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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #840 on: August 02, 2017, 09:35:14 AM »
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #841 on: August 02, 2017, 09:47:48 AM »
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvPbblJfDc
JSS is such a goofball.  :lol

That delivered.  (Though I'm not sure that's what I want to see from Sons of Apollo).
Hahahaha. So that song was their live debut? LOL. Awesome.

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« Reply #842 on: August 02, 2017, 10:34:07 AM »
Seeing that video, MP looks way more in place. All these guys are rocking and moving along with the music. In DT he was the most visual character because the rest are pretty much statues during a show. I like the energy these guys as a whole radiate.

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« Reply #843 on: August 02, 2017, 10:59:31 AM »
And that video alone convinced me to see them live if I get the chance.
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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #844 on: August 02, 2017, 11:09:16 AM »
It looks like a fun time, but I am not a fan of Roth era Van Halen. Soto doesn't look 51. I'd much rather see Shattered Fortress, but that ain't happening.

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« Reply #845 on: August 02, 2017, 11:12:48 AM »
I like the singer's stage presence.  :metal

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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #846 on: August 02, 2017, 11:17:57 AM »
I just want to take a moment to point out that JSS can't sing Mean Streak.  :D
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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #847 on: August 02, 2017, 11:40:35 AM »
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.

I'm still excited for the album though!

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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #848 on: August 02, 2017, 01:16:25 PM »
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.

I'm still excited for the album though!

This exactly.. Never liked them (or knew about them at all) either.. MP/DS is why most of us are excited anyways..

Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..
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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #849 on: August 02, 2017, 01:27:40 PM »
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.

I'm still excited for the album though!

This exactly.. Never liked them (or knew about them at all) either.. MP/DS is why most of us are excited anyways..

Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #850 on: August 02, 2017, 01:48:30 PM »
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.

I'm still excited for the album though!

This exactly.. Never liked them (or knew about them at all) either.. MP/DS is why most of us are excited anyways..

Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

I agree, specially the bolded part.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #851 on: August 02, 2017, 01:51:51 PM »
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

But did he say that he doesn't practice, or only that he doesn't like to practice?.. Because every musician practice, least a bit, over the years, and more a guy of his age and dedication to the instrument (not to say obsession with it).. I don't hear any improvement in Mangini's playing since he's in DT, but maybe that's just me.. Talking about MP, yes, I agree that in his later years with DT he didn't "evolve" too much.. But even so he managed to create innovating fills every once in a while, like the ones at the start of TCoT..

Anyways, I'm all for listening to some refreshing drumming, but I won't precisely complain if I *just* happen to like the album or his drumming..
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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #852 on: August 02, 2017, 02:19:00 PM »
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

But did he say that he doesn't practice, or only that he doesn't like to practice?.. Because every musician practice, least a bit, over the years, and more a guy of his age and dedication to the instrument (not to say obsession with it).. I don't hear any improvement in Mangini's playing since he's in DT, but maybe that's just me.. Talking about MP, yes, I agree that in his later years with DT he didn't "evolve" too much.. But even so he managed to create innovating fills every once in a while, like the ones at the start of TCoT..

Definitely not Lars Ulrich  :biggrin:
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #853 on: August 02, 2017, 02:29:19 PM »
Lars Ulrich is actually much better nowadays than he was in the DM slump. People need to get off that cirklejerk.

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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #854 on: August 02, 2017, 02:47:07 PM »
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

But did he say that he doesn't practice, or only that he doesn't like to practice?.. Because every musician practice, least a bit, over the years, and more a guy of his age and dedication to the instrument (not to say obsession with it).. I don't hear any improvement in Mangini's playing since he's in DT, but maybe that's just me.. Talking about MP, yes, I agree that in his later years with DT he didn't "evolve" too much.. But even so he managed to create innovating fills every once in a while, like the ones at the start of TCoT..

Anyways, I'm all for listening to some refreshing drumming, but I won't precisely complain if I *just* happen to like the album or his drumming..

He also said he is CONSTANTLY playing, in various bands of various genres, and while he doesn't spend hours and hours on that new paradiddle, he does keep his chops fresh. 

Frankly, I STILL hear stuff from Mike that makes me go "WTF?", even if it isn't because it's superhuman.   The pattern in the pre-chorus and chorus of The Storm is as special as anything he's put out, in my opinion. 

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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #855 on: August 02, 2017, 02:47:56 PM »
Lars Ulrich is actually much better nowadays than he was in the DM slump. People need to get off that cirklejerk.

I haven't heard him play live lately but thank you for that disturbing image.

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« Reply #856 on: August 02, 2017, 02:49:34 PM »
Lars Ulrich is actually much better nowadays than he was in the DM slump. People need to get off that cirklejerk.

I haven't heard him play live lately but thank you for that disturbing image.

He was pretty bad when I saw them in NJ earlier this year.  Even my non musical friend kept saying that Metallica was very sloppy.  Didn't ruin the show or anything, but the criticism is there for a reason.

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« Reply #857 on: August 02, 2017, 04:54:51 PM »
From MP's forum:
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But what to call the next great supergroup? “Derek was mainly the one behind the name,” says Portnoy. “I have a list that I keep on my phone of about a hundred different band names, which I constantly have to refer to every time I have a new band every year (laughs). So, I pulled up the list and Apollo was one of the names on the list. It was a word that both of us really liked. We started fiddling with different variations of the word. One of the original band names we were working with was Apollo Creed, the character from the ‘Rocky’ movies, but after lots of different discussions on different variations, Derek suggested SONS OF APOLLO and it seemed to stick. Apollo is the God of Music so with that in mind it seemed like a fitting name.”


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« Reply #859 on: August 02, 2017, 05:19:32 PM »


Unless it's trademarked, that guy is shit out of luck.
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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #860 on: August 02, 2017, 05:24:24 PM »
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.


The obvious question there is, can those who buy this album live with the fact that a portion of Sheehan's earning are likely going to Tom Cruise? :lol :lol

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« Reply #861 on: August 02, 2017, 05:39:11 PM »
Well, strictly speaking, a retweet without any explanation does on its face mean, "I agree."  And, by extension, if there isn't any explanation carving out any part of it that isn't agreed with, that means agreement with the whole thing.  But, yeah, "People get lazy on social media," as in regular speech.  So I think you are still correct that we shouldn't necessarily assume something negative, especially if there isn't a pattern as there is with certain other people that are the topic of discussion in this thread.

Yeah that's pretty much my thought as well. A retweet to me without anything else is full agreement of the original tweet. But like you said, there is no pattern of this with DS, in fact he's been really great with addressing his time in DT publicly since he was fired.

Yes, I agree. DS has been very cool. Probably just a one off moment.

Maybe not. (In reply to Mike's Tweet saying it's been 20 years since he was in a band with Derek)
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« Reply #862 on: August 02, 2017, 05:42:06 PM »
Why would he say it has been 20 years when it has only been 18?  Are we rounding up now?  It has been 10 years since Neal Morse Band's last record!!! :lol

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« Reply #863 on: August 02, 2017, 08:18:20 PM »
I asked to Ron Thal on Facebook:
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« Reply #864 on: August 03, 2017, 04:59:09 AM »
Watched the live debut clip yesterday, got me even more excited for the project!

Soto sounds great live, but what struck me is the fact that Ron Thal can sing!

With Soto, Sheehan and Thal, I'm not at all worried about the singing department of Sons of Apollo!

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« Reply #865 on: August 03, 2017, 05:15:53 AM »
Yeah, the live clip was awesome! I like their chemistry, and I really like how animated on stage they all are.  :tup
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« Reply #866 on: August 03, 2017, 06:06:39 AM »
1) Sherinian as a music in his solo album Black Utopia called Sons of Anu, don't know if there's any relation with Sons of Apollo.

2) Psychotic Symphony --> PS --> Portnoy Sherinian

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« Reply #867 on: August 03, 2017, 07:01:04 AM »
1) Sherinian as a music in his solo album Black Utopia called Sons of Anu, don't know if there's any relation with Sons of Apollo.

2) Psychotic Symphony --> PS --> Portnoy Sherinian
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« Reply #868 on: August 03, 2017, 07:15:14 AM »
My only doubt about this group is about Bumblefoot. I only heard about him when he was in GNR, and my only thoughts were "what a silly name". I don't know anything else about his career, or if he's on the same level as the other guys.

For the rest of the band:
- MP is my favorite prog drummer. I really hope this band takes off and he can focus on it.
- Derek is awesome and i think he's the main composer here (which is good, because his solo albuns are very prog metal and are very good).
- Billy Sheehan is a great bass player and showman. He definetely got the chops to play with the rest of the guys. He wouldn't be my choice because he's done lots of other things with MP in the last years. I would love to see a guy like Mike LePond here (or Symphony X's first bass player, Thomas Miller, that would be a dream), but ok, can't complain about Billy.
- JSS is an incredible singer that can sing metalqprog/har rock/pop...you name it. Very happy that he's the choice.

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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #869 on: August 03, 2017, 07:34:51 AM »


Unless it's trademarked, that guy is shit out of luck.

Yeah, and if it's the same band I saw the link to - trying and failing miserably to do a passable "Echoes" by Floyd - then he certainly knows "crap", because he's been delivering it for 10 years.  :)

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« Reply #870 on: August 03, 2017, 08:55:50 AM »
I agree about Mike Lepond, he is a fantastic bass player and songwriter. His solo album "Silent Assassins" is a metal masterpiece!  He is not the original bass player for Symphony X, but he's been with them for most of their catalogue up until now.
 He would be a good fit in Mike Portnoy's group for sure, even though I seriously doubt they can top Mike Leponds Silent Assassins album.
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« Reply #871 on: August 03, 2017, 09:04:04 AM »
20 Years?

when did Mike and Derek last play with PSMS?

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« Reply #872 on: August 03, 2017, 10:25:23 AM »
20 Years?

when did Mike and Derek last play with PSMS?

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« Reply #873 on: August 03, 2017, 10:46:04 AM »
I agree about Mike Lepond, he is a fantastic bass player and songwriter. His solo album "Silent Assassins" is a metal masterpiece!  He is not the original bass player for Symphony X, but he's been with them for most of their catalogue up until now.
 He would be a good fit in Mike Portnoy's group for sure, even though I seriously doubt they can top Mike Leponds Silent Assassins album.

That is an awesome album!!  :metal
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Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
« Reply #874 on: August 03, 2017, 10:59:52 AM »
With Soto, Sheehan and Thal, I'm not at all worried about the singing department of Sons of Apollo!

I can imagine something like this happening:

MP: Guys, I know all of you sing very well and are much better vocalsits than me, but I really feel we should add some grows on this section, you know. I can make it work out, don't worry.

*15 mins later

ROOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH

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It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."