks
(I don't actually care about these)

The demos attract barely any people in the Survivor format, so entering them would be pointless. The bonus tracks are basically inferior versions of the actual album tracks and as such it doesn't make too much sense to include them either.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2017, 02:49:35 PM »
Oh I am so in.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2017, 03:44:35 PM »
What about the demos though
What about the bonus tracks
(I don't actually care about these)

The demos attract barely any people in the Survivor format, so entering them would be pointless. The bonus tracks are basically inferior versions of the actual album tracks and as such it doesn't make too much sense to include them either.

Nobody is amazing though. I might even like it more than Somebody, and that's my 2nd favourite from The Mountain.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2017, 08:47:19 PM »
Excellent idea!.. I'm in.. :metal
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 06:29:48 AM »
I'd like to keep it at an even number of songs. I could add Nobody  and remove affinity.exe.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 06:56:04 AM »
affinity.exe is a pretty pointless inclusion indeed
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2017, 09:07:51 AM »
Yeah, no point in including affinity.exe, unless you tag it on to Initiate ("affinity.exe/Initiate").
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2017, 09:42:18 AM »
i'd rather you include something like souls from the demos than the bonus tracks tbh  :lol
i think souls was the one that got 3rd place in the survivor last year at least, probably

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2017, 10:34:38 AM »
The demos results have had Snow and Blind as #1 and #2 respectively every year. Souls finished 3rd the first year, 4th the second (behind Sleeping Thoughts Wake) and ended in a tie with STW last year.

If you desperately want to include something from the demos Souls would therefore probably be the best choice, because Snow and Blind have been redone on Restoration.

I would personally leave out the demos, because they attracted 5 voters at most when I did the Survivors. Many people don't know the demos well enough or haven't heard them. This is also what I advised to DoC.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2017, 10:40:37 AM »
Yep, I don't know Souls or any of the demos at all, but I do know Nobody.

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2017, 12:21:01 PM »
Yep, I don't know Souls or any of the demos at all, but I do know Nobody.

This sentence does not make any sense.. :lol
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2017, 12:35:27 PM »
Yep, I don't know Souls or any of the demos at all, but I do know Nobody.

This sentence does not make any sense.. :lol

I know nobody is a valid english sentence even if it's not talking about a song that is called "Nobody".
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2017, 03:48:46 PM »
Yep, I don't know Souls or any of the demos at all, but I do know Nobody.

This sentence does not make any sense.. :lol

I know nobody is a valid english sentence even if it's not talking about a song that is called "Nobody".

I meant the whole sentence, not just the phrase I bolded.. He's like saying "I don't know X and I don't know Y... but I know nobody.."

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2017, 04:14:45 PM »
I never listen to the bonus tracks on the mountain personally so I would always vote against them tbh

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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2017, 05:35:49 PM »
I never listen to the bonus tracks on the mountain personally so I would always vote against them tbh

You say this anytime someone mentions any bonus tracks.  :lol

which is a shame cause Elf Tower New Mexico is a top 3 song on SSTB
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2017, 05:55:50 PM »
Bonus tracks are a bad concept

In the modern age just post the bonus songs online for free and keep them off your discs p l e a s e

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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2017, 05:58:59 PM »
Isn't it a thing that's done mainly for Japan releases cause the people there feel entitled to extra stuff or something?
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2017, 02:49:38 AM »
Bonus tracks are a bad concept

Especially on remasters and rereleases. Yuck.
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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2017, 03:25:04 AM »
Bonus tracks are a bad concept

In the modern age just post the bonus songs online for free and keep them off your discs p l e a s e

This. The Album, as a work of art, is *that* group of tracks in *that* order. Nothing added, nothing taken away. It's like you don't add bonus colours to a painting or bonus movements to a symphony. Those works of art are set, unchangeable. So it should be with albums, for better or for worse.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2017, 06:39:00 AM »
I'm in, in principle. The challenge will be remembering to come into P/S, which I rarely do. :lol

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2017, 04:57:44 AM »
Stage 1-A Results - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50241.0
1.   The Point of No Return defeats In Memoriam 11-7
2.   Portals & Shapeshifter draw, 9-9
3.   Insomnia defeats The Mindís Eye 14-4
4.   Pereidolia defeats Deathless 12-6
5.   Celestial Elixir defeats Premonition 15-3
6.   Atlas Stone defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 13-5
 
Stage 1-B Results - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50247.0
1.       Cockroach King defeats Eternal Rain 12-5
2.       Because Itís There defeats Sun 10-7
3.       Drowning in the Flood defeats As Death Embraces 10-7
4.       Streams defeats Somebody 9-8
5.       Aquarium defeats The Path 15-2
6.       The Endless Knot defeats Initiate 9-8
 
Stage 1-C Results - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50252.0
1.       Earthlings defeats Nobody 11-6
2.       Crystallised defeats Lapse 13-5
3.       Red Giant defeats Darkest Light 13-5
4.       The Architect defeats Earthrise 15-4
5.       1985 defeats Bound by Gravity 12-6
6.     Falling Back to Earth defeats Visions 12-7



Standings after Stage 1(Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end).

1. Aquarium 1-0 (+13)
2. Celestial Elixir 1-0 (+12)
3. The Architect 1-0 (+11)
4. Insomnia 1-0 (+10)
5. Atlas Stone 1-0 (+8)
5. Crystallised 1-0 (+8)
5. Red Giant 1-0 (+8)
8. Cockroach King 1-0 (+7)
9. 1985 1-0 (+6)
9. Pareidolia 1-0 (+6)
11. Earthlings 1-0 (+5)
11. Falling Back to Earth 1-0 (+5)
13. The Point of No Return 1-0 (+4)
14. Because Itís There 1-0 (+3)
14. Drowning in the Flood 1-0 (+3)
16. The Endless Knot 1-0 (+1)
16. Streams 1-0 (+1)
18. Portals 0-0-1 (0)
18. Shapeshifter 0-0-1 (0)
20. Initiate 0-1 (-1)
20. Somebody 0-1 (-1)
22. As Death Embraces 0-1 (-3)
22. Sun 0-1 (-3)
24. In Memoriam 0-1 (-4)
25. Nobody 0-1 (-5)
25. Visions 0-1 (-5)
27. Bound by Gravity 0-1 (-6)
27. Deathless 0-1 (-6)
29. Eternal Rain 0-1 (-7)
30. Darkest Light 0-1 (-8)
31. Lapse 0-1 (-8)
31. Nocturnal Conspiracy 0-1 (-8)
33. The Mindís Eye 0-1 (-10)
34. Earthrise 0-1 (-11)
35. Premonition 0-1 (-12)
36. The Path 0-1 (-13)

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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2017, 03:55:06 PM »
Stage 2 Results

Stage 2-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50265.0
1.   Atlas Stone defeats Insomnia 13-4
2.   Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats Because Itís There 10-7
3.   1985 defeats Nobody 12-4
4.   Aquarium defeats Darkest Light 14-3
5.   Bound by Gravity defeats Earthrise 9-8
6.   Pareidolia defeats Shapeshifter 13-4

Stage 2-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50273.0
1.   The Point of No Return defeats Somebody 10-9
2.   Sun defeats The Path 13-4
3.   The Endless Knot defeats Lapse 14-6
4.   As Death Embraces defeats Eternal Rain 12-7
5.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Earthlings 13-7
6.   Crystallised defeats Streams 11-9

Stage 2-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50275.0
1.   In Memoriam defeats Deathless 11-9
2.   Visions defeats Cockroach King 11-10
3.   Falling Back to Earth defeats Premonition 18-2
4.   Portals defeats The Mindís Eye 13-6
5.   The Architect defeats Red Giant 15-6
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats Initiate 17-4



Standings after Stage 2  (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end).

1. Celestial Elixir 2-0 (+25)
2. Aquarium 2-0 (+24)
3. Falling Back to Earth 2-0 (+21)
4. The Architect 2-0 (+20)
5. Atlas Stone 2-0 (+17)
6. Pareidolia 2-0 (+15)
7. 1985 2-0 (+14)
8. Crystallised 2-0 (+10)
9. Drowning in the Flood 2-0 (+9)
9. The Endless Knot 2-0 (+9)
11. The Point of No Return 2-0 (+5)
12. Portals 1-0-1 (+7)
13. Cockroach King 1-1 (+6)
13. Sun 1-1 (+6)
15. As Death Embraces 1-1 (+2)
16. Insomnia 1-1 (+1)
17. Because Itís There 1-1 (0)
18. Earthlings 1-1 (-1)
18. Red Giant 1-1 (-1)
18. Streams 1-1 (-1)
21. In Memoriam 1-1 (-2)
22. Bound by Gravity 1-1 (-4)
22. Visions 1-1 (-4)
24. Nocturnal Conspiracy 1-1 (-5)
25. Shapeshifter 0-1-1 (-9)
26. Somebody 0-2 (-2)
27. Deathless 0-2 (-8)
28. Earthrise 0-2 (-12)
28. Eternal Rain 0-2 (-12)
30. Nobody 0-2 (-13)
31. Initiate 0-2 (-14)
32. Lapse 0-2 (-16)
33. The Mindís Eye 0-2 (-17)
34. Darkest Light 0-2 (-19)
35. The Path 0-2 (-22)
36. Premonition 0-2 (-28)
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2017, 01:45:00 AM »
Not really any surprises in that top 10 so far, though I'm a little surprised at Deathless doing badly in the first two rounds.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2017, 03:55:32 AM »
Surprised to see Portals in such a high spot. I imagine it will be knocked down a few pegs before this over, but still.
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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2017, 07:05:20 AM »
I love Portals. I would personally put it at around that position as well. The first two matchup were fairly easy, I don't see it winning agaiinst the heavy hitters.
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Re: Haken: The League - 2017
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2017, 09:17:51 AM »
Shame that the demo songs haven't been included, but their only bonus song (Nobody) has.

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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2017, 09:30:35 AM »
I advised DoC against adding the demos (and he figured the same, even before I said anything), because when I ran the Survivor the last three years there were barely any people voting in the demo rounds (5 tops). Adding them here would be pointless, many people have never heard them.
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2017, 09:43:14 AM »
I advised DoC against adding the demos (and he figured the same, even before I said anything), because when I ran the Survivor the last three years there were barely any people voting in the demo rounds (5 tops). Adding them here would be pointless, many people have never heard them.
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