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« Reply #455 on: March 30, 2017, 04:18:59 AM »
this might be the case, for some reason i prefer to hear the hi-hats sounds in the section. and also mentioned in the comments section about the deccabons:

What exactly are you saying about how Mangini played the toms and octobans? Look at these footages.

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« Reply #456 on: April 01, 2017, 12:22:58 PM »
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

Interesting point. I've certainly overlooked that much of the time.

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« Reply #457 on: April 02, 2017, 12:15:33 AM »
this might be the case, for some reason i prefer to hear the hi-hats sounds in the section. and also mentioned in the comments section about the deccabons:

What exactly are you saying about how Mangini played the toms and octobans? Look at these footages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyo0dQegGW8

He can do that with ease if he wants to.

Holy crap!  Not only is Mike in top form, but the whole band is.  That might be my personal favorite version of Constant Motion.  I don't think they've played that in America since Portnoy was in the band, right? Man, they need to bring it back. 

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« Reply #458 on: April 02, 2017, 12:36:05 AM »
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

Interesting point. I've certainly overlooked that much of the time.

MP has said numerous times that he has locked in with other instruments during a live show. I think he said it a couple of times during DVD commentaries.

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« Reply #459 on: April 02, 2017, 12:39:00 AM »
But not bass. I think he said he doesn't have the bass in his personal mix.
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« Reply #460 on: April 02, 2017, 12:49:23 AM »
I know he said JP for sure.

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« Reply #461 on: April 02, 2017, 11:14:55 AM »
Yeah, MP made several comments in interviews and commentaries that his in ear mix with DT was pretty much mostly JP, with a lot of his (MPs) vocals, and a little JR, JM, and James basically as guides.

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« Reply #462 on: April 05, 2017, 12:48:39 PM »
Interesting.  That somewhat seems counterintuitive at first blush, but makes sense when you think about it.  Drums typically accent what is going on with the lead instruments and vocals, so the drummer needs to be able to hear and follow what they are doing.  Bass typically locks in with and accents drums, not vice versa, so the drummer doesn't necessarily really need to hear what the bass is doing for the most part. 
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« Reply #463 on: April 05, 2017, 01:18:19 PM »
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
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« Reply #464 on: April 05, 2017, 01:25:03 PM »
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
That is true.  But the bass generally follows the drums.  The drums do not usually follow the bass.  So the bassist definitely needs to have the drums high in her personal mix to follow them, but the drummer does not necessarily need to have the bass.
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« Reply #465 on: April 05, 2017, 01:27:21 PM »
Well, I'm sure MP could hear JM in his ears, it's just a matter of how loud. His comments always seemed to imply JP's guitar was louder than JM's bass.

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« Reply #466 on: April 05, 2017, 01:44:49 PM »
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.

The drums do not need to follow the bass, necessarily. The drums are usually the 'boss' so to speak, in a band and thus they make the rhythm, not follow the rest of the band. In a live setting the bass guitar is also not a convenient instrument to listen to when trying to follow the song (low frequencies aren't easy to follow, especially in a live setting) which is why the guitars on the monitors might be preferred. Contrary to what you are writing, I know more drummers that prefer to hear guitars, than those who to have bass on the monitors, including the drummer in my band.
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« Reply #467 on: April 05, 2017, 02:41:24 PM »
When I played drums, I always wanted to hear what my bass player was doing.

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« Reply #468 on: April 05, 2017, 02:43:33 PM »
When I played drums, I always wanted to hear what my bass player was doing.

Kotow's songs were really technical and sometimes I even had to count in my head some parts as we were doing two time signatures at once...

Hearing the bass was crucial !

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« Reply #469 on: April 05, 2017, 02:44:15 PM »
You can always tell when a drummer and bass player don't feed off each other.
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Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
« Reply #470 on: April 05, 2017, 02:49:49 PM »
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.
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« Reply #471 on: April 05, 2017, 03:12:18 PM »
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.

And Myung has been a lot more communicative since MP quit.

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« Reply #472 on: April 05, 2017, 03:26:27 PM »
I guess it depends on the type of music you play.
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« Reply #473 on: April 05, 2017, 03:33:08 PM »
I guess if the AC/DC drummer listened to a lot of Cliff Williams - he'd fall asleep. :p

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« Reply #474 on: April 05, 2017, 05:11:45 PM »
I wonder if this supergroup is a manifestation of this sentiment that Mike aired in an interview last year:

http://noisefull.com/interviews/mike-portnoy

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« Reply #475 on: April 05, 2017, 09:18:47 PM »
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.

And Myung has been a lot more communicative since MP quit.

Yes. He improved it to, "I'm feeling VERY spooky."

I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
That is true.  But the bass generally follows the drums.  The drums do not usually follow the bass.  So the bassist definitely needs to have the drums high in her personal mix to follow them, but the drummer does not necessarily need to have the bass.

Generally, yes. But not many bassists, like Myung, will sometimes double the lead. I thought I read/heard that MP used to follow JP more than the bass and JM followed JR more. I could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure that was said at some point. Obviously it's not MP anymore but it's something to think about. 

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« Reply #476 on: April 06, 2017, 08:14:21 AM »
MY OPINOIN ONLY:   You can teach people to play bass (Fripp famously taught Boz Burrell to play because he needed a bass player as well as a singer; Sid Vicious), but I have an adage:

There are no "great" bands that don't have a "great" drummer.   A drummer can make a good band great, but a band can't make a good drummer great. 

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« Reply #477 on: April 06, 2017, 08:14:53 AM »
Generally, yes. But not many bassists, like Myung, will sometimes double the lead. I thought I read/heard that MP used to follow JP more than the bass and JM followed JR more. I could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure that was said at some point. Obviously it's not MP anymore but it's something to think about. 

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.  Again, to me, it makes perfect sense.  Having your own personal mix how you want it onstage is such an individual thing.  The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me that a lot of drummers would want the bass pretty low in their own mix.  As a singer who drums a little, I think about my own, and how different they would be in each of those roles.  As a singer, I want primarily guitar and vocals.  If I can't hear what the primary instrument, the guitar is doing, I can't necessarily tell where we are in the song and can't tell if I am in key.  I also need to hear myself clearly so I know if I am in key and so that I don't unconsciously push too hard by thinking I am low in the mix, and thereby tiring my voice out.  Drums come next, but lower in the mix.  As a drummer, I want the lead instruments front and center.  I am laying down the beat, so they mostly follow me.  But I need to know when and how to accent in order to drive the songs, and I can't do that unless I can hear the leads.  Hearing the bass too high in the mix is not only unnecessary, but would be detrimental if it interferes with me more easily picking out the leads.  Again, others may feel differently, but that's my preference.
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Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
« Reply #478 on: April 06, 2017, 08:20:27 AM »
Sounds like Billy Sheehan might be the bassist for Portnoy's new progressive metal supergroup, according to Richie Kotzen.  So that means we could have four band members identified: Portnoy, Sherinian, Bumblefoot and Sheehan.

Link: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/

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Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
« Reply #479 on: April 06, 2017, 08:27:21 AM »
I certainly didn't get the same response while reading that article.  Sad the Winery Dogs are going on hiatus.  I mean, I assumed they would due to other projects but definitely didn't want a multiple year break.  Cool they have a blu ray coming out though  :metal

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« Reply #480 on: April 06, 2017, 08:29:13 AM »
Sounds like Billy Sheehan might be the bassist for Portnoy's new progressive metal supergroup, according to Richie Kotzen.  So that means we could have four band members identified: Portnoy, Sherinian, Bumblefoot and Sheehan.

Link: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/

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I didn't at ALL get that.   Portnoy has his things but Billy Sheehan is reportedly doing a new Mr. Big record.

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« Reply #481 on: April 06, 2017, 08:34:32 AM »
That's how I read it as well Stads. I'd be really surprised if Billy is in the new band.

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« Reply #482 on: April 06, 2017, 08:57:50 AM »
That's how I read it as well Stads. I'd be really surprised if Billy is in the new band.

It actually sounded like Billy was upset WD are taking a break.  He says he believes in being a band, not a project.  That makes me think he is less likely to be apart of this new supergroup because I feel it's more likely to end up as a project than an ongoing band.  Just my feeling on this since it is being labelled a supergroup.

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« Reply #483 on: April 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM »
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.
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« Reply #484 on: April 06, 2017, 10:01:30 AM »
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.

Hey, not at all saying you're wrong, just that I read it a different way.  And you're 100% right with that last point: we'll find out, won't we!

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« Reply #485 on: April 06, 2017, 10:06:48 AM »
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.

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« Reply #486 on: April 21, 2017, 10:51:52 PM »
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403

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« Reply #487 on: April 21, 2017, 10:57:09 PM »
I am not surprised :lol
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« Reply #488 on: April 22, 2017, 05:14:24 AM »
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403

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Of course they are. And the organisation hasn't heard a note of what they're playing, I presume. Wow.
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« Reply #489 on: April 23, 2017, 12:57:56 PM »
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403

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Of course they are. And the organisation hasn't heard a note of what they're playing, I presume. Wow.

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